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Midlands Eagle 31 Oct 19 3.55pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow The whole point is to switch allegiances when it suits you, else democracy doesn’t really work, does it? Historically there have been dyed in the wool Conservative constituencies and equally dyed in the wool Labour constituencies and it's the remaining swing constituencies that decide the outcome of a General Election

Midlands Eagle

31 Oct 19 3.55pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

The whole point is to switch allegiances when it suits you, else democracy doesn’t really work, does it?

Historically there have been dyed in the wool Conservative constituencies and equally dyed in the wool Labour constituencies and it's the remaining swing constituencies that decide the outcome of a General Election

steeleye20 Croydon 31 Oct 19 4.04pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Historically there have been dyed in the wool Conservative constituencies and equally dyed in the wool Labour constituencies and it's the remaining swing constituencies that decide the outcome of a General Election By chance, living in Croydon central, my vote could actually matter. But throughout my adult life, living in Beckenham and Hove, my vote was always quite irrelevant. Safe tory majorities no matter what. Ridiculous system we need change.

steeleye20

Croydon 31 Oct 19 4.04pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

By chance, living in Croydon central, my vote could actually matter.

But throughout my adult life, living in Beckenham and Hove, my vote was always quite irrelevant.

Safe tory majorities no matter what.

Ridiculous system we need change.

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 31 Oct 19 4.11pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Historically there have been dyed in the wool Conservative constituencies and equally dyed in the wool Labour constituencies and it's the remaining swing constituencies that decide the outcome of a General Election I know; that doesn’t make it a sensible approach. Still no idea where my vote will go this time.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 31 Oct 19 4.11pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I know; that doesn’t make it a sensible approach.

Still no idea where my vote will go this time.

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 31 Oct 19 4.21pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 By chance, living in Croydon central, my vote could actually matter. But throughout my adult life, living in Beckenham and Hove, my vote was always quite irrelevant. Safe tory majorities no matter what. Ridiculous system we need change. There is, with every party in power, they just change the boundries. This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 31 Oct 19 4.21pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

By chance, living in Croydon central, my vote could actually matter.

But throughout my adult life, living in Beckenham and Hove, my vote was always quite irrelevant.

Safe tory majorities no matter what.

Ridiculous system we need change.

There is, with every party in power, they just change the boundries.

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

Hrolf The Ganger 31 Oct 19 4.33pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow You’ve been done an absolute kipper. You could at least get the saying right Albert. The only people being mugged off are people who believe that Labour will make everything better, which they have consistently failed to do every time they have been in government. This time it is even worse. They have a slippery old Marxist in charge who supports terrorists and denies his own principles and the will of the people to try and get power.

Hrolf The Ganger

31 Oct 19 4.33pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

You’ve been done an absolute kipper.

You could at least get the saying right Albert.

The only people being mugged off are people who believe that Labour will make everything better, which they have consistently failed to do every time they have been in government.
This time it is even worse. They have a slippery old Marxist in charge who supports terrorists and denies his own principles and the will of the people to try and get power.

YT Oxford 31 Oct 19 4.36pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 By chance, living in Croydon central, my vote could actually matter. But throughout my adult life, living in Beckenham and Hove, my vote was always quite irrelevant. Safe tory majorities no matter what. Ridiculous system we need change. So you think we need a hung parliament at every election then, and a permanent repeat of the last two and a half years. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Oxford 31 Oct 19 4.36pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

By chance, living in Croydon central, my vote could actually matter.

But throughout my adult life, living in Beckenham and Hove, my vote was always quite irrelevant.

Safe tory majorities no matter what.

Ridiculous system we need change.

So you think we need a hung parliament at every election then, and a permanent repeat of the last two and a half years.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 31 Oct 19 5.06pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You could at least get the saying right Albert. The only people being mugged off are people who believe that Labour will make everything better, which they have consistently failed to do every time they have been in government. This time it is even worse. They have a slippery old Marxist in charge who supports terrorists and denies his own principles and the will of the people to try and get power. I mean it’s probably fair to say if you think any political party will ‘make everything better’ you’re being mugged off.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 31 Oct 19 5.06pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You could at least get the saying right Albert.

