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taylors lovechild Flag 22 Feb 21 11.24am

Unless we get new owners it is going to be very a much a case of finding a manager who can deliver some form of entertainment and points but on a relatively small budget. When you think that Bournemouth's net spend over the last 5 years is almost three times ours that does have to be considered when looking at Eddie. However, he seems the most obvious candidate if Parish wants to move in a new direction.

While I don't think Roy really understands why fans are unhappy, he is right that to crack the top 10 is really beyond our means at the moment. The current top 10 are all clubs who have spent hundreds of millions to get there, while all of the clubs in the bottom half have spent less (gross) than those in the top half. I have heard it said before that by and large the table reflects what you put in.

 

Putitout Flag Oxford 22 Feb 21 11.24am

Originally posted by Willo

In the likely event that we are relegated, we would not be able to get Howe to join the club.
Nigel Pearson is going to Bristol City as manager.

Edited by Willo (22 Feb 2021 11.15am)

That is a good fit I would think. And he could get that club firing on all cylinders again, in the Championship. If he gets a promotion, then his troubles return. Our problem, may be that most candidates for our job are of that standard, I suspect Howe , would be no better without money spent.

 

TheBigToePunt Flag 22 Feb 21 11.29am

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

I wonder what our Prem legacy would be if we get relegated? Lots of clubs have a shiny new ground, or stand, to half-fill after time in the Prem. I guess ours would have the be the academy, which we would no-doubt need to rely on more heavily if we went down.

Agreed, and also the training ground, which we bought quite early on with the promotion money although I think the deal was in the pipeline already.

I often think about the legacy of the Noades / Coppell era. I reckon it amounts to four main things:

Saving a dying club from going bust. And it would have done, no doubt.

The remarkable on-pitch memories. Just priceless, possibly never to be repeated let alone topped.

The Holmesdale and Whitehorse Lane end stands, and conversion of the Arthur to an all seater stand. If the value of the club to new owners or the bank you are in debt to is tied, at least in part, to the cost of making an old, 1980s football ground meet Taylor Report requirements, then where would we have been without the mid 90s redevelopments? Even when we didn't own the ground, we at least had secure tenure at a relatively modern ground compared to so many of our peers at that time.

Putting Palace back on the map and in people's minds locally, and to some extent, nationally. We seemed to have lost a generation of fans after the team of the 80s fell apart, and without the 1990 team, would we have started the new one, or got any of the older ones back?


If it all went wrong and we got relegated this season, CPFC 2010 would have saved the club (again), corrected decades of under investment and lost ground regarding the youth set up and training grounds, had our longest period in the top flight ever with plenty of great memories, and a steady growth in the commercial sides of the club as expected from a longer stay in the top flight.

Personally I'd reckon that if they can build the new stand (which as you say, we could all rattle around inside in the championship), and crucially if they stay at the helm and continue to run the business sustainably, ensuring the club exists for future generations, they would have more than topped the Noades era.

Anyway, back to Eddie Howe. Doubt he'd want to jump in now. He'd have nothing to gain and everything to lose.


Edited by TheBigToePunt (22 Feb 2021 11.46am)

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 22 Feb 21 11.56am

Originally posted by Den1923

We have to be so careful about changing the manager at this critical stage of the season, generally fans hounding managers out does not work and usually results in relegation and a downward spiral to league 1 or beyond. The facts are that Roy has kept us up for the past four years with the club spending very little on improving the team and in some cases it has extended contracts of players who have lost any ability they may have had or who are permanently injured. None of these problems are Roy's fault he has just got on with the job using the limited tools he has when other would have walked away a long while ago. The fallacy that having a class one academy is going to solve our problems is just not true, the facts are that one percent of potential players who enter at age 9 will then go on to make it to any professional level in football and again only 180 of the 1.5million playing organised youth football will go on make a career in football. Like it or not we have to invest substantially in this squad if we want to keep in the PL in the years ahead. this means the Americans will have to invest more of their huge wealth otherwise I cannot see, when the time comes that any half decent Manager would want a job that is doomed to failure.

What you say is fair to a point. But if we fail to score against Brighton and put in yet another inept performance similar to recent games whilst shipping yet more goals, the question that needs to be asked is, would another manager do any worse? Possibly, but a new manager lift may be needed just to survive this year.

IMO our problems have been building up for around 2 years now. This is obviously just my take on it and I don’t expect many, if any to agree and I don’t really care to be honest, however I blame the management structure from top to bottom for our current dilemma. The owners for not putting their hands in their pockets, the scouting team for not finding the right players to rejuvenate our squad, the coaches for perhaps pushing our elderly squad too hard in training hence the massive amount of training ground injuries and our manager for not pushing hard enough for new players and his bizarre selections, playing players out of position and failure to implement alternative tactics and timely substitutes during the course of a match. It just strikes me as being a set up that is in decline from top to bottom.

