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Badger11 Beckenham 05 Dec 19 8.53am
So Corbyn was caught out in a lie it's quite clear he doesn't watch the Queens speech. [Link] I have to admit I don't either so does it matter? normally no. However Corbyn and Labour have made it a campaign issue that you can't trust Boris he is a liar and the public should trust Uncle Jeremy he's on your side and tells it as it is. And of course that's why it does matter, if you make character part of the election it does tend to rebound. Remember John Major and his "back to basics" the media loved showing up every lying and cheating Tory MP. Interestingly the New Statesmen a Labour publication to its roots has decided not to back Corbyn. You don't expect the Times to back him but when "your own" won't you are in trouble. "Unfit to be Prime Minister is pretty damming. Meanwhile Boris dodged a bullet with Trump who for once didn't put his foot in it over the election. I would imagine Boris will be relived it was noticeable how he swerved Trump at every opportunity probably petrified that Trump might "help" his campaigning. So for Boris it's steady as she goes over the next 7 days and just make sure the Tory vote gets out. As for Swinson she going down faster than the Titanic. That's the problem when you make the election about the leader rather than the party. She doesn't look like a winner more a whinger. This election was a great opportunity for Lib Dems to hoover up the Labour remain vote but they have blown it big time and they may have less MPs than the won in 2017, certainly less MPs than when parliament broke up. Still all to play for. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 05 Dec 19 8.53am

So Corbyn was caught out in a lie it's quite clear he doesn't watch the Queens speech.

[Link]

I have to admit I don't either so does it matter? normally no. However Corbyn and Labour have made it a campaign issue that you can't trust Boris he is a liar and the public should trust Uncle Jeremy he's on your side and tells it as it is.

And of course that's why it does matter, if you make character part of the election it does tend to rebound. Remember John Major and his "back to basics" the media loved showing up every lying and cheating Tory MP.

Interestingly the New Statesmen a Labour publication to its roots has decided not to back Corbyn. You don't expect the Times to back him but when "your own" won't you are in trouble. "Unfit to be Prime Minister is pretty damming.

Meanwhile Boris dodged a bullet with Trump who for once didn't put his foot in it over the election. I would imagine Boris will be relived it was noticeable how he swerved Trump at every opportunity probably petrified that Trump might "help" his campaigning.

So for Boris it's steady as she goes over the next 7 days and just make sure the Tory vote gets out.

As for Swinson she going down faster than the Titanic. That's the problem when you make the election about the leader rather than the party. She doesn't look like a winner more a whinger. This election was a great opportunity for Lib Dems to hoover up the Labour remain vote but they have blown it big time and they may have less MPs than the won in 2017, certainly less MPs than when parliament broke up.

Still all to play for.

One more point

Badger11 Beckenham 05 Dec 19 9.01am
Originally posted by W12 The fact that the Tories are not communists is almost the only good thing you can say about them. That doesn't apply to Labour, The Lib Fems, the fake Jocks, the unspellable Welsh or the Watermelons. There are plenty of parties that are not communist but are not getting any form of platform. What a mess. I was stuck in hospital yesterday had a nice chat with a follow patient who was of Nigerian origin and lives in a Labour stronghold. She shocked me when she said she voted Brexit and would be voting Tory because Labour are a bunch of liars. Only one person but at least this lady was doing her own thinking, which brings me to my point. Labour rely heavily on the immigrant vote and love to play racial politics but are they taking this group for granted. I have no evidence for this but I wonder if newly arrived vote Labour but as they establish themselves and start to move up the economic ladder maybe "some" decide they want to hold onto more of what they have earned, are they the shy Tories? One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 05 Dec 19 9.01am

Originally posted by W12

The fact that the Tories are not communists is almost the only good thing you can say about them. That doesn't apply to Labour, The Lib Fems, the fake Jocks, the unspellable Welsh or the Watermelons.

There are plenty of parties that are not communist but are not getting any form of platform.

What a mess.

I was stuck in hospital yesterday had a nice chat with a follow patient who was of Nigerian origin and lives in a Labour stronghold. She shocked me when she said she voted Brexit and would be voting Tory because Labour are a bunch of liars. Only one person but at least this lady was doing her own thinking, which brings me to my point.

