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cryrst The garden of England 27 Sep 19 8.04pm
Originally posted by dollardays It's hard to argue against humans playing a role in climate change and almost all other environment issues. There's been far more money from the oil industry thrown at rubbishing climate change research than there ever will be in the opposite direction. It's immensely rational long term to 'go green' whether it's renewable or even nuclear, and current methods of energy consumption look archaic in real time. As has been said by others though, getting the whole world on board with such a thing starts to enter pipe dream territory. Depending on how drastic the situation became I could even see a future where there are wars as result of energy policy. The planet will always readjust though. 'Life goes on'. Edited by dollardays (27 Sep 2019 8.02pm) Your last line says it all. Until people understand this we will all be taken to the cleaners.

cryrst

The garden of England 27 Sep 19 8.04pm

Originally posted by dollardays

It's immensely rational long term to 'go green' whether it's renewable or even nuclear, and current methods of energy consumption look archaic in real time. As has been said by others though, getting the whole world on board with such a thing starts to enter pipe dream territory.

Depending on how drastic the situation became I could even see a future where there are wars as result of energy policy. The planet will always readjust though. 'Life goes on'.

Edited by dollardays (27 Sep 2019 8.02pm)

Your last line says it all.
Until people understand this we will all be taken to the cleaners.

cryrst The garden of England 27 Sep 19 8.46pm
This girl is mentally ill Her mother said so. Why oh why are they exploiting her. I guess a meal ticket might be top of the agenda.

cryrst

The garden of England 27 Sep 19 8.46pm

This girl is mentally ill
Her mother said so.
Why oh why are they exploiting her.
I guess a meal ticket might be top of the agenda.

Rubin 27 Sep 19 9.18pm
Originally posted by dollardays It's hard to argue against humans playing a role in climate change and almost all other environment issues. There's been far more money from the oil industry thrown at rubbishing climate change research than there ever will be in the opposite direction. It's immensely rational long term to 'go green' whether it's renewable or even nuclear, and current methods of energy consumption look archaic in real time. As has been said by others though, getting the whole world on board with such a thing starts to enter pipe dream territory. Depending on how drastic the situation became I could even see a future where there are wars as result of energy policy. The planet will always readjust though. 'Life goes on'. Edited by dollardays (27 Sep 2019 8.05pm) Not saying you're wrong, but have you got any evidence for this? I've no idea if big oil etc have funded any studies, and I'd be interested in finding out, and seeing what the outcome of the studies was. From the little bit of googling I've just done, it seems as though they have funded studies arguing against it up until 2007, but are now in fact funding the other side for various reasons. [Link] From what I've heard, the "97% of clitmate scientists" argument is mostly a result of the threat of the withdrawing of the funding of studies if agreeable results are not produced, meaning "if you don't give us the results we want, you won't be able to put food on your table or pay your mortgage". Completely agree with your second paragraph. Not accusing you of doing this, but one thing that often crops up is the people conflate 'man made climate change' with pollution, and if you question the former, accuse you of being in favour of the latter and 'big oil'. The issue however, is that none of the current renewable sources really cut the mustard. Solar panels barely pay off their carbon footprint before they need to be replaced, and wind turbines are unsightly, massively expensive, and their blades are currently being buried in the ground in some places. Nuclear does seem to be the way to go until they've developed better renewable sources. Edited by Rubin (27 Sep 2019 9.45pm)

Rubin

27 Sep 19 9.18pm

Originally posted by dollardays

It's hard to argue against humans playing a role in climate change and almost all other environment issues. There's been far more money from the oil industry thrown at rubbishing climate change research than there ever will be in the opposite direction.

It's immensely rational long term to 'go green' whether it's renewable or even nuclear, and current methods of energy consumption look archaic in real time. As has been said by others though, getting the whole world on board with such a thing starts to enter pipe dream territory.

Depending on how drastic the situation became I could even see a future where there are wars as result of energy policy. The planet will always readjust though. 'Life goes on'.

Edited by dollardays (27 Sep 2019 8.05pm)

Not saying you're wrong, but have you got any evidence for this? I've no idea if big oil etc have funded any studies, and I'd be interested in finding out, and seeing what the outcome of the studies was. From the little bit of googling I've just done, it seems as though they have funded studies arguing against it up until 2007, but are now in fact funding the other side for various reasons. [Link]

From what I've heard, the "97% of clitmate scientists" argument is mostly a result of the threat of the withdrawing of the funding of studies if agreeable results are not produced, meaning "if you don't give us the results we want, you won't be able to put food on your table or pay your mortgage".