Some love to be dramatic and call this bed wetting or whatever petty juvenile insult they care to use stating our current points total as justification, however we are a team in steep decline and the bottom line is this.

1) We have a squad that is no longer fit for purpose in the PL.

2) We rely almost solely on one player to successfully attain points in a match and he will most likely leave this year.

3) We are told by many on here that due to FFP we have no money to invest. I am not sure of the truth in this but it certainly appears we have owners who are not willing to spend money.

4) We are top of the league for injuries and regularly appear towards the top of the league in this statistic.

5) We have a manager on £4.5m per annum who appears happy to plod along in the knowledge of all the above.

It all sounds very over the top doesn’t it, but where does it end? If we survive this year, which you would hope we will given the quality of other teams in the league, can anyone honestly see us staying in the PL next year without a total review of our playing staff and significant investment?

Happy for anyone to put a positive spin on anything I have mentioned. This is a discussion forum after all.

 

Den1923 Flag 22 Feb 21 12.07pm

Originally posted by Willo

In the likely event that we are relegated, we would not be able to get Howe to join the club.
Nigel Pearson is going to Bristol City as manager.

Edited by Willo (22 Feb 2021 11.15am)

Joey Barton has just been appointed!

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Feb 21 12.11pm

Originally posted by Den1923

Joey Barton has just been appointed!

Joey Barton has been appointed manager of Bristol Rovers not Bristol City.
Clint Hill is his assistant as he was at Fleetwood.

 

Putitout Flag Oxford 22 Feb 21 12.17pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

What you say is fair to a point. But if we fail to score against Brighton and put in yet another inept performance similar to recent games whilst shipping yet more goals, the question that needs to be asked is, would another manager do any worse? Possibly, but a new manager lift may be needed just to survive this year.

IMO our problems have been building up for around 2 years now. This is obviously just my take on it and I don’t expect many, if any to agree and I don’t really care to be honest, however I blame the management structure from top to bottom for our current dilemma. The owners for not putting their hands in their pockets, the scouting team for not finding the right players to rejuvenate our squad, the coaches for perhaps pushing our elderly squad too hard in training hence the massive amount of training ground injuries and our manager for not pushing hard enough for new players and his bizarre selections, playing players out of position and failure to implement alternative tactics and timely substitutes during the course of a match. It just strikes me as being a set up that is in decline from top to bottom.

Some love to be dramatic and call this bed wetting or whatever petty juvenile insult they care to use stating our current points total as justification, however we are a team in steep decline and the bottom line is this.

1) We have a squad that is no longer fit for purpose in the PL.

2) We rely almost solely on one player to successfully attain points in a match and he will most likely leave this year.

3) We are told by many on here that due to FFP we have no money to invest. I am not sure of the truth in this but it certainly appears we have owners who are not willing to spend money.

4) We are top of the league for injuries and regularly appear towards the top of the league in this statistic.

5) We have a manager on £4.5m per annum who appears happy to plod along in the knowledge of all the above.

It all sounds very over the top doesn’t it, but where does it end? If we survive this year, which you would hope we will given the quality of other teams in the league, can anyone honestly see us staying in the PL next year without a total review of our playing staff and significant investment?

Happy for anyone to put a positive spin on anything I have mentioned. This is a discussion forum after all.


As you are not far wrong on most counts. It’s not easy to have a positive response. The only thing I would say , is maybe it was cost effective to pay Hodgson 4.5 million , a year to retain a place in the Premier league. With all the restraints and problems attendant to a policy of spending very little on cheap, older , injury prone , players.
Let’s face it even when we do a deal for a promising youngster, he spends his first season on the table.
What I don’t see is who, there is out there that not only could, but would work in the conditions for anything less than 4.5 million a year.
It’s a negative outlook, outside of any positive to be had in clinging on.

 

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 22 Feb 21 12.34pm

Originally posted by Putitout


As you are not far wrong on most counts. It’s not easy to have a positive response. The only thing I would say , is maybe it was cost effective to pay Hodgson 4.5 million , a year to retain a place in the Premier league. With all the restraints and problems attendant to a policy of spending very little on cheap, older , injury prone , players.
Let’s face it even when we do a deal for a promising youngster, he spends his first season on the table.
What I don’t see is who, there is out there that not only could, but would work in the conditions for anything less than 4.5 million a year.
It’s a negative outlook, outside of any positive to be had in clinging on.


Eaglecoops has set it out as I basically see it and I take your point about the value in paying Hodgson what he's paid to achieve safety. Assuming, we survive again this season, the club will have earned several hundred million from being in the PL under Hodgson's tenure.

I have grave doubts Hodgson would be able to do it again next year given our current situation with players (Indeed, it will be a tall order for any incoming manager as well). Talk of a clear out and new man with fresh ideas and a new squad of much younger players is all well and good, but how long will it take to get that squad playing at a level that would enable us to keep our PL place?

