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cryrst The garden of England 30 Jun 21 10.01am
So according to a report by a health board or the like the death rate in Manchester is 25% higher because they are poorer. I call bullcrap. Imho ignorance is the cause. Living 15 to a house doesn't help and refusing the vaccine when offered because of some spurious rumours could or rather will have an impact. Cause and effect is not always about dosh and how much you have or don't have.
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The garden of England 30 Jun 21 10.01am

So according to a report by a health board or the like the death rate in Manchester is 25% higher because they are poorer. I call bullcrap. Imho ignorance is the cause. Living 15 to a house doesn't help and refusing the vaccine when offered because of some spurious rumours could or rather will have an impact.
Cause and effect is not always about dosh and how much you have or don't have.

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grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 30 Jun 21 11.26am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger 100% agree. One of thee so called doctors proscribed my 1 year old grandson antibiotic without even seeing him. His mother took him to A&E in the end. What are they shielding for if they won't see anyone? Doctors had been doing this before this pandemic it's not a new thing. This now gives them even more excuses to not have to deal with people face to face. Doctors are now about disease management which you can do without even seeing a patient this is not only a UK thing (This is what happens when you are run by Pharmaceutical industry you are a number nothing else) Originally posted by cryrst So according to a report by a health board or the like the death rate in Manchester is 25% higher because they are poorer. I call bullcrap. Imho ignorance is the cause. Living 15 to a house doesn't help and refusing the vaccine when offered because of some spurious rumours could or rather will have an impact. Cause and effect is not always about dosh and how much you have or don't have. You can call it BS that is your opinion which is an incorrect one I suggest you do some research on the subject and get some facts. People who are poor have awful health. Take a look at the lifestyles of this group of people pre covid-19. It has nothing to do with people who have or have not received a jab. This is about deaths not infection rates again meaningless if 15 are in one house how many of those 15 died. I had to laugh regarding you mentioning cause and effect. (yet you do not appear to understand it for the concept of wealth regarding a persons health) Edited by grumpymort (30 Jun 2021 11.36am) (VPN) - [Link] (Alt VPN) - [Link]
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US/Thailand/UK 30 Jun 21 11.26am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

100% agree. One of thee so called doctors proscribed my 1 year old grandson antibiotic without even seeing him. His mother took him to A&E in the end.

What are they shielding for if they won't see anyone?

Doctors had been doing this before this pandemic it's not a new thing.

This now gives them even more excuses to not have to deal with people face to face.

Doctors are now about disease management which you can do without even seeing a patient this is not only a UK thing (This is what happens when you are run by Pharmaceutical industry you are a number nothing else)

Originally posted by cryrst

You can call it BS that is your opinion which is an incorrect one I suggest you do some research on the subject and get some facts.

People who are poor have awful health.

Take a look at the lifestyles of this group of people pre covid-19.

It has nothing to do with people who have or have not received a jab.

This is about deaths not infection rates again meaningless if 15 are in one house how many of those 15 died.

I had to laugh regarding you mentioning cause and effect. (yet you do not appear to understand it for the concept of wealth regarding a persons health)

Edited by grumpymort (30 Jun 2021 11.36am)

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 30 Jun 21 11.34am
Originally posted by cryrst So according to a report by a health board or the like the death rate in Manchester is 25% higher because they are poorer. I call bullcrap. Imho ignorance is the cause. Living 15 to a house doesn't help and refusing the vaccine when offered because of some spurious rumours could or rather will have an impact. Cause and effect is not always about dosh and how much you have or don't have. And that's obviously not at all linked to being poor?
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Originally posted by cryrst

So according to a report by a health board or the like the death rate in Manchester is 25% higher because they are poorer. I call bullcrap. Imho ignorance is the cause. Living 15 to a house doesn't help and refusing the vaccine when offered because of some spurious rumours could or rather will have an impact.
Cause and effect is not always about dosh and how much you have or don't have.

And that's obviously not at all linked to being poor?

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sickboy Deal or Croydon 30 Jun 21 11.57am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow And that's obviously not at all linked to being poor? Not always. Some people buy big houses and have all the family live under one roof.
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Deal or Croydon 30 Jun 21 11.57am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

And that's obviously not at all linked to being poor?

Not always.
Some people buy big houses and have all the family live under one roof.

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Stirlingsays Online 30 Jun 21 12.07pm
Originally posted by cryrst So according to a report by a health board or the like the death rate in Manchester is 25% higher because they are poorer. I call bullcrap. Imho ignorance is the cause. Living 15 to a house doesn't help and refusing the vaccine when offered because of some spurious rumours could or rather will have an impact. Cause and effect is not always about dosh and how much you have or don't have. Southern Asians are culturally attuned to large interacting family groups. Even if they were much richer that dynamic would still be a cultural reality. Outside of a contagious virus this cultural practice is much more effective than European style nuclear family set ups.....though it gives less individual independence. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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30 Jun 21 12.07pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Southern Asians are culturally attuned to large interacting family groups. Even if they were much richer that dynamic would still be a cultural reality.