Labour rely heavily on the immigrant vote and love to play racial politics but are they taking this group for granted. I have no evidence for this but I wonder if newly arrived vote Labour but as they establish themselves and start to move up the economic ladder maybe "some" decide they want to hold onto more of what they have earned, are they the shy Tories?

One more point

Rudi Hedman Caterham 05 Dec 19 9.38am
Originally posted by Badger11 I was stuck in hospital yesterday had a nice chat with a follow patient who was of Nigerian origin and lives in a Labour stronghold. She shocked me when she said she voted Brexit and would be voting Tory because Labour are a bunch of liars. Only one person but at least this lady was doing her own thinking, which brings me to my point. Labour rely heavily on the immigrant vote and love to play racial politics but are they taking this group for granted. I have no evidence for this but I wonder if newly arrived vote Labour but as they establish themselves and start to move up the economic ladder maybe "some" decide they want to hold onto more of what they have earned, are they the shy Tories? Yep. And drawing the drawbridge up on immigration. I have the same suspicion as you with most (successful) Jews in Britain, and Asians. I remember one Asian girl who you’d think was part of the US Tea Party politics. Answer. Have more immigration. Keep inviting more and more and more people. Lots of them. Open the doors to immigration even more, after plenty of your core vote told you not to. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 05 Dec 19 9.38am

Originally posted by Badger11

Yep. And drawing the drawbridge up on immigration. I have the same suspicion as you with most (successful) Jews in Britain, and Asians. I remember one Asian girl who you’d think was part of the US Tea Party politics.

Answer. Have more immigration. Keep inviting more and more and more people. Lots of them. Open the doors to immigration even more, after plenty of your core vote told you not to.

COYP

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 05 Dec 19 9.54am
Originally posted by cryrst Who has employees to pay after corbyn has taxed him naked. Some people just dont get how bad it will be under labour. I sort of accepted Blair and Miliband but these new breed are f***ing out there man. You’ve already admitted you don’t read manifestos and vote Tory every election regardless - how are you able to make predictions about how bad it will be under Labour? What Labour tax policies are you referring to above?

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 05 Dec 19 9.54am

Originally posted by cryrst

Who has employees to pay after corbyn has taxed him naked.
Some people just dont get how bad it will be under labour.
I sort of accepted Blair and Miliband but these new breed are f***ing out there man.

You’ve already admitted you don’t read manifestos and vote Tory every election regardless - how are you able to make predictions about how bad it will be under Labour? What Labour tax policies are you referring to above?

W12 05 Dec 19 10.24am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow You’ve already admitted you don’t read manifestos and vote Tory every election regardless - how are you able to make predictions about how bad it will be under Labour? What Labour tax policies are you referring to above? Unsurpringly there is very little in the Labour manifesto about tax but I found this summary: [Link] The main point here is that most of the tax rises here will hit the same people and those people are already paying the lions share of tax. A s*** load of them will just leave the UK and the tax rises will start to hit the middle and lower income workers. That's how socialism works (or doesn't)

W12 05 Dec 19 10.24am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Unsurpringly there is very little in the Labour manifesto about tax but I found this summary:

[Link]

The main point here is that most of the tax rises here will hit the same people and those people are already paying the lions share of tax.

A s*** load of them will just leave the UK and the tax rises will start to hit the middle and lower income workers.

That's how socialism works (or doesn't)

Badger11 Beckenham 05 Dec 19 10.38am
I'm borrowing a joke from Blackadder. The Labour Party manifesto is the great piece of fiction since the French included fidelity in the the marriage vows. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 05 Dec 19 10.38am

I'm borrowing a joke from Blackadder.

The Labour Party manifesto is the great piece of fiction since the French included fidelity in the the marriage vows.

One more point

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 05 Dec 19 10.57am
Originally posted by W12 Unsurpringly there is very little in the Labour manifesto about tax but I found this summary: [Link] The main point here is that most of the tax rises here will hit the same people and those people are already paying the lions share of tax. A s*** load of them will just leave the UK and the tax rises will start to hit the middle and lower income workers. That's how socialism works (or doesn't) We’ll see - I’m not against an increase in tax for higher earners as long as it’s managed properly. The super rich may well leave the country but that whole bracket of people earning around £80-100k a year aren’t going to up and run for the sake of a couple hundred quid a year. You don’t have to turn to pure socialism to re-dress the balance slightly, which is something I agree needs doing. Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (05 Dec 2019 10.58am)

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 05 Dec 19 10.57am

Originally posted by W12

Unsurpringly there is very little in the Labour manifesto about tax but I found this summary:

[Link]

The main point here is that most of the tax rises here will hit the same people and those people are already paying the lions share of tax.