Completely agree with your second paragraph. Not accusing you of doing this, but one thing that often crops up is the people conflate 'man made climate change' with pollution, and if you question the former, accuse you of being in favour of the latter and 'big oil'.

The issue however, is that none of the current renewable sources really cut the mustard. Solar panels barely pay off their carbon footprint before they need to be replaced, and wind turbines are unsightly, massively expensive, and their blades are currently being buried in the ground in some places. Nuclear does seem to be the way to go until they've developed better renewable sources.

Edited by Rubin (27 Sep 2019 9.45pm)

Mapletree Croydon 27 Sep 19 11.31pm
Originally posted by Rubin Not saying you're wrong, but have you got any evidence for this? I've no idea if big oil etc have funded any studies, and I'd be interested in finding out, and seeing what the outcome of the studies was. From the little bit of googling I've just done, it seems as though they have funded studies arguing against it up until 2007, but are now in fact funding the other side for various reasons. [Link] From what I've heard, the "97% of clitmate scientists" argument is mostly a result of the threat of the withdrawing of the funding of studies if agreeable results are not produced, meaning "if you don't give us the results we want, you won't be able to put food on your table or pay your mortgage". Completely agree with your second paragraph. Not accusing you of doing this, but one thing that often crops up is the people conflate 'man made climate change' with pollution, and if you question the former, accuse you of being in favour of the latter and 'big oil'. The issue however, is that none of the current renewable sources really cut the mustard. Solar panels barely pay off their carbon footprint before they need to be replaced, and wind turbines are unsightly, massively expensive, and their blades are currently being buried in the ground in some places. Nuclear does seem to be the way to go until they've developed better renewable sources. Edited by Rubin (27 Sep 2019 9.45pm) Your view of wind turbines seems at odds with what I have read. Here is a random example [Link]

Mapletree

Croydon 27 Sep 19 11.31pm

Originally posted by Rubin

Edited by Rubin (27 Sep 2019 9.45pm)

Your view of wind turbines seems at odds with what I have read.

Here is a random example

[Link]

.TUX. 27 Sep 19 11.39pm
Originally posted by dollardays It's hard to argue against humans playing a role in climate change and almost all other environment issues. There's been far more money from the oil industry thrown at rubbishing climate change research than there ever will be in the opposite direction. It's immensely rational long term to 'go green' whether it's renewable or even nuclear, and current methods of energy consumption look archaic in real time. As has been said by others though, getting the whole world on board with such a thing starts to enter pipe dream territory. Depending on how drastic the situation became I could even see a future where there are wars as result of energy policy. The planet will always readjust though. 'Life goes on'. Edited by dollardays (27 Sep 2019 8.05pm) I guess i missed that ad campaign. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

27 Sep 19 11.39pm

Originally posted by dollardays

It's hard to argue against humans playing a role in climate change and almost all other environment issues. There's been far more money from the oil industry thrown at rubbishing climate change research than there ever will be in the opposite direction.

Depending on how drastic the situation became I could even see a future where there are wars as result of energy policy. The planet will always readjust though. 'Life goes on'.

Edited by dollardays (27 Sep 2019 8.05pm)

I guess i missed that ad campaign.

Buy Litecoin.

cryrst The garden of England 28 Sep 19 6.48am
Originally posted by dollardays It's hard to argue against humans playing a role in climate change and almost all other environment issues. There's been far more money from the oil industry thrown at rubbishing climate change research than there ever will be in the opposite direction. It's immensely rational long term to 'go green' whether it's renewable or even nuclear, and current methods of energy consumption look archaic in real time. As has been said by others though, getting the whole world on board with such a thing starts to enter pipe dream territory. Depending on how drastic the situation became I could even see a future where there are wars as result of energy policy. The planet will always readjust though. 'Life goes on'. Edited by dollardays (27 Sep 2019 8.05pm) The first bit is a non argument though. All the other side have to do is tax us. The oil industry is in fact protecting all of us. It appears anyone who disagrees with the status quo and tries to put a counter discussion is shot down.

cryrst

The garden of England 28 Sep 19 6.48am

Originally posted by dollardays

Depending on how drastic the situation became I could even see a future where there are wars as result of energy policy. The planet will always readjust though. 'Life goes on'.

Edited by dollardays (27 Sep 2019 8.05pm)

The first bit is a non argument though.
All the other side have to do is tax us.
The oil industry is in fact protecting all of us.
It appears anyone who disagrees with the status quo and tries to put a counter discussion is shot down.

