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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 19 Jan 22 10.02am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The fact that you believe something does not make it true. You seem to have an ongoing problem distinguishing between fact and your opinion.

The idea that you think that when you brand something as a 'conspiracy theory' it therefore cannot be true, displays your never ending capacity for illogic.

I didn't say it was true. All I said was I base my opinions on facts and observation and I reach them myself.

Of course conspiracy theories CAN be true. I have yet to see one that is though. The point is that they are just theories, often very wild and improbable in character. They are not based on fact, but on someone's imagination. That though does stop people accepting them as fact, almost always because of their own bias and prejudice. They want them to be true. Just read Infowars and listen to those who believe it's nonsense to understand that.

The way that some people are completely convinced that the BBC has a left leaning bias is hard evidence of this, just as nothing will convince them they are wrong is evidence of their own bias and prejudice.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 Jan 22 10.14am

Ask many years if ago and they’d be upset the BBC wasn’t going to be funded by the licence fee. Opinions have now changed, as will the BBC.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 19 Jan 22 11.03am

What does the BBC stand for today:

Whether the BBC is bias is a circular argument I think it is others don't. So leaving aside that issue what exactly does the BBC stand for.

Most of the BBC's output is now geared to rating and entertainment e.g. reality TV, soaps, drama and cheap TV (makeover of houses / gardens). All of this stuff is available on other channels or streams so why be forced to pay a licence fee for it.

The World Service does a good job but is funded by the government not the Licence so a tick for the Beeb but nothing to do with the Licence fee.

BBC News 24. A 24 hour a day news channel that nobody watches and costs 100ms of pounds. Should be scrapped.

BBC News a highly fragmented dysfunctional service . Multiple BBC crews from different parts of the organisation cover the same news story, ITV had the same issue decades ago and decided to create ITN which was a single organisation which the other parts of ITV and now even some non ITV companies pay. Regardless of bias it is a bloated inefficient service that employs 6000 people. They need to do an ITN.

Children's TV. I don't watch it but I assume the Beeb does a good job with the 2 channels.

National Radio. They are commercial radio channels in all but name nothing that other channels don't do so should be sold off.

Local radio. A joke as their is very little local about them, mainly DJ's doing talks shows about national events or playing music available on other stations. They have actually stifled competition as commercial local radio doesn't really exist because of this. As it is not really local the whole network should be scrapped people may miss their favourite host but they wont miss the local content.

Education. A massive failure of the BBC is to educate. I have said this before the BBC should have a dedicated education channel covering the cradle to the grave. Instead they have dumbed down and scrapped in the name of ratings.

Sport. The BBC should have a dedicated sports channel so when they do cover sports events which is rarely these days they can at least cover it properly, who can forget Playschool whilst Graham Good scored 300. They may not be able to afford football but other sports are available.

Arts. Another failure they should have a dedicated channel like Sky Arts.

Diversity. The BBC now spends hundreds of millions on diversity most of which seems to be on bureaucrats rather than programming.
Completely unnecessary red tape jobs for the boys or is that non gender specific. Diversity is the responsibility of HR and every manager not a separate department. Scrap the dedicated departments.

Diversity 2. In amongst all this largess for diversity one group is completely ignored the BBC's most loyal fan base, pensioners. The DG has even confirmed that the BBC does not have any specific programming for them, how stupid is that piss off your most loyal customers. Talking Pictures is a channel aimed at that group and has been incredibly successful the BBC should take note. They could for example turn BBC 2 from 6am to 6pm as the oldies channel, lets face it nobody watches BBC 2 during the daytime.

Summary
I admit I want the licence fee scrapped an other option would be to reduce it to about £50 and to focus on the stuff that commercial channels don't cover.

As for what the BBC stands for today its a bloated bureaucracy failing to meets its core customer base, I would think Lord Reith would be spinning in his grave.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 19 Jan 22 11.17am

Originally posted by Badger11

What does the BBC stand for today:

Whether the BBC is bias is a circular argument I think it is others don't. So leaving aside that issue what exactly does the BBC stand for.

Most of the BBC's output is now geared to rating and entertainment e.g. reality TV, soaps, drama and cheap TV (makeover of houses / gardens). All of this stuff is available on other channels or streams so why be forced to pay a licence fee for it.

The World Service does a good job but is funded by the government not the Licence so a tick for the Beeb but nothing to do with the Licence fee.

BBC News 24. A 24 hour a day news channel that nobody watches and costs 100ms of pounds. Should be scrapped.

BBC News a highly fragmented dysfunctional service . Multiple BBC crews from different parts of the organisation cover the same news story, ITV had the same issue decades ago and decided to create ITN which was a single organisation which the other parts of ITV and now even some non ITV companies pay. Regardless of bias it is a bloated inefficient service that employs 6000 people. They need to do an ITN.

Children's TV. I don't watch it but I assume the Beeb does a good job with the 2 channels.

National Radio. They are commercial radio channels in all but name nothing that other channels don't do so should be sold off.