A s*** load of them will just leave the UK and the tax rises will start to hit the middle and lower income workers.

That's how socialism works (or doesn't)

We’ll see - I’m not against an increase in tax for higher earners as long as it’s managed properly. The super rich may well leave the country but that whole bracket of people earning around £80-100k a year aren’t going to up and run for the sake of a couple hundred quid a year.

You don’t have to turn to pure socialism to re-dress the balance slightly, which is something I agree needs doing.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (05 Dec 2019 10.58am)

W12 05 Dec 19 11.17am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow We’ll see - I’m not against an increase in tax for higher earners as long as it’s managed properly. The super rich may well leave the country but that whole bracket of people earning around £80-100k a year aren’t going to up and run for the sake of a couple hundred quid a year. You don’t have to turn to pure socialism to re-dress the balance slightly, which is something I agree needs doing. Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (05 Dec 2019 10.58am) "that whole bracket of people earning around £80-100k a year aren’t going to up and run for the sake of a couple hundred quid a year" Yeah, f* the people who are working their arses off and already pay £40% tax. Let them pay for more immigrants while watching their country go to s*.

W12 05 Dec 19 11.17am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

You don’t have to turn to pure socialism to re-dress the balance slightly, which is something I agree needs doing.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (05 Dec 2019 10.58am)

"that whole bracket of people earning around £80-100k a year aren’t going to up and run for the sake of a couple hundred quid a year"

Yeah, f*** the people who are working their arses off and already pay £40% tax. Let them pay for more immigrants while watching their country go to s***.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Dec 19 11.33am
Originally posted by W12 "that whole bracket of people earning around £80-100k a year aren’t going to up and run for the sake of a couple hundred quid a year" Yeah, f* the people who are working their arses off and already pay £40% tax. Let them pay for more immigrants while watching their country go to s*. These sentiments strike a chord with many people. But of course the wealth creators, billionaires,free market economies, and the USA etc etc are anathema to those on the left. In terms of taxation, 4 million fewer people pay tax now than they did in 2010 and 2.4 million will be exempt from NI tax as a result of the proposed changes to the NI thresholds.Lower-paid workers have and will continue to benefit from Conservative policies. Edited by Willo (05 Dec 2019 11.34am)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Dec 19 11.33am

Originally posted by W12

"that whole bracket of people earning around £80-100k a year aren’t going to up and run for the sake of a couple hundred quid a year"

Yeah, f*** the people who are working their arses off and already pay £40% tax. Let them pay for more immigrants while watching their country go to s***.

These sentiments strike a chord with many people.
But of course the wealth creators, billionaires,free market economies, and the USA etc etc are anathema to those on the left.

In terms of taxation, 4 million fewer people pay tax now than they did in 2010 and 2.4 million will be exempt from NI tax as a result of the proposed changes to the NI thresholds.Lower-paid workers have and will continue to benefit from Conservative policies.

Edited by Willo (05 Dec 2019 11.34am)

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 05 Dec 19 11.59am
Originally posted by Willo These sentiments strike a chord with many people. But of course the wealth creators, billionaires,free market economies, and the USA etc etc are anathema to those on the left. In terms of taxation, 4 million fewer people pay tax now than they did in 2010 and 2.4 million will be exempt from NI tax as a result of the proposed changes to the NI thresholds.Lower-paid workers have and will continue to benefit from Conservative policies. Edited by Willo (05 Dec 2019 11.34am) Genuine question; how does one become so loyal to a party that they will defend the party line, without question or challenge, on any issue across the board? I’ve never come close to feeling like that. Do you not disagree with the Tories on anything? Do you have to pretend Boris is honest and trustworthy to justify voting for them?

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 05 Dec 19 11.59am

Originally posted by Willo

These sentiments strike a chord with many people.
But of course the wealth creators, billionaires,free market economies, and the USA etc etc are anathema to those on the left.

