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Pussay Patrol  09 Apr 19 8.55am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
A bit like every General Election then especially 2010 when the Liberals made manifesto claims that they later reneged on. Should that election have been re-run? Yes. They're re run every 5 years. If they don't deliver you can vote a different way next time, and didn't the lib dems lose lots of seats as a result?
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 Teddy Eagle  09 Apr 19 9.29am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
surely the point is still valid? the vote was based on information and implications of which were not known at the time, and false claims and lies regardless of who said it? I'm not quite sure which side of the debate you've taken on this? Why should I have a side? I’ve already said I don’t understand the full ramifications either way. Emotionally I would leave, I don’t believe the EU has our best interests at heart, but is that enough to go on?
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| Pussay Patrol 09 Apr 19 10.01am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Why should I have a side? I’ve already said I don’t understand the full ramifications either way. Emotionally I would leave, I don’t believe the EU has our best interests at heart, but is that enough to go on? Exactly, if we're not 100% it's the best thing for our country we shouldn't leave You don't think a 2nd vote allays your concerns regarding democracy?
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silvertop  Portishead 09 Apr 19 10.02am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
A bit like every General Election then especially 2010 when the Liberals made manifesto claims that they later reneged on. Should that election have been re-run? Jesus not the student fees again. I made it clear about 10 pages back that the Liberals were compelled to drop this as part of their deal with the devil. That is, it was Tory policy forced on them Are you a goldfish?
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| Stirlingsays 09 Apr 19 10.08am |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Jesus not the student fees again. I made it clear about 10 pages back that the Liberals were compelled to drop this as part of their deal with the devil. That is, it was Tory policy forced on them Are you a goldfish?
Also they knew that coalition was always the reality method for them to enter government and that this policy was never going to fly.....it was disingenerous from the start. Yeah....protecting the taxpayer was real devil's work that one. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Apr 2019 10.22am)
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| Pussay Patrol 09 Apr 19 10.13am |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Jesus not the student fees again. I made it clear about 10 pages back that the Liberals were compelled to drop this as part of their deal with the devil. That is, it was Tory policy forced on them Are you a goldfish? The electorate didn't see it that way
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| DANGERCLOSE London 09 Apr 19 10.21am |
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| DANGERCLOSE London 09 Apr 19 10.24am |
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| Midlands Eagle 09 Apr 19 10.34am |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Are you a goldfish? Sincere apologies for not taking on board every word that your Lordship utters
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 09 Apr 19 10.55am |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Jesus not the student fees again. I made it clear about 10 pages back that the Liberals were compelled to drop this as part of their deal with the devil. That is, it was Tory policy forced on them Are you a goldfish? How on earth were they 'compelled' to drop it? They were firmly in the driving seat in those negotiations. They pissed their strong negotiating position up against the wall. They absolutely reneged on their manifesto commitment.
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| Spiderman Horsham 09 Apr 19 11.08am |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Guess you missed Liam Fox's tweet/comments then, just a part of the top 10 of whoppers in the pack of lies spun by the Leave campaign. And Remainers haven't spun any whoppers?
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 SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 09 Apr 19 11.08am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
You assume I was a leave voter? For the record I wasn’t. I wasn’t a remain voter either. Nope. Just challenging the sweeping assumption that most leave voters wanted the same type of Brexit that is inferred in your statement. It’s a common theme, whether you voted or not. It’s also nonsense.
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| Spiderman Horsham 09 Apr 19 11.12am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
As ever, all guess work. ‘This isn’t what the people voted for’. Well prove it then. Truth is there would have been 17.4m different rationales. Don't suppose you have proof of this have you? It seems on this thread Leavers have to produce facts whereas Remainers don't
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| Teddy Eagle 09 Apr 19 11.29am |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Nope. Just challenging the sweeping assumption that most leave voters wanted the same type of Brexit that is inferred in your statement. It’s a common theme, whether you voted or not. It’s also nonsense. Fine. You draw your inferences and I’ll draw mine. That’s how it works. At the moment anyway.
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 09 Apr 19 11.31am |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Nope. Just challenging the sweeping assumption that most leave voters wanted the same type of Brexit that is inferred in your statement. It’s a common theme, whether you voted or not. It’s also nonsense. I think you meant 'implied'.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 09 Apr 19 11.33am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Don't suppose you have proof of this have you? It seems on this thread Leavers have to produce facts whereas Remainers don't Obviously there are groupings, it's not like there are actually 17.4 million different tangible reasons – clearly being said to exaggerate – but the broader point stands, and it's one I keep banging on about. Every leave voter seems to think their reason/version of brexit represents the view of the other 17.4m. 'We'. Same for remain. Stop being so idiotic. Regarding evidence? Look it up. There are various sources, from polling sites to consultancy research that are continually being done now, and were done at the time. I can't believe that you genuinely think that everyone who voted in the Referendum, either leave or remain, all did so for exactly the same reason (eg. immigration), and or the same outcome (e.g. WTO). You can even do this yourself. Go to a leave area and ask 100 people what they expected when they voted – WTO, EEA/Norway, some form of negotiated deal, etc. The chance that every single person will say Immigration and WTO is ridiculous. Even now, polling is split as to what leave voters want. WTO, Canada, EEA, Mays Deal, No Deal, even a second ref. I despair
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| Midlands Eagle 09 Apr 19 11.34am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Not sure if it's more cognitive dissonance or simple narrow mindedness but I did notice same people argue that we don't need immigration to fill skills gap then on another debate question why the taxpayer should invest in higher level education. I did grin to myself when I read a post by the most narrow minded person on this forum calling others narrow minded Free higher tuition was abolished some 20 years ago by the Labour Government of the time. Please try and keep up
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| Midlands Eagle 09 Apr 19 11.37am |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
I despair I think that's a common feeling whether Remainer or Brexiteer as neither side are happy at the moment
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| Teddy Eagle 09 Apr 19 11.48am |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Obviously there are groupings, it's not like there are actually 17.4 million different tangible reasons – clearly being said to exaggerate – but the broader point stands, and it's one I keep banging on about. Every leave voter seems to think their reason/version of brexit represents the view of the other 17.4m. 'We'. Same for remain. Stop being so idiotic. Regarding evidence? Look it up. There are various sources, from polling sites to consultancy research that are continually being done now, and were done at the time. I can't believe that you genuinely think that everyone who voted in the Referendum, either leave or remain, all did so for exactly the same reason (eg. immigration), and or the same outcome (e.g. WTO). You can even do this yourself. Go to a leave area and ask 100 people what they expected when they voted – WTO, EEA/Norway, some form of negotiated deal, etc. The chance that every single person will say Immigration and WTO is ridiculous. Even now, polling is split as to what leave voters want. WTO, Canada, EEA, Mays Deal, No Deal, even a second ref. I despair You mean as opposed to every other vote/election where every single person votes for the same reasons? Why don’t you do this vox pop and report back.
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