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legaleagle Flag 12 May 17 6.47pm

Originally posted by elgrande

And what's more I certainly won't be bullied by the over represented "left" on this forum.

Over represented "left"?!!!


So a ratio of 3 righties for every lefty (being conservative) is over representation for the left for you...blimey.

 

elgrande Flag bedford 12 May 17 6.56pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Over represented "left"?!!!


So a ratio of 3 righties for every lefty (being conservative) is over representation for the left for you...blimey.

Ok I will rephrase that......(I don't believe those numbers) . Shall we say the always know best brigade and anyone who disagrees with their views are idiots and ignorant.....which has been said only these boards before.

How does that sound ...better.

 


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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 12 May 17 7.39pm

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

I'm a swing voter if anybody can answer the question I had earlier or, if they can't, explain to me how the only thing that matters isn't the vast government debt and our trade whopping deficits?

People get really involved in the `operational' side of politics: should we privatize the NHS, should we ban Johnny Islam from our shores etc. etc. etc.

But I honestly don't get it, and it impedes my passion for the rest of politics. Why doesn't any debate have to be about our deficits at the start? If somebody can explain to me (and I'm being absolutely sincere here) why they're not by a country mile the most important detail, I will be genuinely grateful.

Yes, yes, I appreciate this shows me up to be a thicko.

Ginger, certainly not a thicko. Anyone who actually enters into the debate can be many things but certainly not a thicko.

I'm totally convinced I can persuade you on the economics at play in this election. I'm off tonight but will reply with data.

 

.TUX. Flag 12 May 17 7.46pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Ok I will rephrase that......(I don't believe those numbers) . Shall we say the always know best brigade and anyone who disagrees with their views are idiots and ignorant.....which has been said only these boards before.

How does that sound ...better.

TBF bud, anyone voting for pretty much more of the same again, despite it being to their detriment, could easily be classed as ''an idiot''.

 


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legaleagle Flag 12 May 17 7.58pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Ok I will rephrase that......(I don't believe those numbers) . Shall we say the always know best brigade and anyone who disagrees with their views are idiots and ignorant.....which has been said only these boards before.

How does that sound ...better.

Well,that's very big of you since you do tend to come across as the "my views know better than your views" type yourself at times or is the description only allowed to apply to those you don't agree with?

 

elgrande Flag bedford 12 May 17 8.07pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Well,that's very big of you since you do tend to come across as the "my views know better than your views" type yourself at times or is the description only allowed to apply to those you don't agree with?

Are you for real,I watch and take in.
And comment when I disagree with something or one.
I have never tried to belittle anyone on here...unlike yourself.
Not going to carry on because you are not worth getting a yellow card for.

 


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elgrande Flag bedford 12 May 17 8.10pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

TBF bud, anyone voting for pretty much more of the same again, despite it being to their detriment, could easily be classed as ''an idiot''.

Seems this is what pisses me off....how the f*** do you or anyone else know who or what I am voting for.

 


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.TUX. Flag 12 May 17 8.20pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Seems this is what pisses me off....how the f*** do you or anyone else know who or what I am voting for.

It sounds like you tend to be happier with settling for the same-old-same-old as being the way to go rather than trying something 'new' (which will also amount to the same-old-same-old but at least it'll be interesting and no more damaging than the s*** we've been through for roughly 80% of the time that we've been privileged with the vote).
Get yourself a San Mig and chill bud

 


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elgrande Flag bedford 12 May 17 8.34pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

It sounds like you tend to be happier with settling for the same-old-same-old as being the way to go rather than trying something 'new' (which will also amount to the same-old-same-old but at least it'll be interesting and no more damaging than the s*** we've been through for roughly 80% of the time that we've been privileged with the vote).
Get yourself a San Mig and chill bud

Ha ha sitting here with a coffee and annis..so close .
And as I said mate,people can assume what they want.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 May 17 8.55pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Over represented "left"?!!!


So a ratio of 3 righties for every lefty (being conservative) is over representation for the left for you...blimey.

To be fair 2 of the H's have slunk off.

 

legaleagle Flag 12 May 17 9.02pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Are you for real,I watch and take in.
And comment when I disagree with something or one.
I have never tried to belittle anyone on here...unlike yourself.
Not going to carry on because you are not worth getting a yellow card for.

For someone who apparently doesn't believe in belittling people,you've dome a fair bit of it just this very evening...perhaps get your own house in order before having a pop at others...

 

elgrande Flag bedford 12 May 17 9.06pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

For someone who apparently doesn't believe in belittling people,you've dome a fair bit of it just this very evening...perhaps get your own house in order before having a pop at others...