The only people being mugged off are people who believe that Labour will make everything better, which they have consistently failed to do every time they have been in government.
This time it is even worse. They have a slippery old Marxist in charge who supports terrorists and denies his own principles and the will of the people to try and get power.

I mean it’s probably fair to say if you think any political party will ‘make everything better’ you’re being mugged off.

steeleye20 Croydon 31 Oct 19 5.12pm
Originally posted by YT So you think we need a hung parliament at every election then, and a permanent repeat of the last two and a half years. Actually yes, the government can't do as much harm to its citizens in a hung or minority parliament. As we have seen, it is forced into scrutiny of its policies and often redress of its past follies. That liberal leader, trying to get back into bed with the conservatives, has handed a free election to Johnson with a long tiresome as you were campaign. It won't even succeed for her either as obviously the tories will not be going into coalition with the libdem policy of revoking Article 50.

steeleye20

Croydon 31 Oct 19 5.12pm

Originally posted by YT

So you think we need a hung parliament at every election then, and a permanent repeat of the last two and a half years.

Actually yes, the government can't do as much harm to its citizens in a hung or minority parliament.

As we have seen, it is forced into scrutiny of its policies and often redress of its past follies.

That liberal leader, trying to get back into bed with the conservatives, has handed a free election to Johnson with a long tiresome as you were campaign.

It won't even succeed for her either as obviously the tories will not be going into coalition with the libdem policy of revoking Article 50.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Oct 19 5.16pm
Originally posted by becky It's amazing what people will put up with to ensure their inheritance..... just ask my godchildren! I'm leaving it all to the local animal shelter anyway,but don't tell them that.... I can assure you that my grandchildren all have minds of their own and are far from afraid of expressing them to me, or anyone else. We just happen to agree about Brexit but on other political matters not so much. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 31 Oct 19 5.16pm

Originally posted by becky

It's amazing what people will put up with to ensure their inheritance..... just ask my godchildren!

** I'm leaving it all to the local animal shelter anyway,but don't tell them that....**

I can assure you that my grandchildren all have minds of their own and are far from afraid of expressing them to me, or anyone else. We just happen to agree about Brexit but on other political matters not so much.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

chris123 hove actually 31 Oct 19 5.20pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 By chance, living in Croydon central, my vote could actually matter. But throughout my adult life, living in Beckenham and Hove, my vote was always quite irrelevant. Safe tory majorities no matter what. Ridiculous system we need change. Hove is normally Labour isn't it?

chris123

hove actually 31 Oct 19 5.20pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

By chance, living in Croydon central, my vote could actually matter.

But throughout my adult life, living in Beckenham and Hove, my vote was always quite irrelevant.

Safe tory majorities no matter what.

Ridiculous system we need change.

Hove is normally Labour isn't it?

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Oct 19 5.33pm
Originally posted by susmik Oh YES there is wissy we stay loyal to our party unlike you who switches allegiance when it suits you. If anything YOU are the odd one out with some of your really out of this world posts. I feel sorry for your children and grandchildren having to listen to your constant ramblings all the time. It's that kind of attitude that drives me to despair. Loyalty is a praiseworthy attribute. Blind loyalty is irresponsible. If any party changes it's approach to such a degree that to continue to support it would be to compromise your principles then you have no respectable choice other than to withdraw that support. You might as well just be a machine because you are not using your brain. The Tory party have morphed into UKIP and are on the way to Brexit light. They are no longer the party I supported when the likes of Macmillan, Heath, Heseltine, Clarke etc etc played leading roles. Imagine them lurching even further away to the right and becoming more and more authoritarian, sidelining Parliament, abolishing the fixed Parliament's Act so they could extend indefinitely their grip on power. I know it's unlikely at the moment but just imagine it. Would you, and Willo, go on blindly supporting them just because you are "loyal"? Don't you worry about my children and grandchildren. They are doing just fine and very, very rarely, if ever, do we discuss politics. If we do it's because they want to and then they lead the conversation. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (31 Oct 2019 5.34pm) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 31 Oct 19 5.33pm

Originally posted by susmik

Oh YES there is wissy we stay loyal to our party unlike you who switches allegiance when it suits you.
If anything YOU are the odd one out with some of your really out of this world posts. I feel sorry for your children and grandchildren having to listen to your constant ramblings all the time.

