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 Stirlingsays  06 Jul 21 11.19am |
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Originally posted by DanH
For the millionth time, this isn’t the common flu! It’s far more dangerous. I didn't call it the common flu, and how dangerous it is compares to the protection against it.....don't for get that Spanish flu which killed millions is now part of what is called common flu. For the vaccinated, this is now a common flu type killer.
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| Stirlingsays 06 Jul 21 11.21am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
All true Stirling but it will still be law to isolate for 10 days if you have a positive result. Getting ill isn't my particular worry as I'm double jabbed ( one Indian and unapproved!). Shops and busy places may still require mask wearing and I would like to think customers would have an element of respect for individual requests. I will gladly swap 2 weeks off work for wearing a mask. We have never agreed on this topic cryrst, but I respect your position.
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| Stirlingsays 06 Jul 21 11.25am |
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Originally posted by DanH
There’s also a high % of people in the country not double jabbed (most the under 40s currently) who may not die but could still get nasty cases of it without full protection. Infecting someone who has some protection but not full also strikes me as the kind of experiment you would do if you were trying to evolve a vaccine resistant strain of the virus. Again, that's no different to the common flu. Some years there are nastier strains than other years. The vaccines are altered in relation to it. Unless a young person has a weak immune system then we should be careful not to hype up threats to that demographic worst than a bout of flu would give them.
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cryrst  The garden of England 06 Jul 21 12.26pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
We have never agreed on this topic cryrst, but I respect your position. Agreed but I'm your wing man on politics
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| Stirlingsays 06 Jul 21 12.44pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Agreed but I'm your wing man on politics Tips hat mate.
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| BlueJay UK 06 Jul 21 1.55pm |
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For a time at least I'll carry on wearing a mask on public transport and in supermarkets on account that it's no real inconvenience and some elderly and immune compromised simply 'have to' use those services even if they may still be trying to live a more careful life than most. So more a courteous nod to them. In pubs, restaurants, cinemas, whenever else though I won't do the whole silly mask on mask off thing from 19th as those are entirely elective places to visit. People enter at their own risk and have to make an assessment based on their own health situation. Once all rules are lifted to my mind it's impossible to avoid the virus if you want anything akin to a social life, and so people just have to hope that their general health and vaccination status means that it's a non event. It's an answer to a question we'll all eventually receive. There's still the whole 'spin the wheel' of what variants will end up popping up, and the impact of those, but it's partially unknowable so we're just going to have to carry on and hope for the best. There is some logic, post vaccination, to possibly getting a mild case of whatever is gong around now, as it might offer a degree of protection against whatever comes next. It's all but impossible to do anything beyond what's already been done now or to control variants because we're very much 'global' and you can bet what pops up somewhere else will be here weeks later. I'm not saying that's ideal, just inevitable.
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| BlueJay UK 06 Jul 21 2.25pm |
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Also, in my view the vaccines are very important in reducing hospitalisations, illness severity and most likely long covid too. From my anecdotal take of multiple vaccinated friends and acquaintances who picked up up Covid recently though, I would not be at all surprised if the hopes that infection post vaccination is unlikely don't end up matching the reality. No reason not to get vaccinated of course - it may even save your life or dial down its impact on you by magnitudes - but just don't be surprised if you still catch a mild case of it anyway.
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| Stirlingsays 06 Jul 21 9.48pm |
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Something that has had very little investigation is just why so many scientists, governments and media companies were so fine and happy to insist that this virus's origins were from a 'wet market'.....names were added to Lancet articles and so on. There was no objective reason to favour one origin over another yet no objectivity was shown what so ever. Yet, only recently once the whistle was blown on lab funding and on China's cover up and evidence destruction suddenly admissions that this is a valid theory appear. It's not a small aspect that those that questioned this theory with the rather obvious counterpoint of the Wuhan lab being located in the same area were abused and insulted in media, called 'conspiracy theorists', were censored and banned by media companies and had the rather obvious theory completely ignored...officially at least by governments. Who stood up against this? There is a rather obvious sub text over undue influence and media control...yet so many people have their attention easily distracted by the next event and led by the nose...and most don't even appear to care. Whatever China wants, China gets.....when the rot is set into your own elite class you have a serious problem. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2021 9.53pm)
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| Eaglecoops CR3 07 Jul 21 10.39am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Something that has had very little investigation is just why so many scientists, governments and media companies were so fine and happy to insist that this virus's origins were from a 'wet market'.....names were added to Lancet articles and so on. There was no objective reason to favour one origin over another yet no objectivity was shown what so ever. Yet, only recently once the whistle was blown on lab funding and on China's cover up and evidence destruction suddenly admissions that this is a valid theory appear. It's not a small aspect that those that questioned this theory with the rather obvious counterpoint of the Wuhan lab being located in the same area were abused and insulted in media, called 'conspiracy theorists', were censored and banned by media companies and had the rather obvious theory completely ignored...officially at least by governments. Who stood up against this? There is a rather obvious sub text over undue influence and media control...yet so many people have their attention easily distracted by the next event and led by the nose...and most don't even appear to care. Whatever China wants, China gets.....when the rot is set into your own elite class you have a serious problem. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2021 9.53pm) If it looks like a bat, flys like a bat, tastes like a bat, then of course it came out of the lab.