Stirlingsays 28 Sep 19 7.54am
It seems to me that a lot of the same people arguing for Greta and 'green energy' are the same kind of people arguing for open borders. There's a kind of cognitive dissonance which comes from thinking that climate change can be successfully reduced in any way whilst also having 8 or 9 billion people living American/European level lifestyles. Yet population reduction never seems to be on their menu. Some of us might start to think that there is an agenda here.... Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Sep 2019 7.55am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

28 Sep 19 7.54am

It seems to me that a lot of the same people arguing for Greta and 'green energy' are the same kind of people arguing for open borders.

There's a kind of cognitive dissonance which comes from thinking that climate change can be successfully reduced in any way whilst also having 8 or 9 billion people living American/European level lifestyles.

Yet population reduction never seems to be on their menu.

Some of us might start to think that there is an agenda here....

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Sep 2019 7.55am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Mapletree Croydon 28 Sep 19 8.52am
There are many on here who seem to enjoy being manipulated and lap up conspiracy theories I find this perfectly persuasive [Link]

Mapletree

Croydon 28 Sep 19 8.52am

There are many on here who seem to enjoy being manipulated and lap up conspiracy theories

I find this perfectly persuasive

[Link]

Stirlingsays 28 Sep 19 8.57am
Originally posted by Mapletree There are many on here who seem to enjoy being manipulated and lap up conspiracy theories I find this perfectly persuasive [Link] Sorry....I couldn't read your post for the din of sheep noises.....Baaaaa...Baaaaaaa. Her parents are far left political activists and the article just straight up pretends she just suddenly decided to get political. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Sep 2019 8.58am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

28 Sep 19 8.57am

Originally posted by Mapletree

There are many on here who seem to enjoy being manipulated and lap up conspiracy theories

I find this perfectly persuasive

[Link]

Sorry....I couldn't read your post for the din of sheep noises.....Baaaaa...Baaaaaaa.

Her parents are far left political activists and the article just straight up pretends she just suddenly decided to get political.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Sep 2019 8.58am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 28 Sep 19 9.14am
Funny how the BBC article just flat out doesn't mention certain realities about her parents that don't suit the narrative. But yeah...apparently I and others are the ones being manipulated. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Sep 2019 9.21am) Attachment: Greta_parents.JPG (109.41Kb) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

28 Sep 19 9.14am

Funny how the BBC article just flat out doesn't mention certain realities about her parents that don't suit the narrative.

But yeah...apparently I and others are the ones being manipulated.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Sep 2019 9.21am)

Attachment: Greta_parents.JPG (109.41Kb)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Mapletree Croydon 28 Sep 19 9.17am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Funny how the BBC article just flat out doesn't mention certain realities about her parents that don't suit the narrative. And this changes what? You have checked under your bed?

Mapletree

Croydon 28 Sep 19 9.17am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Funny how the BBC article just flat out doesn't mention certain realities about her parents that don't suit the narrative.

And this changes what?

You have checked under your bed?

Stirlingsays 28 Sep 19 9.20am
Originally posted by Mapletree And this changes what? You have checked under your bed? That the BBC article wasn't being honest about this girl's background. You spoke about manipulation yet you were happy to be persuaded by a soft focus piece that wasn't objective. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

28 Sep 19 9.20am

Originally posted by Mapletree

And this changes what?

You have checked under your bed?

That the BBC article wasn't being honest about this girl's background.

You spoke about manipulation yet you were happy to be persuaded by a soft focus piece that wasn't objective.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Mapletree Croydon 28 Sep 19 9.33am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays That the BBC article wasn't being honest about this girl's background. You spoke about manipulation yet you were happy to be persuaded by a soft focus piece that wasn't objective. Her parents and she wore an anti fascist t shirt once. It’s a recent photo, maybe it was she that persuaded them to wear the shirts. Should they be pro fascist or neutral then? Does that affect whether the weather is changing? I worry for the wethers. How does that change what she said in her interview. It must be tough to be so untrusting. When you are served a McDonald’s do you demand proof it’s beef? Do you fear bus drivers are out to kidnap you? Edited by Mapletree (28 Sep 2019 9.34am)

Mapletree

Croydon 28 Sep 19 9.33am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That the BBC article wasn't being honest about this girl's background.

You spoke about manipulation yet you were happy to be persuaded by a soft focus piece that wasn't objective.

Her parents and she wore an anti fascist t shirt once. It’s a recent photo, maybe it was she that persuaded them to wear the shirts.

Should they be pro fascist or neutral then? Does that affect whether the weather is changing? I worry for the wethers.

