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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 May 17 3.11pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Piss awful project management from within. Millions wasted. They should have brought in an external consultancy to oversee the whole thing.

From a union friend.
Yesterday the NHS was victim of a massive cyber attack. A & E units were closed down, hospitals cancelled operations, patients were warned not to go to drop in clinics. The software used to attack the NHS was developed by the US National Security Agency, which is responsible for securing it against hacking. GCHQ had no comment. Jeremy Hunt the Secretary of State for Health commented, zzzzzzz nothing zzzzzz nothing. All of which was very reassuring. Meanwhile, our nuclear weapons codes are protected by systems and software that were developed by the United States National Security Agency. Phew, so that's alright. No threat of them being hacked. LOL


I thought the nuclear software was windows 2000

Edited by nickgusset (13 May 2017 3.12pm)

 

Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 13 May 17 3.12pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Regardless of your opinion on policies, the media have consistently said "Corbyn is a man of principle, that should count for something." In my opinion, it should count for everything. For every set of politics l, left and right there is usually a fair enough argument to go against it, politics will always swing and public conceptions will always change after a certain style of policies have caused certain problems, because essentially that's all anyone ever focuses on. That's why, for me, it's refreshing to come across a politician who I genuinely believe gives a s***, who goes to bed at night thinking of ordinary British people. I own my own business and I'm more than happy to pay a little bit of extra corporation tax if it means that when someone in my family becomes ill they won't be on a 6 month waiting list to see someone who probably won't have the time or resources to help them anyway. Think it's about time people stopped voting for whoever will give them an extra couple of quid and started thinking about those who simply haven't had the rub of the green that so many take for granted! If that makes me deluded so be it, I'd have Corbyn over the Tories any day of the week.

It doesn't matter whether he believes in his policies or not. Most politicians will believe in a large proportion of their party's manifesto. I want someone who is competent. Corbyn and his shadow cabinet don't come across as competent.

For whatever reason, the public see May as someone Who will be a capable Prime Minister I don't know why, but it isn't just because of the media as many on the left think.

 


the dignified don't even enter in the game

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 May 17 3.13pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

It doesn't matter whether he believes in his policies or not. Most politicians will believe in a large proportion of their party's manifesto. I want someone who is competent. Corbyn and his shadow cabinet don't come across as competent.

For whatever reason, the public see May as someone Who will be a capable Prime Minister I don't know why, but it isn't just because of the media as many on the left think.

Read back the Bert the Head media thread and say the media hasn't been hostile to Corbyn since day one.

 

Mstrobez Flag 13 May 17 3.22pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Do you really believe that chucking more money at the NHS is the answer to its problems?

Do you really believe that companies won't mind paying 40% corporation tax?

Corbyn and his acolytes don't go to 'bed thinking of ordinary British people'. They detest ordinary British people. Emily Thornberry and the white van. THe Islington set and its disgust of working class peoples views. Lady Shami saying she didn't want to be left in Labour with Essex men.

Don't be sucked in by their populist bulls***.

Maybe not, but the NHS needs more money. I've experienced it myself in the past couple of years and it is 100% on its knees. Great if you're about to die but everything up until that point is prettt much non existent. This "we can't just keep throwing money at it" is just a smoke screen from the tories to basically say we won't give it the Money it needs. The NHS needs a hell of a lot more funding, simple as that.

Of course a lot of them will mind but it's all a trade off as I said. I understand the argument that people have worked hard for the position they're in but austerity causes so much misery to people who simply haven't had the same breaks as others and it essentially classifies anyone in a certain predicament as someone who's lazy and doesn't work hard enough. Some of the most creative minds with the biggest potential come from the bottom of society. The reason I know this is from my own personal experience, the whole reason I opened up my own business was because I ran out of options. I worked hard from the day I left school and got myself into very good positions for my age, I thought I was invincible. I then was struck down with health problems that most likely could've easily been treated but the help that I required simply wasn't available. I waited 2 years to see the right person, I worked through it and did all that I could but by that time I'd even got a consultation, I had no choice but to stop working. Like I said, I made the best out of a s*** situation and started up on my own but I know many in a similar boat who most likely haven't had the experience or resources to do the same. Sure I'd love to continue paying 20% corporation tax but if paying 10% more (am sure it is 30% it is being risen to not 40 as you stated) means that people who need help will actually get it than so be it. 30% corporation tax is still a conservative and relatively low amount.

If I'm being honest my vote is for Corbyn alone. I don't like Labour, I find Diane Abbot, Emily Thornberry etc tedious. But for me, all the tories do is talk a good game. They have bringing the budget deficit down as pretty much there only accolade, other than that from where I'm standing they have done pretty much f*** all for the country since they've been in power. They're as irresponsible, chaotic and full of s*** as any other party and at the end of it all they are oblivious to the real lives of those below a certain class.