How the f*** have I belittled anyone,what by sticking up for myself,and not bowing to your every word.

Be have yourself, not agreeing and belittling are different things.
As I said I really don't want to engage with you anymore.
So go and bully someone else.

 


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legaleagle Flag 12 May 17 9.17pm

Originally posted by elgrande

How the f*** have I belittled anyone,what by sticking up for myself,and not bowing to your every word.

Be have yourself, not agreeing and belittling are different things.
As I said I really don't want to engage with you anymore.
So go and bully someone else.


Elgrande,up until this evening I thought you were ok and up for the craic, and read your posts with interest..But, if you now wish to cease engaging with me,it would be a pleasure...truly.

I or other "lefty" posters on here may (or may not) be as you suggest .But what is a constant source of amazement and amusement,is how blind those of you who pop at us are:you are no different but completely oblivious to it,you give it but can't take it...It could be felt by some that the only bullying-type behaviour on this thread this evening has been by your (not always so) good self.

Notwithstanding that, I still hope you get a seat on the train on Sunday.

Edited by legaleagle (12 May 2017 9.23pm)

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 May 17 9.58pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Where do you get off gusset trying to put words or even thoughts in my head.
I have said that "in principle" some of the policies are sensible.
How ever who or what I think have f*** all to do with you.

I make my own mind up about voting with out being led by either side.

So give it a rest.

You are being quite combative, in my view, unnecessarily.
I admire the fact that you concede that some of Labour's (draft) manifesto is good in principle. Others would be stubborn and not admit it because it isn't their side saying it.

I'm not sure I was putting words in your mouth as you say, I was pleased that I am putting thoughts in your head as it shows you are considering things more seriously than some would give you credit for.

The policies you say (earlier in the thread) are interesting are being labelled as hard left by sections of the media. Are they?

Edited by nickgusset (12 May 2017 10.00pm)

 

Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 12 May 17 10.02pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

1. It gives them the horn(by)
2. Don't know. As far as I know, franchises won't be renewed when they run out rather than paying them off.

Just like the Labour cabinet, you can't give any figures.

 

elgrande Flag bedford 12 May 17 10.08pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

You are being quite combative, in my view, unnecessarily.
I admire the fact that you concede that some of Labour's (draft) manifesto is good in principle. Others would be stubborn and not admit it because it isn't their side saying it.

I'm not sure I was putting words in your mouth as you say, I was pleased that I am putting thoughts in your head as it shows you are considering things more seriously than some would give you credit for.

The policies you say (earlier in the thread) are interesting are being labelled as hard left by sections of the media. Are they?


I would say re nationalization of the railways is quite hard left.
The utility companies not so much ( that is one I whole heartingly agree with).
Immigration,defence not so sure,( the latter I don't trust any of them with).

Edited by nickgusset (12 May 2017 10.00pm)

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 May 17 10.11pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Just like the Labour cabinet, you can't give any figures.

A prescient post not calling them a shadow cabinet.

 

elgrande Flag bedford 12 May 17 10.11pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

You are being quite combative, in my view, unnecessarily.
I admire the fact that you concede that some of Labour's (draft) manifesto is good in principle. Others would be stubborn and not admit it because it isn't their side saying it.

I'm not sure I was putting words in your mouth as you say, I was pleased that I am putting thoughts in your head as it shows you are considering things more seriously than some would give you credit for.

The policies you say (earlier in the thread) are interesting are being labelled as hard left by sections of the media. Are they?


And again I do not think I am being combative,if not agreeing with people is combative,then I give up.
There are people on here who have been a lot more "combative" than me ...on both the left and right.
Edited by nickgusset (12 May 2017 10.00pm)

 


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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 12 May 17 10.18pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

A prescient post not calling them a shadow cabinet.

Nice word "prescient". As Diane Abbot would say: "I mis-spoke". Of course I meant the shadow cabinet.

Edited by Penge Eagle (12 May 2017 10.18pm)

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 May 17 10.51pm

Originally posted by elgrande

And again I do not think I am being combative,if not agreeing with people is combative,then I give up.
There are people on here who have been a lot more "combative" than me ...on both the left and right.

It's a subjective view though, others will see it differently.

One thing I've been wondering, I keep hearing that Labour would allow unlimited immigration. Is there any evidence for this? Didn't immigration numbers go up over the past few years?

I think we can all agree that the disastrous forays into different conflicts, particularly Iraq, are a driver behind the rise in immigration as people flee the likes of ISIS (who it could be argued only came into being because of the power vacuum and disorder following the war).

talking of Prescient, watch this from 4 minutes in. [Link]

He wasn't wrong was he?

 

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