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| The Dolphin 07 Jul 21 1.41pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Something that has had very little investigation is just why so many scientists, governments and media companies were so fine and happy to insist that this virus's origins were from a 'wet market'.....names were added to Lancet articles and so on. There was no objective reason to favour one origin over another yet no objectivity was shown what so ever. Yet, only recently once the whistle was blown on lab funding and on China's cover up and evidence destruction suddenly admissions that this is a valid theory appear. It's not a small aspect that those that questioned this theory with the rather obvious counterpoint of the Wuhan lab being located in the same area were abused and insulted in media, called 'conspiracy theorists', were censored and banned by media companies and had the rather obvious theory completely ignored...officially at least by governments. Who stood up against this? There is a rather obvious sub text over undue influence and media control...yet so many people have their attention easily distracted by the next event and led by the nose...and most don't even appear to care. Whatever China wants, China gets.....when the rot is set into your own elite class you have a serious problem. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2021 9.53pm) Couldn't agree more!
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| The Dolphin 07 Jul 21 1.42pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
For a time at least I'll carry on wearing a mask on public transport and in supermarkets on account that it's no real inconvenience and some elderly and immune compromised simply 'have to' use those services even if they may still be trying to live a more careful life than most. So more a courteous nod to them. In pubs, restaurants, cinemas, whenever else though I won't do the whole silly mask on mask off thing from 19th as those are entirely elective places to visit. People enter at their own risk and have to make an assessment based on their own health situation. Once all rules are lifted to my mind it's impossible to avoid the virus if you want anything akin to a social life, and so people just have to hope that their general health and vaccination status means that it's a non event. It's an answer to a question we'll all eventually receive. There's still the whole 'spin the wheel' of what variants will end up popping up, and the impact of those, but it's partially unknowable so we're just going to have to carry on and hope for the best. There is some logic, post vaccination, to possibly getting a mild case of whatever is gong around now, as it might offer a degree of protection against whatever comes next. It's all but impossible to do anything beyond what's already been done now or to control variants because we're very much 'global' and you can bet what pops up somewhere else will be here weeks later. I'm not saying that's ideal, just inevitable.
I hope that Boris has his mind changed on masks.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 07 Jul 21 1.47pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Something that has had very little investigation is just why so many scientists, governments and media companies were so fine and happy to insist that this virus's origins were from a 'wet market'.....names were added to Lancet articles and so on. There was no objective reason to favour one origin over another yet no objectivity was shown what so ever. Yet, only recently once the whistle was blown on lab funding and on China's cover up and evidence destruction suddenly admissions that this is a valid theory appear. It's not a small aspect that those that questioned this theory with the rather obvious counterpoint of the Wuhan lab being located in the same area were abused and insulted in media, called 'conspiracy theorists', were censored and banned by media companies and had the rather obvious theory completely ignored...officially at least by governments. Who stood up against this? There is a rather obvious sub text over undue influence and media control...yet so many people have their attention easily distracted by the next event and led by the nose...and most don't even appear to care. Whatever China wants, China gets.....when the rot is set into your own elite class you have a serious problem. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2021 9.53pm) I thought it was as simple as whatever Trump says/said is/was wrong. When his replacement says or does exactly the same thing, then he's right. You couldn't make it up. So many examples: Covid, border, Russia etc.
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