Edited by Mstrobez (13 May 2017 3.56pm)

 


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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 13 May 17 3.22pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Read back the Bert the Head media thread and say the media hasn't been hostile to Corbyn since day one.

Two things, first, I said not JUST the media. Second, do you ever ask yourself why the media are not Jezza friendly? Even the Guardian and before the election the Mirror have struggled to be able to put positive spin on his performances.

He started off terribly and he has been difficult with the press. He appears to think he can do a Trump and get his message out via social media and town hall meetings.

He needs, as all politicians do, to play the game. That's not just with the press either

 


the dignified don't even enter in the game

Mstrobez Flag 13 May 17 3.24pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

It doesn't matter whether he believes in his policies or not. Most politicians will believe in a large proportion of their party's manifesto. I want someone who is competent. Corbyn and his shadow cabinet don't come across as competent.

For whatever reason, the public see May as someone Who will be a capable Prime Minister I don't know why, but it isn't just because of the media as many on the left think.

Everyone says this, but in every interview I have seen him in he has come across as an intelligent and methodical man who makes sense. Regardless of the picture that the media paints him. I agree 100% with his shadow cabinet but I can't honestly say anyone in the tories exudes any confidence either! Theresa May, Phillip Hammond and David Davis appear to me as incompetent as anyone else.

 


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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 13 May 17 3.27pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Everyone says this, but in every interview I have seen him in he has come across as an intelligent and methodical man who makes sense. Regardless of the picture that the media paints him. I agree 100% with his shadow cabinet but I can't honestly say anyone in the tories exudes any confidence either! Theresa May, Phillip Hammond and David Davis appear to me as incompetent as anyone else.

I agree about the Tories, May for some reason does seem to appeal though. Unfortunately Farron comes across as someone who would struggle to run a village fete

 


the dignified don't even enter in the game

Mstrobez Flag 13 May 17 3.31pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

I agree about the Tories, May for some reason does seem to appeal though. Unfortunately Farron comes across as someone who would struggle to run a village fete

Lib dems are by far the worst of the worst. Didn't think there would be a party I'd less like in power than the tories but they certainly are one.

 


We're the Arthur over ere!

Mstrobez Flag 13 May 17 3.37pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

It doesn't matter whether he believes in his policies or not. Most politicians will believe in a large proportion of their party's manifesto. I want someone who is competent. Corbyn and his shadow cabinet don't come across as competent.

For whatever reason, the public see May as someone Who will be a capable Prime Minister I don't know why, but it isn't just because of the media as many on the left think.

Also, never underestimate the power of the media. Believe me, this very small amount of almost momentum labour seems to of had in the past week will be diminished soon enough. You can bet your bottom dollar, the last 2 weeks of the campaign is where the Tories will secure there landslide. I picture an extremely large media drive at that point as that will be when it counts. Incompetent and unpleasant they may be, I never doubt that the tories are intelligent and will know exactly what they're doing.

 


We're the Arthur over ere!

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 13 May 17 5.48pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Regardless of your opinion on policies, the media have consistently said "Corbyn is a man of principle, that should count for something." In my opinion, it should count for everything. For every set of politics l, left and right there is usually a fair enough argument to go against it, politics will always swing and public conceptions will always change after a certain style of policies have caused certain problems, because essentially that's all anyone ever focuses on. That's why, for me, it's refreshing to come across a politician who I genuinely believe gives a s***, who goes to bed at night thinking of ordinary British people. I own my own business and I'm more than happy to pay a little bit of extra corporation tax if it means that when someone in my family becomes ill they won't be on a 6 month waiting list to see someone who probably won't have the time or resources to help them anyway. Think it's about time people stopped voting for whoever will give them an extra couple of quid and started thinking about those who simply haven't had the rub of the green that so many take for granted! If that makes me deluded so be it, I'd have Corbyn over the Tories any day of the week.

Is this the 'man of principle' that campaigned to leave the EU for all of his political life and then suddenly became a Remainer when he became leader?

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Mstrobez Flag 13 May 17 5.55pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Is this the 'man of principle' that campaigned to leave the EU for all of his political life and then suddenly became a Remainer when he became leader?

I think all of his political life is stretching the truth slightly though isn't it. Not that anyone opposed to Corbyn ever does that. The alternative is someone who was a leading part of a campaign that definitively told us the sky would 100% fall out if we left the EU, the minute we decided to leave it. She now ensures us (150+ times) that we will be strong and stable regardless, very weird.

