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Originally posted by Willo
In the likely event that we are relegated, we would not be able to get Howe to join the club. Edited by Willo (22 Feb 2021 11.15am) That is a good fit I would think. And he could get that club firing on all cylinders again, in the Championship. If he gets a promotion, then his troubles return. Our problem, may be that most candidates for our job are of that standard, I suspect Howe , would be no better without money spent.
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
I wonder what our Prem legacy would be if we get relegated? Lots of clubs have a shiny new ground, or stand, to half-fill after time in the Prem. I guess ours would have the be the academy, which we would no-doubt need to rely on more heavily if we went down. Agreed, and also the training ground, which we bought quite early on with the promotion money although I think the deal was in the pipeline already. I often think about the legacy of the Noades / Coppell era. I reckon it amounts to four main things: Saving a dying club from going bust. And it would have done, no doubt. The remarkable on-pitch memories. Just priceless, possibly never to be repeated let alone topped. The Holmesdale and Whitehorse Lane end stands, and conversion of the Arthur to an all seater stand. If the value of the club to new owners or the bank you are in debt to is tied, at least in part, to the cost of making an old, 1980s football ground meet Taylor Report requirements, then where would we have been without the mid 90s redevelopments? Even when we didn't own the ground, we at least had secure tenure at a relatively modern ground compared to so many of our peers at that time. Putting Palace back on the map and in people's minds locally, and to some extent, nationally. We seemed to have lost a generation of fans after the team of the 80s fell apart, and without the 1990 team, would we have started the new one, or got any of the older ones back?
Personally I'd reckon that if they can build the new stand (which as you say, we could all rattle around inside in the championship), and crucially if they stay at the helm and continue to run the business sustainably, ensuring the club exists for future generations, they would have more than topped the Noades era. Anyway, back to Eddie Howe. Doubt he'd want to jump in now. He'd have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
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Originally posted by Den1923
We have to be so careful about changing the manager at this critical stage of the season, generally fans hounding managers out does not work and usually results in relegation and a downward spiral to league 1 or beyond. The facts are that Roy has kept us up for the past four years with the club spending very little on improving the team and in some cases it has extended contracts of players who have lost any ability they may have had or who are permanently injured. None of these problems are Roy's fault he has just got on with the job using the limited tools he has when other would have walked away a long while ago. The fallacy that having a class one academy is going to solve our problems is just not true, the facts are that one percent of potential players who enter at age 9 will then go on to make it to any professional level in football and again only 180 of the 1.5million playing organised youth football will go on make a career in football. Like it or not we have to invest substantially in this squad if we want to keep in the PL in the years ahead. this means the Americans will have to invest more of their huge wealth otherwise I cannot see, when the time comes that any half decent Manager would want a job that is doomed to failure. What you say is fair to a point. But if we fail to score against Brighton and put in yet another inept performance similar to recent games whilst shipping yet more goals, the question that needs to be asked is, would another manager do any worse? Possibly, but a new manager lift may be needed just to survive this year. IMO our problems have been building up for around 2 years now. This is obviously just my take on it and I don’t expect many, if any to agree and I don’t really care to be honest, however I blame the management structure from top to bottom for our current dilemma. The owners for not putting their hands in their pockets, the scouting team for not finding the right players to rejuvenate our squad, the coaches for perhaps pushing our elderly squad too hard in training hence the massive amount of training ground injuries and our manager for not pushing hard enough for new players and his bizarre selections, playing players out of position and failure to implement alternative tactics and timely substitutes during the course of a match. It just strikes me as being a set up that is in decline from top to bottom. Some love to be dramatic and call this bed wetting or whatever petty juvenile insult they care to use stating our current points total as justification, however we are a team in steep decline and the bottom line is this. 1) We have a squad that is no longer fit for purpose in the PL. 2) We rely almost solely on one player to successfully attain points in a match and he will most likely leave this year. 3) We are told by many on here that due to FFP we have no money to invest. I am not sure of the truth in this but it certainly appears we have owners who are not willing to spend money. 4) We are top of the league for injuries and regularly appear towards the top of the league in this statistic. 5) We have a manager on £4.5m per annum who appears happy to plod along in the knowledge of all the above. It all sounds very over the top doesn’t it, but where does it end? If we survive this year, which you would hope we will given the quality of other teams in the league, can anyone honestly see us staying in the PL next year without a total review of our playing staff and significant investment? Happy for anyone to put a positive spin on anything I have mentioned. This is a discussion forum after all.