Outside of a contagious virus this cultural practice is much more effective than European style nuclear family set ups.....though it gives less individual independence.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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BlueJay UK 30 Jun 21 1.05pm
Originally posted by grumpymort You can call it BS that is your opinion which is an incorrect one I suggest you do some research on the subject and get some facts. People who are poor have awful health. Take a look at the lifestyles of this group of people pre covid-19. It has nothing to do with people who have or have not received a jab. This is about deaths not infection rates again meaningless if 15 are in one house how many of those 15 died. I had to laugh regarding you mentioning cause and effect. (yet you do not appear to understand it for the concept of wealth regarding a persons health) Edited by grumpymort (30 Jun 2021 11.36am) He's just stating a view, no need for your wig to fly off. As with most things in life there are likely realities in between. Is being poor a plus when a pandemic is around? No. Is 15 to a house a positive in the same scenario. Most certainly also no.
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BlueJay

UK 30 Jun 21 1.05pm

Originally posted by grumpymort

You can call it BS that is your opinion which is an incorrect one I suggest you do some research on the subject and get some facts.

People who are poor have awful health.

Take a look at the lifestyles of this group of people pre covid-19.

It has nothing to do with people who have or have not received a jab.

This is about deaths not infection rates again meaningless if 15 are in one house how many of those 15 died.

I had to laugh regarding you mentioning cause and effect. (yet you do not appear to understand it for the concept of wealth regarding a persons health)

Edited by grumpymort (30 Jun 2021 11.36am)

He's just stating a view, no need for your wig to fly off. As with most things in life there are likely realities in between. Is being poor a plus when a pandemic is around? No. Is 15 to a house a positive in the same scenario. Most certainly also no.

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Teddy Eagle 30 Jun 21 1.12pm
Of 2000 new Covid cases in Scotland two-thirds say they travelled to London for the football. They weren’t too poor to do that.
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30 Jun 21 1.12pm

Of 2000 new Covid cases in Scotland two-thirds say they travelled to London for the football. They weren’t too poor to do that.

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BlueJay UK 30 Jun 21 1.29pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Of 2000 new Covid cases in Scotland two-thirds say they travelled to London for the football. They weren’t too poor to do that. Doesn't surprise me. I did see legions of our kilted brethren the next day at Kings cross. Curiously I was having a 'Spoons breakfast the same day and when it arrived half of it wasn't even on the plate. The guy strangely claimed 'the Scottish ate all of the bread'. Strange interaction..
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BlueJay

UK 30 Jun 21 1.29pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Of 2000 new Covid cases in Scotland two-thirds say they travelled to London for the football. They weren’t too poor to do that.

Doesn't surprise me. I did see legions of our kilted brethren the next day at Kings cross.

Curiously I was having a 'Spoons breakfast the same day and when it arrived half of it wasn't even on the plate. The guy strangely claimed 'the Scottish ate all of the bread'. Strange interaction..

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The Dolphin 30 Jun 21 3.33pm
Sorry but the "Manchester poor" meaning they get more covid than anywhere is plain crap and lazy politics. There are many poorer areas than Manchester for goodness sake! Poor social distancing, not taking the vaccine, disobeying the rules as well as the make up of their community is the cause and their suggestion is just plain ridiculous. The latest outbreaks have all been in areas with low vaccine uptake and with a high "ethnic" population. More cases naturally means more hospitalisation and deaths sadly. They need to look in at themselves and not blame the rest of the country!
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The Dolphin

30 Jun 21 3.33pm

Sorry but the "Manchester poor" meaning they get more covid than anywhere is plain crap and lazy politics.
There are many poorer areas than Manchester for goodness sake!
Poor social distancing, not taking the vaccine, disobeying the rules as well as the make up of their community is the cause and their suggestion is just plain ridiculous.
The latest outbreaks have all been in areas with low vaccine uptake and with a high "ethnic" population.
More cases naturally means more hospitalisation and deaths sadly.
They need to look in at themselves and not blame the rest of the country!

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Badger11 Beckenham 30 Jun 21 4.32pm
As some of you know I am a vaccine volunteer I received this today. ""We have been advised of a mass vaccination clinic at Crystal Palace on Saturday 3rd July. I have no further information than that at the moment, apart from the following: The event will be a celebration of football and music, with the Club televising the England Quarter Final Euros match on their large screen to people in the stands who got their tickets by coming along for vaccination. There will also be a DJ on site and some high profile music performances (securing Stormzy to ‘headline’). Appointments will be available on the NBS and we are looking to deliver 6k-10k Pfizer vaccinations to under 40s"" So if you have not had the first jab or it is now 8 weeks since you did book an appointment and get down to the Palace on Saturday get the jab and enjoy the day. I expect there will be a press release at some point so if someone could post it this was an internal email asking for vaccine volunteers. Edited by Badger11 (30 Jun 2021 4.33pm) One more point
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Beckenham 30 Jun 21 4.32pm

As some of you know I am a vaccine volunteer I received this today.

