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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 22 Mar 18 10.11am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Bit of a fuss this morning as the blue passport will be made by a French / Dutch company. As A Brexit voter I am OK with this. I voted to leave not to cut all ties with the world and if theirs was the superior bid so be it.

The British company were not happy but their spokesman was unable to explain why their bid was substantially higher and waffled that the government should take other things into consideration. (I think he meant we're British so never mind the cost we should have got it)

Hopefully the government will point to this decision as proof we intend to continue trading with our European partners.

 


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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 22 Mar 18 12.20pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Bit of a fuss this morning as the blue passport will be made by a French / Dutch company. As A Brexit voter I am OK with this. I voted to leave not to cut all ties with the world and if theirs was the superior bid so be it.

The British company were not happy but their spokesman was unable to explain why their bid was substantially higher and waffled that the government should take other things into consideration. (I think he meant we're British so never mind the cost we should have got it)

Hopefully the government will point to this decision as proof we intend to continue trading with our European partners.

And due to EU rules on open procurement. We couldn't have opened it up to just British firms and I would think that the firm that was printing them previously thought they could put in a higher bid, presuming the British one would get preference.

And all besides the fact the French company that won the tender has a factory over here that will be employing the people and printing them.

 


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View Hansy's Profile Hansy Flag 22 Mar 18 12.25pm Send a Private Message to Hansy Add Hansy as a friend

The French firm was apparently £50m cheaper than the British.Do we pay the extra just to keep it in house?

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 22 Mar 18 1.45pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Stuk

And due to EU rules on open procurement. We couldn't have opened it up to just British firms and I would think that the firm that was printing them previously thought they could put in a higher bid, presuming the British one would get preference.

And all besides the fact the French company that won the tender has a factory over here that will be employing the people and printing them.

That was my take on the interview I heard. I am all for promoting British interests but that doesn't give British companies the right to gouge the taxpayer. Now if they can prove that the winning bid is financially unrealistic that is a different matter.

 


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View Oliver's Profile Oliver Flag Bodega Bay 22 Mar 18 2.38pm Send a Private Message to Oliver Add Oliver as a friend

Originally posted by Hansy

The French firm was apparently £50m cheaper than the British.Do we pay the extra just to keep it in house?

Should we always go for the cheapest option? Maybe quality is being sacrificed?

Should a matter of national security be dealt with by the private sector?

Edited by Oliver (22 Mar 2018 2.39pm)

Edited by Oliver (22 Mar 2018 2.40pm)

 


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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 22 Mar 18 2.56pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Oliver

Should we always go for the cheapest option? Maybe quality is being sacrificed?

Should a matter of national security be dealt with by the private sector?

Edited by Oliver (22 Mar 2018 2.39pm)

Edited by Oliver (22 Mar 2018 2.40pm)

They only print the passports, the Home Office issues them.

This story just smacks of a bitter CEO who thought he had a cushy contract coming his way. Their share price is almost exactly the same as when this bloke got the position in 2014.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 22 Mar 18 4.48pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

I forgot to mention that the company that lost out is crying foul "British contracts, British jobs". Yet they proudly state they print passports for countries around the world. So its OK to outsource to the UK but not OK for the UK to do likewise.

I have been listening all day to this story and I still have not yet heard a valid argument from the company beyond whinging.

If we stop open tendering we are inviting companies to raise their prices.

Security has now been raised as an issue and yet this was known when the tendering process started so what has changed.

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 22 Mar 18 5.51pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

I am a pro remain.

However I would like passpprts to be made here charity begins at home.

Outsourcing is a tory ideal to avoid any responsibility for just about anything.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 22 Mar 18 6.10pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

I am a pro remain.

However I would like passpprts to be made here charity begins at home.

Outsourcing is a tory ideal to avoid any responsibility for just about anything.

Interesting point as a Brexiter I have no problem with our EU partners winning the business. Of course now that we are leaving the government of the day could always re-nationalise the passport office something they can't do under current EU regulations.

 


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View Oliver's Profile Oliver Flag Bodega Bay 22 Mar 18 8.42pm Send a Private Message to Oliver Add Oliver as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Interesting point as a Brexiter I have no problem with our EU partners winning the business. Of course now that we are leaving the government of the day could always re-nationalise the passport office something they can't do under current EU regulations.

I know the French government print their own passports. Irony overload today with a French company winning the contract.

 


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Originally posted by Oliver

Should we always go for the cheapest option? Maybe quality is being sacrificed?

Why are you assuming that because something costs less that it's quality is always lower. That's a very British trait. A good example is when ALDI first came to the UK. They had trouble with their stores selling many products because the British saw cheap as low quality and always felt 'brand' names were better quality. ALDI then made a 'premium' range of products in 'premium' packaging and suddenly sales shot up. It took years for ALDI to reach their current dominant position in the UK retail industry and now their non-brand products are selling very well. Same goes for LIDL the other German owned retailer, both have excellent quality products at excellent prices that have been established for decades on the continent.

Paying less is often a sign that someone has a longer term vision and isn't trying to make quick profits through 'clever' marketing.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 23 Mar 18 8.09am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Oliver

Should we always go for the cheapest option? Maybe quality is being sacrificed?

There's a wonderful quote from the film Armageddon:-

You know we're sitting on four million pounds of fuel, one nuclear weapon and a thing that has 270,000 moving parts built by the lowest bidder. Makes you feel good, doesn't it?

 

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