Edited by Willo (05 Dec 2019 11.34am)

Genuine question; how does one become so loyal to a party that they will defend the party line, without question or challenge, on any issue across the board? I’ve never come close to feeling like that.

Do you not disagree with the Tories on anything? Do you have to pretend Boris is honest and trustworthy to justify voting for them?

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 05 Dec 19 12.03pm
Originally posted by W12 "that whole bracket of people earning around £80-100k a year aren’t going to up and run for the sake of a couple hundred quid a year" Yeah, f* the people who are working their arses off and already pay £40% tax. Let them pay for more immigrants while watching their country go to s*. Who said that? All this claiming ‘the top 5%’ are going to up and leave is pure fearmongering nonsense.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 05 Dec 19 12.03pm

Originally posted by W12

"that whole bracket of people earning around £80-100k a year aren’t going to up and run for the sake of a couple hundred quid a year"

Yeah, f*** the people who are working their arses off and already pay £40% tax. Let them pay for more immigrants while watching their country go to s***.

Who said that?

All this claiming ‘the top 5%’ are going to up and leave is pure fearmongering nonsense.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Dec 19 12.11pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Genuine question; how does one become so loyal to a party that they will defend the party line, without question or challenge, on any issue across the board? I’ve never come close to feeling like that. Do you not disagree with the Tories on anything? Do you have to pretend Boris is honest and trustworthy to justify voting for them? I don't have to pretend at all. Boris Johnson has just been questioned about "Trust" by Philip Schofield and he provided a response in his usual articulate way.I totally agree with the arguments he articulated. In actual fact, whever he is questioned/interrogated on this matter his answers have been in the 'Verisimilitude' category. During this campaign I have spoke to those across the political spectrum and nobody has broached the subject of 'Trust' in respect of Johnson. Edited by Willo (05 Dec 2019 12.19pm)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Dec 19 12.11pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Do you not disagree with the Tories on anything? Do you have to pretend Boris is honest and trustworthy to justify voting for them?

I don't have to pretend at all.
Boris Johnson has just been questioned about "Trust" by Philip Schofield and he provided a response in his usual articulate way.I totally agree with the arguments he articulated.
In actual fact, whever he is questioned/interrogated on this matter his answers have been in the 'Verisimilitude' category.

During this campaign I have spoke to those across the political spectrum and nobody has broached the subject of 'Trust' in respect of Johnson.

Edited by Willo (05 Dec 2019 12.19pm)

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 05 Dec 19 12.18pm
Originally posted by Willo I don't have to pretend at all. Boris Johnson has just been questioned about "Trust" by Philip Schofield and he provided a response in his usual articulate way.I totally agree with the arguments he articulated. During this campaign I have spoke to those across the political spectrum and nobody has broached the subject of 'Trust' in respect of Johnson. Like talking to a robot.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 05 Dec 19 12.18pm

Originally posted by Willo

During this campaign I have spoke to those across the political spectrum and nobody has broached the subject of 'Trust' in respect of Johnson.

Like talking to a robot.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Dec 19 12.21pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Like talking to a robot. Some have used similar sentiments in relation to 'Yours truly'. And of course some might conclude that my responses on HOL enter this category.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Dec 19 12.21pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Like talking to a robot.

Some have used similar sentiments in relation to 'Yours truly'.
And of course some might conclude that my responses on HOL enter this category.

W12 05 Dec 19 12.34pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Who said that? All this claiming ‘the top 5%’ are going to up and leave is pure fearmongering nonsense. I earn more than £80k and anyone who wants more tax from me can f*** off. Edited by W12 (05 Dec 2019 12.45pm)

W12 05 Dec 19 12.34pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Who said that?

All this claiming ‘the top 5%’ are going to up and leave is pure fearmongering nonsense.

I earn more than £80k and anyone who wants more tax from me can f*** off.

Edited by W12 (05 Dec 2019 12.45pm)

Mapletree Croydon 05 Dec 19 12.53pm
Originally posted by Willo I don't have to pretend at all. Boris Johnson has just been questioned about "Trust" by Philip Schofield and he provided a response in his usual articulate way.I totally agree with the arguments he articulated. In actual fact, whever he is questioned/interrogated on this matter his answers have been in the 'Verisimilitude' category. During this campaign I have spoke to those across the political spectrum and nobody has broached the subject of 'Trust' in respect of Johnson. Edited by Willo (05 Dec 2019 12.19pm) That can only be because it's a moot question. Everyone knows Johnson can't be trusted with anything or anyone (female)

Mapletree

Croydon 05 Dec 19 12.53pm

Originally posted by Willo

During this campaign I have spoke to those across the political spectrum and nobody has broached the subject of 'Trust' in respect of Johnson.