I will be overjoyed if we are still in the PL come the 2022/23 season AND playing a more attractive style of football with a good balance of youth and experience. However, I'm not expecting that to be the case.

 

Den1923 Flag 22 Feb 21 12.50pm

Eaglecoops, agree with you entirely, what concerns me is the lack of investment in the team and the ground. The ground seems to be owned by Parish/Blitzer/Harris, therefore I guess it is leased back to the club, all charges on the ground seemed to have been paid off in 2015 and the remainder in 2018. In the unlikely event the club should fail (hope not!) once relegated, it seems possible that the owners above would still retain ownership of some very good south London real estate which would with planning permission would be a very valuable asset?. I guess the American would be interested in that more than this football club?

 

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Feb 21 1.41pm

Originally posted by Willo

Joey Barton has been appointed manager of Bristol Rovers not Bristol City.
Clint Hill is his assistant as he was at Fleetwood.

Nobody will mess with them.

 


Red and Blue Army!

southnorwoodhill Flag 22 Feb 21 1.54pm

Is Eddie Howe still in the running?

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 22 Feb 21 2.01pm

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Is Eddie Howe still in the running?

Celtic or Palace I reckon looking at all the journalists views. Who would you pick if you were Howe?

 

southnorwoodhill Flag 22 Feb 21 2.08pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Celtic or Palace I reckon looking at all the journalists views. Who would you pick if you were Howe?

This must be a trick question.

 

Gribbo Flag Bromley 22 Feb 21 2.23pm

Nice one Roy - having a pop at the fans for expecting too much. He is quoted comparing us to Charlton who were not happy with a top half finish and wanted more. Top half would be great Roy, a shot on target in 90 minutes would also be good, and sending out the players with some kind of desire would also lift the spirits.

Completely lost the plot old fella. Go now before you drag my club any further down for your £4.5m p.a. Shame your players don't have your balls coming out with this nonsense.

 

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 22 Feb 21 4.06pm

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

This must be a trick question.


Why? It depends on what kind of redemption he's wanting after last season. At Celtic he'll just have to beat Gerrard and Co. The rest of the league are pretty poor. He may want that for a couple of years but ultimately I reckon he'll want to be back in the PL with a big club. CPFC could provide a quicker route to the realization of that ambition if he can do something good with us. After all, he was being touted for the Arsenal job not too long ago because of his achievements with Bournemouth and his playing style.

 

Den1923 Flag 22 Feb 21 5.33pm

Originally posted by Gribbo

Nice one Roy - having a pop at the fans for expecting too much. He is quoted comparing us to Charlton who were not happy with a top half finish and wanted more. Top half would be great Roy, a shot on target in 90 minutes would also be good, and sending out the players with some kind of desire would also lift the spirits.

Completely lost the plot old fella. Go now before you drag my club any further down for your £4.5m p.a. Shame your players don't have your balls coming out with this nonsense.

I do understand where you are coming from, however Roy is not responsible for his own salary that has been agreed by Parish as is the contracts that have been extended on players who are always injured or who have just lost their skills. Then there is the lack of investment in a team largely inherited from other managers and the injury list that means his option are limited meaning he is left
with little option but to play players out of position or worse still those are just not good enough for this league. As the old saying goes "you cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear"

 

The Dolphin Flag 22 Feb 21 5.37pm

Roy Hodgson is not making the best of what he has not does he appear to be man managing them either.
New man asap please regardless of the result tonight

 

southnorwoodhill Flag 22 Feb 21 5.41pm

Originally posted by Den1923

I do understand where you are coming from, however Roy is not responsible for his own salary that has been agreed by Parish as is the contracts that have been extended on players who are always injured or who have just lost their skills. Then there is the lack of investment in a team largely inherited from other managers and the injury list that means his option are limited meaning he is left
with little option but to play players out of position or worse still those are just not good enough for this league. As the old saying goes "you cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear"

Pulis didn't do too bad with the Championship squad he inherited from Holloway. I note that Hodgson has yet to better Pulis' finish despite having four opportunities to do so and his so called "best squad".

 

SpyroCrystal 22 Feb 21 5.45pm

For me 1. Nuno Espirito
2. Benitez
3. Eddie Howe
4. Scott Parker (meant Parker not Pardew lol)
5. Bonus option Lampard.

No Gerrard no Terry no Viera no Dyche
And time to go Roy.

Edited by SpyroCrystal (22 Feb 2021 8.18pm)

 


Big up the Palace!!!!

AERO Flag 22 Feb 21 5.47pm

I am in the Roy out camp .But no way is any new manager is going to take this job on in our current situation. Unless its a temporary type Big Sam ,Pullis person.Might as well wait and do a proper job when season over .

 

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