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Originally posted by Willo
In the likely event that we are relegated, we would not be able to get Howe to join the club. Edited by Willo (22 Feb 2021 11.15am) Joey Barton has just been appointed!
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Originally posted by Den1923
Joey Barton has just been appointed! Joey Barton has been appointed manager of Bristol Rovers not Bristol City.
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
What you say is fair to a point. But if we fail to score against Brighton and put in yet another inept performance similar to recent games whilst shipping yet more goals, the question that needs to be asked is, would another manager do any worse? Possibly, but a new manager lift may be needed just to survive this year. IMO our problems have been building up for around 2 years now. This is obviously just my take on it and I don’t expect many, if any to agree and I don’t really care to be honest, however I blame the management structure from top to bottom for our current dilemma. The owners for not putting their hands in their pockets, the scouting team for not finding the right players to rejuvenate our squad, the coaches for perhaps pushing our elderly squad too hard in training hence the massive amount of training ground injuries and our manager for not pushing hard enough for new players and his bizarre selections, playing players out of position and failure to implement alternative tactics and timely substitutes during the course of a match. It just strikes me as being a set up that is in decline from top to bottom. Some love to be dramatic and call this bed wetting or whatever petty juvenile insult they care to use stating our current points total as justification, however we are a team in steep decline and the bottom line is this. 1) We have a squad that is no longer fit for purpose in the PL. 2) We rely almost solely on one player to successfully attain points in a match and he will most likely leave this year. 3) We are told by many on here that due to FFP we have no money to invest. I am not sure of the truth in this but it certainly appears we have owners who are not willing to spend money. 4) We are top of the league for injuries and regularly appear towards the top of the league in this statistic. 5) We have a manager on £4.5m per annum who appears happy to plod along in the knowledge of all the above. It all sounds very over the top doesn’t it, but where does it end? If we survive this year, which you would hope we will given the quality of other teams in the league, can anyone honestly see us staying in the PL next year without a total review of our playing staff and significant investment? Happy for anyone to put a positive spin on anything I have mentioned. This is a discussion forum after all.
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Originally posted by Putitout
I have grave doubts Hodgson would be able to do it again next year given our current situation with players (Indeed, it will be a tall order for any incoming manager as well). Talk of a clear out and new man with fresh ideas and a new squad of much younger players is all well and good, but how long will it take to get that squad playing at a level that would enable us to keep our PL place? I will be overjoyed if we are still in the PL come the 2022/23 season AND playing a more attractive style of football with a good balance of youth and experience. However, I'm not expecting that to be the case.
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Originally posted by Willo
Joey Barton has been appointed manager of Bristol Rovers not Bristol City. Nobody will mess with them.
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Is Eddie Howe still in the running?
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Originally posted by southnorwoodhill
Is Eddie Howe still in the running? Celtic or Palace I reckon looking at all the journalists views. Who would you pick if you were Howe?
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Celtic or Palace I reckon looking at all the journalists views. Who would you pick if you were Howe? This must be a trick question.
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Originally posted by southnorwoodhill
This must be a trick question.
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Originally posted by Gribbo
Nice one Roy - having a pop at the fans for expecting too much. He is quoted comparing us to Charlton who were not happy with a top half finish and wanted more. Top half would be great Roy, a shot on target in 90 minutes would also be good, and sending out the players with some kind of desire would also lift the spirits. Completely lost the plot old fella. Go now before you drag my club any further down for your £4.5m p.a. Shame your players don't have your balls coming out with this nonsense.
I do understand where you are coming from, however Roy is not responsible for his own salary that has been agreed by Parish as is the contracts that have been extended on players who are always injured or who have just lost their skills. Then there is the lack of investment in a team largely inherited from other managers and the injury list that means his option are limited meaning he is left
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Roy Hodgson is not making the best of what he has not does he appear to be man managing them either.
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Originally posted by Den1923
I do understand where you are coming from, however Roy is not responsible for his own salary that has been agreed by Parish as is the contracts that have been extended on players who are always injured or who have just lost their skills. Then there is the lack of investment in a team largely inherited from other managers and the injury list that means his option are limited meaning he is left Pulis didn't do too bad with the Championship squad he inherited from Holloway. I note that Hodgson has yet to better Pulis' finish despite having four opportunities to do so and his so called "best squad".
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