How does that change what she said in her interview. It must be tough to be so untrusting. When you are served a McDonald’s do you demand proof it’s beef? Do you fear bus drivers are out to kidnap you?

Edited by Mapletree (28 Sep 2019 9.34am)

YT Oxford 28 Sep 19 10.19am
Originally posted by Mapletree Her parents and she wore an anti fascist t shirt once. It’s a recent photo, maybe it was she that persuaded them to wear the shirts. Should they be pro fascist or neutral then? Does that affect whether the weather is changing? I worry for the wethers. How does that change what she said in her interview. It must be tough to be so untrusting. When you are served a McDonald’s do you demand proof it’s beef? Do you fear bus drivers are out to kidnap you? Edited by Mapletree (28 Sep 2019 9.34am) WTF are you talking about man? Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Oxford 28 Sep 19 10.19am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Her parents and she wore an anti fascist t shirt once. It’s a recent photo, maybe it was she that persuaded them to wear the shirts.

Should they be pro fascist or neutral then? Does that affect whether the weather is changing? I worry for the wethers.

Edited by Mapletree (28 Sep 2019 9.34am)

WTF are you talking about man?

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Mapletree Croydon 28 Sep 19 10.55am
Originally posted by YT WTF are you talking about man? Do keep up Conspiracy theories innit

Mapletree

Croydon 28 Sep 19 10.55am

Originally posted by YT

WTF are you talking about man?

Do keep up

Conspiracy theories innit

Teddy Eagle 28 Sep 19 11.06am
Originally posted by Mapletree Do keep up Conspiracy theories innit Who’s behind all these conspiracy theories? I think we should be told.

Teddy Eagle

28 Sep 19 11.06am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Do keep up

Conspiracy theories innit

Who’s behind all these conspiracy theories? I think we should be told.

YT Oxford 28 Sep 19 11.13am
Originally posted by Mapletree Do keep up Conspiracy theories innit Oh; right. My theory is that this Greta person is currently the most annoying person on the telly. Even more annoying than Gary Lineker and the shadow health secretary. Actually...to save you posting again, yes I know that's an opinion and not a theory. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Oxford 28 Sep 19 11.13am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Do keep up

Conspiracy theories innit

Oh; right.

My theory is that this Greta person is currently the most annoying person on the telly. Even more annoying than Gary Lineker and the shadow health secretary.

Actually...to save you posting again, yes I know that's an opinion and not a theory.

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Mapletree Croydon 28 Sep 19 11.46am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Funny how the BBC article just flat out doesn't mention certain realities about her parents that don't suit the narrative. But yeah...apparently I and others are the ones being manipulated. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Sep 2019 9.21am) Presumably you do know those T shirts aren't Antifa, which has a black and red flag logo. It's just a commercial T shirt. You'd look good in one, shall I buy one for you? [Link]

Mapletree

Croydon 28 Sep 19 11.46am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Funny how the BBC article just flat out doesn't mention certain realities about her parents that don't suit the narrative.

But yeah...apparently I and others are the ones being manipulated.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Sep 2019 9.21am)

Presumably you do know those T shirts aren't Antifa, which has a black and red flag logo. It's just a commercial T shirt. You'd look good in one, shall I buy one for you?

[Link]

Mapletree Croydon 28 Sep 19 11.49am
Originally posted by YT Oh; right. My theory is that this Greta person is currently the most annoying person on the telly. Even more annoying than Gary Lineker and the shadow health secretary. Actually...to save you posting again, yes I know that's an opinion and not a theory. But I am deeply worried that something is going on In Croydon people keep disappearing for hours and coming back in the dead of night strangely stupid. Of course, the question is would you with Greta's Mum (or Dad). [Link]

Mapletree

Croydon 28 Sep 19 11.49am

Originally posted by YT

Oh; right.

My theory is that this Greta person is currently the most annoying person on the telly. Even more annoying than Gary Lineker and the shadow health secretary.

Actually...to save you posting again, yes I know that's an opinion and not a theory.

But I am deeply worried that something is going on

In Croydon people keep disappearing for hours and coming back in the dead of night strangely stupid.

Of course, the question is would you with Greta's Mum (or Dad).

[Link]

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 28 Sep 19 12.24pm
I'm disappointed that Tom seems to be the only one who's introduced the 'would' or 'wouldn't' angle here. Very disappointing that so many people seem to have lost sight of what the HOL's all about. How DARE you. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 28 Sep 19 12.24pm

I'm disappointed that Tom seems to be the only one who's introduced the 'would' or 'wouldn't' angle here.

Very disappointing that so many people seem to have lost sight of what the HOL's all about.

How DARE you.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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