""We have been advised of a mass vaccination clinic at Crystal Palace on Saturday 3rd July. I have no further information than that at the moment, apart from the following:

The event will be a celebration of football and music, with the Club televising the England Quarter Final Euros match on their large screen to people in the stands who got their tickets by coming along for vaccination. There will also be a DJ on site and some high profile music performances (securing Stormzy to ‘headline’). Appointments will be available on the NBS and we are looking to deliver 6k-10k Pfizer vaccinations to under 40s""

So if you have not had the first jab or it is now 8 weeks since you did book an appointment and get down to the Palace on Saturday get the jab and enjoy the day.

I expect there will be a press release at some point so if someone could post it this was an internal email asking for vaccine volunteers.

Edited by Badger11 (30 Jun 2021 4.33pm)

One more point

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cryrst The garden of England 30 Jun 21 5.27pm
Originally posted by Badger11 As some of you know I am a vaccine volunteer I received this today. ""We have been advised of a mass vaccination clinic at Crystal Palace on Saturday 3rd July. I have no further information than that at the moment, apart from the following: The event will be a celebration of football and music, with the Club televising the England Quarter Final Euros match on their large screen to people in the stands who got their tickets by coming along for vaccination. There will also be a DJ on site and some high profile music performances (securing Stormzy to ‘headline’). Appointments will be available on the NBS and we are looking to deliver 6k-10k Pfizer vaccinations to under 40s"" So if you have not had the first jab or it is now 8 weeks since you did book an appointment and get down to the Palace on Saturday get the jab and enjoy the day. I expect there will be a press release at some point so if someone could post it this was an internal email asking for vaccine volunteers. Edited by Badger11 (30 Jun 2021 4.33pm) Stormzy. This has got a rally written all over it but its great news outside of my cynism. Well done badger you have shown all through this that it costs nothing to care. Big up to you my fellow Eagle
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cryrst

The garden of England 30 Jun 21 5.27pm

Originally posted by Badger11

As some of you know I am a vaccine volunteer I received this today.

""We have been advised of a mass vaccination clinic at Crystal Palace on Saturday 3rd July. I have no further information than that at the moment, apart from the following:

So if you have not had the first jab or it is now 8 weeks since you did book an appointment and get down to the Palace on Saturday get the jab and enjoy the day.

I expect there will be a press release at some point so if someone could post it this was an internal email asking for vaccine volunteers.

Edited by Badger11 (30 Jun 2021 4.33pm)

Stormzy. This has got a rally written all over it but its great news outside of my cynism. Well done badger you have shown all through this that it costs nothing to care.
Big up to you my fellow Eagle

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BlueJay UK 30 Jun 21 7.24pm
Originally posted by Badger11 As some of you know I am a vaccine volunteer I received this today. ""We have been advised of a mass vaccination clinic at Crystal Palace on Saturday 3rd July. I have no further information than that at the moment, apart from the following: The event will be a celebration of football and music, with the Club televising the England Quarter Final Euros match on their large screen to people in the stands who got their tickets by coming along for vaccination. There will also be a DJ on site and some high profile music performances (securing Stormzy to ‘headline’). Appointments will be available on the NBS and we are looking to deliver 6k-10k Pfizer vaccinations to under 40s"" So if you have not had the first jab or it is now 8 weeks since you did book an appointment and get down to the Palace on Saturday get the jab and enjoy the day. I expect there will be a press release at some point so if someone could post it this was an internal email asking for vaccine volunteers. Edited by Badger11 (30 Jun 2021 4.33pm) A good idea really to get some of the vaccine shy opting in. Thanks for highlighting it and also for your volunteer work .
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BlueJay

UK 30 Jun 21 7.24pm

Originally posted by Badger11

As some of you know I am a vaccine volunteer I received this today.

""We have been advised of a mass vaccination clinic at Crystal Palace on Saturday 3rd July. I have no further information than that at the moment, apart from the following:

So if you have not had the first jab or it is now 8 weeks since you did book an appointment and get down to the Palace on Saturday get the jab and enjoy the day.

I expect there will be a press release at some point so if someone could post it this was an internal email asking for vaccine volunteers.

Edited by Badger11 (30 Jun 2021 4.33pm)

A good idea really to get some of the vaccine shy opting in. Thanks for highlighting it and also for your volunteer work .

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