It's that kind of attitude that drives me to despair. Loyalty is a praiseworthy attribute. Blind loyalty is irresponsible. If any party changes it's approach to such a degree that to continue to support it would be to compromise your principles then you have no respectable choice other than to withdraw that support. You might as well just be a machine because you are not using your brain.

The Tory party have morphed into UKIP and are on the way to Brexit light. They are no longer the party I supported when the likes of Macmillan, Heath, Heseltine, Clarke etc etc played leading roles.

Imagine them lurching even further away to the right and becoming more and more authoritarian, sidelining Parliament, abolishing the fixed Parliament's Act so they could extend indefinitely their grip on power. I know it's unlikely at the moment but just imagine it.

Would you, and Willo, go on blindly supporting them just because you are "loyal"?

Don't you worry about my children and grandchildren. They are doing just fine and very, very rarely, if ever, do we discuss politics. If we do it's because they want to and then they lead the conversation.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (31 Oct 2019 5.34pm)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Oct 19 5.35pm
Originally posted by chris123 Hove is normally Labour isn't it? Indeed. Labour have won the seat in 6 out of the last 7 General Elections. Conservatives did win it in 2010.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Oct 19 5.35pm

Originally posted by chris123

Hove is normally Labour isn't it?

Indeed.
Labour have won the seat in 6 out of the last 7 General Elections.
Conservatives did win it in 2010.

cryrst The garden of England 31 Oct 19 5.39pm
Originally posted by Willo Absolutely. Corbyn has been nurdling on about staying in the 'Customs market ' and 'Single market' which is basically remaining in the EU and I believe he has also mentioned 'Confirmatory referendum' on his deal. What will the question be ? Remain or Remain !!!!! On that note, I now have to depart to meet up with my Tory chums for electioneering purposes! Edited by Willo (31 Oct 2019 9.40am) Early beers Gets my vote willo

cryrst

The garden of England 31 Oct 19 5.39pm

Originally posted by Willo

Absolutely.
Corbyn has been nurdling on about staying in the 'Customs market ' and 'Single market' which is basically remaining in the EU and I believe he has also mentioned 'Confirmatory referendum' on his deal. What will the question be ? Remain or Remain !!!!!

On that note, I now have to depart to meet up with my Tory chums for electioneering purposes!

Edited by Willo (31 Oct 2019 9.40am)

Early beers
Gets my vote willo

steeleye20 Croydon 31 Oct 19 5.53pm
Originally posted by Willo Indeed. Labour have won the seat in 6 out of the last 7 General Elections. Conservatives did win it in 2010. Really, I stand corrected. Shows my age, in my day it was unthinkable for it not to be conservative by a huge margin, probably been much changed since. it was like Torquay or Bournemouth.

steeleye20

Croydon 31 Oct 19 5.53pm

Originally posted by Willo

Indeed.
Labour have won the seat in 6 out of the last 7 General Elections.
Conservatives did win it in 2010.

Really, I stand corrected.

Shows my age, in my day it was unthinkable for it not to be conservative by a huge margin, probably been much changed since.

it was like Torquay or Bournemouth.

cryrst The garden of England 31 Oct 19 5.53pm
Originally posted by DanH So you would still vote for the Tories even if they made it policy that you, personally, had to suck off a different bloke every day for the rest of your life? Important that you clarify here. Umm I think the left would be absolutely disgusted with your thinking that is wrong. C'mon danh you know how the left roll. Everyone is a gender and it's their choice. BTW are you doing the cafe run yet? That promotion you were after!

cryrst

The garden of England 31 Oct 19 5.53pm

Originally posted by DanH

So you would *still* vote for the Tories even if they made it policy that you, personally, had to suck off a different bloke every day for the rest of your life?