She also consistently voted for the Iraq war, so there's that. I'd rather be positive than just criticise the opposition but seeing as that insulting Corbyn is pretty much the only thing Theresa has brought to the table since calling the general election, why not do the same back.

Edited by Mstrobez (13 May 2017 5.59pm)

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 13 May 17 6.08pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

I think all of his political life is stretching the truth slightly though isn't it. Not that anyone opposed to Corbyn ever does that. The alternative is someone who was a leading part of a campaign that definitively told us the sky would 100% fall out if we left the EU, the minute we decided to leave it. She now ensures us (150+ times) that we will be strong and stable regardless, very weird.

She also consistently voted for the Iraq war, so there's that. I'd rather be positive than just criticise the opposition but seeing as that insulting Corbyn is pretty much the only thing Theresa has brought to the table since calling the general election, why not do the same back.

Edited by Mstrobez (13 May 2017 5.59pm)

He is also a former vice-chairman of CND committed to unilateral nuclear disarmament. Now of course he has said he will renew Trident.
The point is, he is far from being a 'man of principle', he is bending to the wind and pursuing votes.

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Mstrobez Flag 13 May 17 6.23pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

He is also a former vice-chairman of CND committed to unilateral nuclear disarmament. Now of course he has said he will renew Trident.
The point is, he is far from being a 'man of principle', he is bending to the wind and pursuing votes.

The guy can't win. He says he wants to help the NHS, education, public services and there's not enough money and we must live within our means. He outlines how he will do this financially and it's not fair on the elites who we're so reliant upon (despite the fact they ironically caused the mess the economy is in). He talks about the need to end nuclear weapons and he's deluded. He instead decides to renew them with the outlook of progressively easing tensions and confrontations, he's now not a man of principle. He's been accused of not being able to lead or do what's necessary to win. He then is blasted by people like you for taking action to "pursue votes". Whilst all this goes on the Tories are subject to barely any scrutiny from the media, get headlines for attacking Corbyn and somehow have the time to decide they like killing foxes. I still don't know what the Tories policy is on pretty much anything but somehow the people of this country remain adamant that they are the ones who have their best interests at heart. It's mad

 


We're the Arthur over ere!

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 13 May 17 6.50pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

The guy can't win. He says he wants to help the NHS, education, public services and there's not enough money and we must live within our means. He outlines how he will do this financially and it's not fair on the elites who we're so reliant upon (despite the fact they ironically caused the mess the economy is in). He talks about the need to end nuclear weapons and he's deluded. He instead decides to renew them with the outlook of progressively easing tensions and confrontations, he's now not a man of principle. He's been accused of not being able to lead or do what's necessary to win. He then is blasted by people like you for taking action to "pursue votes". Whilst all this goes on the Tories are subject to barely any scrutiny from the media, get headlines for attacking Corbyn and somehow have the time to decide they like killing foxes. I still don't know what the Tories policy is on pretty much anything but somehow the people of this country remain adamant that they are the ones who have their best interests at heart. It's mad

With all due respect, it was you who said Regardless of your opinion on policies, the media have consistently said "Corbyn is a man of principle, that should count for something." In my opinion, it should count for everything
I'm merely suggesting that he is not really 'a man of principle'.

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Mstrobez Flag 13 May 17 7.21pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

With all due respect, it was you who said Regardless of your opinion on policies, the media have consistently said "Corbyn is a man of principle, that should count for something." In my opinion, it should count for everything
I'm merely suggesting that he is not really 'a man of principle'.

And I disagree, with all due respect.

 


We're the Arthur over ere!

nickyf 13 May 17 7.42pm

political partys are like penguin biscuits different coloured wrappers but inside exactly the same biscuits.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 May 17 10.22pm

When Willo goes out canvassing, is it in a Ford anglia with a megaphone speaker attached to the roof?

 

Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 13 May 17 10.34pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

And I disagree, with all due respect.

Politicians should be able to change their mind on various policies. Some changes are harder to sell than others for obvious reasons but situations change and a good politician should be able to adapt.

 


the dignified don't even enter in the game

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 13 May 17 10.38pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Politicians should be able to change their mind on various policies. Some changes are harder to sell than others for obvious reasons but situations change and a good politician should be able to adapt.

I know, but lets not pretend that they are 'principled'.

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Mapletree Flag Croydon 13 May 17 11.13pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Piss awful project management from within. Millions wasted. They should have brought in an external consultancy to oversee the whole thing.

What you mean like Accenture.

It may come as news to you but it was that very organisation that crashed and burned big time. Just over ten years ago.

 

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