Edited by Willo (05 Dec 2019 12.19pm)

That can only be because it's a moot question. Everyone knows Johnson can't be trusted with anything or anyone (female)

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Dec 19 1.00pm
Originally posted by Mapletree That can only be because it's a moot question. Everyone knows Johnson can't be trusted with anything or anyone (female) A sweeping generalisation far removed from the reality.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Dec 19 1.00pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

That can only be because it's a moot question. Everyone knows Johnson can't be trusted with anything or anyone (female)

A sweeping generalisation far removed from the reality.

Invalid user 2019 05 Dec 19 1.06pm
Originally posted by Willo I don't have to pretend at all. Boris Johnson has just been questioned about "Trust" by Philip Schofield and he provided a response in his usual articulate way.I totally agree with the arguments he articulated. In actual fact, whever he is questioned/interrogated on this matter his answers have been in the 'Verisimilitude' category. During this campaign I have spoke to those across the political spectrum and nobody has broached the subject of 'Trust' in respect of Johnson. Edited by Willo (05 Dec 2019 12.19pm) Move over Frost vs Nixon.. it's Schofield vs Johnson It's a shame he was the only one to dodge the Andrew Neil interview, but from a strategic and polling point of view I can understand why. It's coasting mode, and he doesn't want to accidentally put his foot in it when it's his to lose.

Invalid user 2019

05 Dec 19 1.06pm

Originally posted by Willo

I don't have to pretend at all.
Boris Johnson has just been questioned about "Trust" by Philip Schofield and he provided a response in his usual articulate way.I totally agree with the arguments he articulated.
In actual fact, whever he is questioned/interrogated on this matter his answers have been in the 'Verisimilitude' category.

During this campaign I have spoke to those across the political spectrum and nobody has broached the subject of 'Trust' in respect of Johnson.

Edited by Willo (05 Dec 2019 12.19pm)

Move over Frost vs Nixon.. it's Schofield vs Johnson

It's a shame he was the only one to dodge the Andrew Neil interview, but from a strategic and polling point of view I can understand why. It's coasting mode, and he doesn't want to accidentally put his foot in it when it's his to lose.

Ghostship Norfolk 05 Dec 19 1.07pm
If I had a pound for everyone I have spoken to who have said they will emigrate if Corbyn gets in then I don't think I would ever need to work again. I am not talking about rich people here as I don't know any this is just your average middle of the road bloke/woman and it's not just due to tax rises. Anyway I think that scenario is highly unlikely to happen thankfully and by this time next week we will have heard the last about that old Marxist

Ghostship

Norfolk 05 Dec 19 1.07pm

If I had a pound for everyone I have spoken to who have said they will emigrate if Corbyn gets in then I don't think I would ever need to work again. I am not talking about rich people here as I don't know any this is just your average middle of the road bloke/woman and it's not just due to tax rises.

Anyway I think that scenario is highly unlikely to happen thankfully and by this time next week we will have heard the last about that old Marxist

Stirlingsays 05 Dec 19 1.15pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Who said that? All this claiming ‘the top 5%’ are going to up and leave is pure fearmongering nonsense. Well a percent of them will, which is disastrous. Government needs policies that result in creating more of them....Which means policies that encourage people to work hard because it's in their personal self interest to do so. You need policies that encourage investment not discourage it. Socialism is fundamentally anti self interest. It's one of the main reasons it fails......It only works as a moral pressure within society......When it actually runs one it ruins it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

05 Dec 19 1.15pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Who said that?

All this claiming ‘the top 5%’ are going to up and leave is pure fearmongering nonsense.

Well a percent of them will, which is disastrous.

Government needs policies that result in creating more of them....Which means policies that encourage people to work hard because it's in their personal self interest to do so.

You need policies that encourage investment not discourage it.

Socialism is fundamentally anti self interest.

It's one of the main reasons it fails......It only works as a moral pressure within society......When it actually runs one it ruins it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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