Important that you clarify here.

Umm
I think the left would be absolutely disgusted with your thinking that is wrong.
C'mon danh you know how the left roll.
Everyone is a gender and it's their choice.
BTW are you doing the cafe run yet?
That promotion you were after!

chris123 hove actually 31 Oct 19 5.55pm
Originally posted by YT So you think we need a hung parliament at every election then, and a permanent repeat of the last two and a half years. Europe with largely proportional representation have this all the time. Italy as had over 60 since the war.

chris123

hove actually 31 Oct 19 5.55pm

Originally posted by YT

So you think we need a hung parliament at every election then, and a permanent repeat of the last two and a half years.

Europe with largely proportional representation have this all the time. Italy as had over 60 since the war.

Hrolf The Ganger 31 Oct 19 6.00pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow I mean it’s probably fair to say if you think any political party will ‘make everything better’ you’re being mugged off. One party mismanages and over spends whenever it is in power and now wants more ridiculous invalid referendums. Let's get Brexit done without any more unnecessary delay so we can get through the process. Corbyn is relying on the gullible young, ignorant and minority vote to be mug enough to let him get away with lying his way into No10 by blocking a democratic decision and promising stuff that he cannot deliver. This is the most self serving, cynical, untrustworthy Labour party ever.

Hrolf The Ganger

31 Oct 19 6.00pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I mean it’s probably fair to say if you think any political party will ‘make everything better’ you’re being mugged off.

One party mismanages and over spends whenever it is in power and now wants more ridiculous invalid referendums.
Let's get Brexit done without any more unnecessary delay so we can get through the process.

Corbyn is relying on the gullible young, ignorant and minority vote to be mug enough to let him get away with lying his way into No10 by blocking a democratic decision and promising stuff that he cannot deliver.

This is the most self serving, cynical, untrustworthy Labour party ever.

steeleye20 Croydon 31 Oct 19 6.28pm
Boris Johnson fled after a visit to Addenbrooke’s hospital today as angry staff, patients and NHS supporters booed. The tory media did not report his reception, just the visit.

steeleye20

Croydon 31 Oct 19 6.28pm

Boris Johnson fled after a visit to Addenbrooke’s hospital today as angry staff, patients and NHS supporters booed.

The tory media did not report his reception, just the visit.

georgenorman 31 Oct 19 6.49pm
I've noticed quite a few Labour supporters on the radio and on forums making excuses already as to why Labour will not win - usually it's down to the wicked Tory press.

georgenorman

31 Oct 19 6.49pm

I've noticed quite a few Labour supporters on the radio and on forums making excuses already as to why Labour will not win - usually it's down to the wicked Tory press.

Badger11 Beckenham 31 Oct 19 6.50pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Boris Johnson fled after a visit to Addenbrooke’s hospital today as angry staff, patients and NHS supporters booed. The tory media did not report his reception, just the visit. I hadn't realised that the Guardian had changed ownership. Seriously just had a quick look and could see nothing about this. Even if it's true so what? At the last election a group of momentum / Labour supporters followed the PM everywhere she went and staged impromptu protests. Hardly a surprise that people in the NHS tend to be Labour supporters. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 31 Oct 19 6.50pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Boris Johnson fled after a visit to Addenbrooke’s hospital today as angry staff, patients and NHS supporters booed.

The tory media did not report his reception, just the visit.

I hadn't realised that the Guardian had changed ownership. Seriously just had a quick look and could see nothing about this.

Even if it's true so what? At the last election a group of momentum / Labour supporters followed the PM everywhere she went and staged impromptu protests.

Hardly a surprise that people in the NHS tend to be Labour supporters.

One more point

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