Local radio. A joke as their is very little local about them, mainly DJ's doing talks shows about national events or playing music available on other stations. They have actually stifled competition as commercial local radio doesn't really exist because of this. As it is not really local the whole network should be scrapped people may miss their favourite host but they wont miss the local content.

Education. A massive failure of the BBC is to educate. I have said this before the BBC should have a dedicated education channel covering the cradle to the grave. Instead they have dumbed down and scrapped in the name of ratings.

Sport. The BBC should have a dedicated sports channel so when they do cover sports events which is rarely these days they can at least cover it properly, who can forget Playschool whilst Graham Good scored 300. They may not be able to afford football but other sports are available.

Arts. Another failure they should have a dedicated channel like Sky Arts.

Diversity. The BBC now spends hundreds of millions on diversity most of which seems to be on bureaucrats rather than programming.
Completely unnecessary red tape jobs for the boys or is that non gender specific. Diversity is the responsibility of HR and every manager not a separate department. Scrap the dedicated departments.

Diversity 2. In amongst all this largess for diversity one group is completely ignored the BBC's most loyal fan base, pensioners. The DG has even confirmed that the BBC does not have any specific programming for them, how stupid is that piss off your most loyal customers. Talking Pictures is a channel aimed at that group and has been incredibly successful the BBC should take note. They could for example turn BBC 2 from 6am to 6pm as the oldies channel, lets face it nobody watches BBC 2 during the daytime.

Summary
I admit I want the licence fee scrapped an other option would be to reduce it to about £50 and to focus on the stuff that commercial channels don't cover.

As for what the BBC stands for today its a bloated bureaucracy failing to meets its core customer base, I would think Lord Reith would be spinning in his grave.

Spot on.

 


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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 19 Jan 22 12.12pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You just love trawling through my posts nit-picking to try to find a little mud to throw. It's a real obsession. Don't you have anything useful to do?

The truth here is that I was responding to the suggestion that the licence fee equated to a tax, when it isn't. It's a ring-fenced fee.

That part of the BBC's revenue comes from taxation, via the government, to support the BBC World Service is certainly true, as it that it gets revenue from its commercial businesses.

I seldom trawl through your posts but in this case I remembered your pomposity and decided to act.

Do you have nothing better to do than being a pompous bore?

The truth here is your inconsistency to suit your narrative is pitiful. The posting equivalent of tailoring evidence.

Edited by HKOwen (19 Jan 2022 12.13pm)

 


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Grumbles 19 Jan 22 3.11pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Davie is a Wisbech Eagle's 'conservative' and that isn't a conservative.

They conserve nothing of traditional conservative values.

They are only interested in conserving their bank account levels.

I have nothing against fiscal common sense....however, that alone does not a conservative make.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jan 2022 9.56pm)

Do you know Tim?

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 19 Jan 22 3.19pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Ask many years if ago and they’d be upset the BBC wasn’t going to be funded by the licence fee. Opinions have now changed, as will the BBC.

If our politics remain as they are then I fear you will be right. The downward spiral into populism doesn't appear to have reached the bottom yet. I think we will all have to suffer quite a lot more before the need for a revival of standards is capable of being sold as the way forward.

Then we need an inspirational, charismatic and transparently honest leader to emerge who can command the trust and respect of all, even those who disagree with them politically.

Much as I disliked much of her politics I respected Thatcher as a genuine leader who knew where she wanted to go, how to get there and possessed the determination not to be diverted. She knew emasculating the Unions was essential, so she did it. She knew we needed the EU but only on our terms, so she got them.

We need another real leader who wants to serve. Not any more opportunists seeking office for the glory.


 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 19 Jan 22 3.45pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

I seldom trawl through your posts but in this case I remembered your pomposity and decided to act.

Do you have nothing better to do than being a pompous bore?

The truth here is your inconsistency to suit your narrative is pitiful. The posting equivalent of tailoring evidence.

Edited by HKOwen (19 Jan 2022 12.13pm)

The real truth is all you ever do is post personal insults, trawled up by an over active imagination.

With the utmost respect you need to read things more carefully before firing off both barrels.

There is a lot of pheasant shooting around here. I suspect you with a shotgun would frighten more flies than pheasants.

I would like to be responding to your opinion on the BBC, but cannot, as your comment is just a personal attack.

If you find my presence here so distasteful please just ignore my posts. I won't mind in the least.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 19 Jan 22 4.08pm

Removed. Computer foul up posted a duplicate.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (19 Jan 2022 4.10pm)

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 19 Jan 22 5.55pm


To me trouble with the BBC isn’t necessarily political bias in their news reporting but the fact that almost all their programming is of zero interest.
The same goes for ITV but we don’t have to pay for that.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 Jan 22 6.50pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


To me trouble with the BBC isn’t necessarily political bias in their news reporting but the fact that almost all their programming is of zero interest.
The same goes for ITV but we don’t have to pay for that.

