Iraq may not have been about oil, but it certainly wasn't about democracy. If it was, why did we ignore the first democratic vote which happened after Saddam was overthrown and instead put a puppet leader in charge?

Iraq was a war about private banks and infrastructure companies who wanted to open a new market, but thought the enemy would be far easier to defeat than they were.

Our support for the Saudis in Yemen is a good example of an oil-driven war. We also spend billions on protecting the Gulf States, who provide oil to Asian economies and are thus of incredible geopolitical importance. We continue to support regimes in Africa and South America who provide cheap oil but are creating instability in their regions. It is the basis of much of our financial markets too, which have been destroying our society for decades.

As for there not being a climate emergency: how? almost the entire scientific community is agreed on this. Where's your evidence?

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

Re-read what he wrote.....I'm not exactly sure what you expect....So we spend blood and money only to have a new government that doesn't work with us?

However, the expectation was never to be there long....and as W12 said...it was all naive and a misjudgement of middle eastern societies.

Pretty much what he said.

Yep, all done on supporting the lesser evil.....it's valid to criticise it but I've yet to hear better alternatives.

Al Gore claimed the same thing.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

True.....we need duel policies on cleaner emissions...I say nuclear, you say green, but as long as the outcome is the same.....and we need heavy investment on technologies.

We also need population reduction outside of Europe whose native population is reducing naturally....but common sense like that just makes you a villain in a superhero movie.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Let's not go round in circles, I've covered that.

Native European numbers are going down naturally.
Native Europeans are only 1 out of 9 people on the planet.

Our lifestyle is what other nations wish to copy....and probably why you buggered off to Germany rather than 'nuke' yourself.

As non European countries become better developed the sheer size of their populations will make Europe's emissions pale into insignificance......Your anti white attitudes are kind of besides the point.

What would I do about the third and developing world?....I'd do what China did and limit them to one child. Possibly sterilisation....I don't know I'm not being paid to provide the answers but it's hardly rocket science.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Im not a labour supporter (SNP for what its worth) but Corbyn is there for one reason, the public keep voting for him!
People keep talking about getting rid of him but ultimately, the voters are the ones who keep him there.

He has blown a lot of goodwill by being nothing at all when it comes to Brexit but outside of that, he has energised the young, has a lot of old ideas that genuinely feel new again and more importantly he is not trying to turn Labour into the cool conservatives.

I wouldn't vote for him, but the good he has done should not be overlooked.

What, I didn't realise he was in power. As people keep voting for him - he shouldn't be worried about a general election.

Red and Blue Army!

There are low birth rates of Europeans. Not even replacing our own populations. Ireland has the highest European birth rate I believe at just over 2 per couple. I don't believe any others get to two. Any replacement population is currently made of immigrants and children of recent immigrants even in countries such as Ireland.

Red and Blue Army!