Not sure they will have much choice. The Tories either get rid of her today, by indicating that they will back a no-confidence motion which I suspect trumps any attraction an offer of talks might hold for Corbyn or their effective demise as a political party is a nailed on.

The anger out there is real. The local parties are up in arms, there are people cutting up membership cards by the hundreds, if not thousands, and even the most sycophantic MP out there must know it is game over for them.

They have one last roll of the dice. Crash the Government, purge their ranks of any Remainer/Pro-May MP's, stick Boris in charge and fight a GE on the basis that we leave with No Deal.

Thats it. No more subtleties at play here, no smoke and mirrors, just a cold, hard reality.

If May stays then Brexit is over. As simple as that. Corbyn will have to put in a pre-condition of a second referendum with a question that is essentially fixed to ensure we remain. And I cannot see how this was anything else other than planned from the outset.

Her 'deal' was never going to fly. It needed DUP support and that backstop was a guarantee of that. Only logical conclusion to reach. I got why the EU wanted it but her even bringing it back to the table made no sense what so ever.

Never believed in any of this 'Deep State' nonsense but if she is not got by end of play today, or the Tories have not acted descively to get rid of her by openly stating they no longer have any confidence in her then it makes me seriously doubt the point in investing anymore time in our political system. Because it is a fix. Has to be.

Lots of Remainers were smugly quiet about us never leaving. I always dismissed them as fools but perhaps it is people like me who are the naive ones?

Because if she is allowed to do what she is trying to do then the UK is dead and buried. The Union will simply cease to exist within the next 20 years because what will be the point?

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Just listened to that betrayal live. Oliver Letwin interviewed on Radio 4. Incredible. Almost amusing in a bizarre sort of way to hear everything you most dreaded being articulated by somebody masquerading as a Conservative. He was actually praising Corbyn as a reasonable man. A man who openly backs terrorists, a man who observed a minutes silence for IRA scum-bags. And Letwin was singing his praises.

If May is still in office by this time tomorrow then it is all over. Brexit is done and dusted. As are the Tories.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Nice theory but from listening to the faces being trotted out this morning, this is not what is happening.

This is all about ensuring a second referendum with Remain or what would be an absolutely farcical Brexit with us as nothing more than a vassal state of the EU as the only choices.

They are f***ing us. As simple and crude as that.

One last chance and that is if the 1922 Committee decide to withdraw their support from May. And that has to happen today.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Nick Ferrari to Tory Minister:

"So what does an Marxist leader of a party riddled with anti-Semitism bring to the table".

One more point

democracy is only a means to an end - it's why you'll never get a referendum on hanging, there's too many idiots out there, and 52% of them want to hang themselves - the customs union is not a betrayal it's a lifeline, and if it is a betrayal I couldn't give a toss because it's infinitely preferable to economic meltdown, and 90% of the finance and business community agree - Brexit is boll*cks, pure and simple, this whole thing is a catastrophe conceived and delivered by the Conservative Party - if Tommy Robinson, Nigel Farage, Rees Mogg, Fox, Bojo, Duncan Smith, Baker, the little ERG twerp they all take the p*ss out of get angry that's a good sign, clueless w*nkers the lot of them - their core support ironically is the white trash they're out to screw - f*ck 'em all, well done Theresa, I'm willing to compromise and accept a soft Brexit though I have to hold my nose, not because I'm unpatriotic or undemocratic, just don't fancy economic meltdown any time soon, or maybe I'm just a bleeding heart liberal either brainwashed by 'project fear' or one of its spokesmen.

In a leadership contest it is the MPs who vote until there are only 2 candidates and then members like me get to select one for the leadership.The membership is very much pro-brexit and in a recent poll 75% voted for 'No Deal'.A recent poll amongst members for the next Tory leader had Johnson ahead with Raab second.

I really want to know what is the Brexit for which people voted

And how people that claim to know have the data to make that determination

I happen to know that the majority of leave voters wanted a Customs Union and no freedom of movement.

I also know that re-running the referendum would result in Remaining

Edited by Mapletree (03 Apr 2019 9.45am)

Shouldn't we see what May and Corbyn come up with before dismissing it? I suspect that this is just a way for May to blame Labour for Brexit but I'm happy to be proved wrong. There is also no reason to believe that Europe will agree even if they do come up with a compromise.

Remember that Brexit may mean Brexit but not necessarily the version that you wanted.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

Labour will spank the tories at the polls, the voters were going that way last time.

Remain will stuff leave in a referendum too, people are sick of it.

It is clinging to the wreckage to continue.

I wonder how the Cabinet could possibly think without their mobiles?