The dramas are pretty good. I’m. I’m not into period dramas but they’re apparently excellent. Where the dramas produced by these companies and producers would go, if there are any buyers, would be interesting. Most of the itv dramas are absolute sh1te. Things like ‘The Bay’ and other low brow dramas with basic scripts and cr&ppy dialogue. Watch most of them and you’d like the hours wasted refunded to you.

 


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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 19 Jan 22 11.27pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The real truth is all you ever do is post personal insults, trawled up by an over active imagination.

With the utmost respect you need to read things more carefully before firing off both barrels.

There is a lot of pheasant shooting around here. I suspect you with a shotgun would frighten more flies than pheasants.

I would like to be responding to your opinion on the BBC, but cannot, as your comment is just a personal attack.

If you find my presence here so distasteful please just ignore my posts. I won't mind in the least.

Arrogant pomposity such as yours needs to be called out and I shall do so when I see it, especially for self appointed arbiters of the truth.

Edited by HKOwen (19 Jan 2022 11.27pm)

 


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becky Flag over the moon 20 Jan 22 7.14am

Originally posted by HKOwen

Arrogant pomposity such as yours needs to be called out and I shall do so when I see it, especially for self appointed arbiters of the truth.

Edited by HKOwen (19 Jan 2022 11.27pm)

WE has as much right to be arrogantly pompous as you do to be argumentative.

Please confine your comments to the post subject matter - not the poster!

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 20 Jan 22 7.44am

Originally posted by becky

WE has as much right to be arrogantly pompous as you do to be argumentative.

Please confine your comments to the post subject matter - not the poster!

Well, WE is also argumentative.....In fact I'd say that is his main interest.

Anyone regularly reading his posts knows he is no saint, indeed I'd call him a deliberate troll who looks for reactions. Then when receiving them he cries victim whenever he is criticised. Apparently he can post at others who ask him to stop, yet he should be treated with the upmost respect.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jan 2022 7.46am)

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Jan 22 8.06am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


To me trouble with the BBC isn’t necessarily political bias in their news reporting but the fact that almost all their programming is of zero interest.
The same goes for ITV but we don’t have to pay for that.

Agree with all of this.

I know people think I am an anti BBC nutjob but the same applies for me with ITV and C4 I simply am not interested in their terrible programs but at least I don't have to pay for them.

 


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Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 20 Jan 22 8.21am

You Tube is the future and it is free. Loads of documentaries, old black and white films (which I love) and the occasional HD modern movie.

All the albums you could care for to download for free too.

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Jan 22 8.29am

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

You Tube is the future and it is free. Loads of documentaries, old black and white films (which I love) and the occasional HD modern movie.

All the albums you could care for to download for free too.

I think the future is already here the viewer becomes the broadcaster deciding when and what to watch.

I remember growing up having to watch stuff I didn't like because something good followed it, no more.

Today I don't watch live TV I record programmes of interest or I just stream. Most youngster don't even bother to record they just stream to their mobile devices.

Which magazine has stopped reviewing TV's under 35 inches, people either have a big TV 40-70 inch or they use a mobile device, there is no market for portable TV's.

Edited by Badger11 (20 Jan 2022 8.29am)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 20 Jan 22 9.38am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, WE is also argumentative.....In fact I'd say that is his main interest.

Anyone regularly reading his posts knows he is no saint, indeed I'd call him a deliberate troll who looks for reactions. Then when receiving them he cries victim whenever he is criticised. Apparently he can post at others who ask him to stop, yet he should be treated with the upmost respect.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jan 2022 7.46am)

As this post is, once again, making personal comments about me perhaps I can respond.

The issue is not about being argumentative. Many here are that, and express strong views forcibly. That's the essence of debate.

The issue is about the subject of those views. It's a fundamental principle of internet posting that you address the post and not the poster. This principle is enshrined in the rules of this site but, just like Johnson in No 10, some think that the rules don't apply to them.

I have no issue at all with criticism of my opinions. I do with personal criticism of my character and motivation.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 20 Jan 22 9.47am

Originally posted by Badger11

Agree with all of this.

I know people think I am an anti BBC nutjob but the same applies for me with ITV and C4 I simply am not interested in their terrible programs but at least I don't have to pay for them.

To be fair BBC4 has some interesting content, to me anyway, but even then there is a limit to how many David Bowie documentaries I can take.

 

Harborough Eagle Flag Market Harborough, Leicestershire 20 Jan 22 10.29am

Apart from all the boaters and caravan/motorhome owners as well as mobile homes.
Just spent the last few months trying to find a decent 28 inch smart tv with enough input for devices...there was only one choice in the end. There is a market for small tv's albeit not as popular as the large screen brigade.

Originally posted by Badger11

I think the future is already here the viewer becomes the broadcaster deciding when and what to watch.

I remember growing up having to watch stuff I didn't like because something good followed it, no more.

Today I don't watch live TV I record programmes of interest or I just stream. Most youngster don't even bother to record they just stream to their mobile devices.

Which magazine has stopped reviewing TV's under 35 inches, people either have a big TV 40-70 inch or they use a mobile device, there is no market for portable TV's.

Edited by Badger11 (20 Jan 2022 8.29am)

 


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