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View moylerg's Profile moylerg Flag Cofton Hackett, Worcestershire 11 Feb 15 7.51am Send a Private Message to moylerg Add moylerg as a friend

Quote Catfish at 11 Feb 2015 7.47am

260,000 people a year adding to the population is hardly "statistically insignificant".


Statistics tend to look at overall percentages, part of the whole, and at 0.5%, it is close to statistically insignificant. He is correct in that and many other of his statements. A great article.

 


Most certainly not European.

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Quote moylerg at 11 Feb 2015 7.51am

Quote Catfish at 11 Feb 2015 7.47am

260,000 people a year adding to the population is hardly "statistically insignificant".


Statistics tend to look at overall percentages, part of the whole, and at 0.5%, it is close to statistically insignificant. He is correct in that and many other of his statements. A great article.


But that's an annual figure.
0.5% may be a small figure, but over 10 years that's 5%, and growing constantly.

You may believe imigration is beneficial, which is fine, but you can't realistically claim it's insignificant

 

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View crystal balls's Profile crystal balls Flag The Garden of Earthly Delights 11 Feb 15 8.29am Send a Private Message to crystal balls Add crystal balls as a friend

Quote npn at 11 Feb 2015 8.19am

Quote moylerg at 11 Feb 2015 7.51am

Quote Catfish at 11 Feb 2015 7.47am

260,000 people a year adding to the population is hardly "statistically insignificant".


Statistics tend to look at overall percentages, part of the whole, and at 0.5%, it is close to statistically insignificant. He is correct in that and many other of his statements. A great article.


But that's an annual figure.
0.5% may be a small figure, but over 10 years that's 5%, and growing constantly.

You may believe imigration is beneficial, which is fine, but you can't realistically claim it's insignificant

An annual figure, in the sense that it occurred in a 12 month period, but it is not a fixed figure; in future growth may be at a higher or lower rate. Over 10 years it is impossible to predict.

Incidentally, the world population is growing at a faster rate than 0.5% annually, why should the UK be exempt from that? People have to live somewhere, and the majority of those coming to the UK tend to be better educated on average than those remaining in their homelands.

There are positives to people coming to the UK, though sections of the media choose to only look at (and exaggerate) the downside.

 


I used to be immortal

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 11 Feb 15 9.36am

Quote Pussay Patrol at 20 Feb 2013 9.18pm

Here's a suggestion WPC.

Go down to just about every A road in and around London where they have vehicle stop checks and hoards of coppers in hi-vis jackets, tell them to stop treating ordinary motorists as criminals just because their seatbelts a bit sticky or they have a break light missing and go and do some proper policing....

Short of officers - my arse....

Sounds like they are all breaking the law to me.

 


"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Quote crystal balls at 11 Feb 2015 8.29am

Quote npn at 11 Feb 2015 8.19am

Quote moylerg at 11 Feb 2015 7.51am

Quote Catfish at 11 Feb 2015 7.47am

260,000 people a year adding to the population is hardly "statistically insignificant".


Statistics tend to look at overall percentages, part of the whole, and at 0.5%, it is close to statistically insignificant. He is correct in that and many other of his statements. A great article.


But that's an annual figure.
0.5% may be a small figure, but over 10 years that's 5%, and growing constantly.

You may believe imigration is beneficial, which is fine, but you can't realistically claim it's insignificant

An annual figure, in the sense that it occurred in a 12 month period, but it is not a fixed figure; in future growth may be at a higher or lower rate. Over 10 years it is impossible to predict.

Incidentally, the world population is growing at a faster rate than 0.5% annually, why should the UK be exempt from that? People have to live somewhere, and the majority of those coming to the UK tend to be better educated on average than those remaining in their homelands.

There are positives to people coming to the UK, though sections of the media choose to only look at (and exaggerate) the downside.


I agree, which is why I said you can argue that the imigration is beneficial. My only objection was to the claim that imigration numbers are insignificant - they are not, and it just perpetuates the 'head-in-the-sand' and 'we-will-not-discuss-it-for-fear-of-accusations-of-racism' attitudes which make the situtaion far worse than it needs to be.

Frank, honest, and open discussion is required, of both the benefits and the drawbacks. That discussion may very well come to the conclusion that the numbers are sustainable, or even that they could be increased, but avoiding the discussion helps nobody. Personally, I'm all for imigration when it comprises skilled people, and I favour a points based system, but that's a different debate

 

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TheJudge Flag 11 Feb 15 6.42pm

Quote npn at 11 Feb 2015 9.50am

Quote crystal balls at 11 Feb 2015 8.29am

Quote npn at 11 Feb 2015 8.19am

Quote moylerg at 11 Feb 2015 7.51am

Quote Catfish at 11 Feb 2015 7.47am

260,000 people a year adding to the population is hardly "statistically insignificant".


Statistics tend to look at overall percentages, part of the whole, and at 0.5%, it is close to statistically insignificant. He is correct in that and many other of his statements. A great article.


But that's an annual figure.
0.5% may be a small figure, but over 10 years that's 5%, and growing constantly.

You may believe imigration is beneficial, which is fine, but you can't realistically claim it's insignificant

An annual figure, in the sense that it occurred in a 12 month period, but it is not a fixed figure; in future growth may be at a higher or lower rate. Over 10 years it is impossible to predict.

Incidentally, the world population is growing at a faster rate than 0.5% annually, why should the UK be exempt from that? People have to live somewhere, and the majority of those coming to the UK tend to be better educated on average than those remaining in their homelands.

There are positives to people coming to the UK, though sections of the media choose to only look at (and exaggerate) the downside.


I agree, which is why I said you can argue that the imigration is beneficial. My only objection was to the claim that imigration numbers are insignificant - they are not, and it just perpetuates the 'head-in-the-sand' and 'we-will-not-discuss-it-for-fear-of-accusations-of-racism' attitudes which make the situtaion far worse than it needs to be.

Frank, honest, and open discussion is required, of both the benefits and the drawbacks. That discussion may very well come to the conclusion that the numbers are sustainable, or even that they could be increased, but avoiding the discussion helps nobody. Personally, I'm all for imigration when it comprises skilled people, and I favour a points based system, but that's a different debate


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View moylerg's Profile moylerg Flag Cofton Hackett, Worcestershire 11 Feb 15 6.53pm Send a Private Message to moylerg Add moylerg as a friend

Quote npn at 11 Feb 2015 9.50am

Quote crystal balls at 11 Feb 2015 8.29am

Quote npn at 11 Feb 2015 8.19am

Quote moylerg at 11 Feb 2015 7.51am

Quote Catfish at 11 Feb 2015 7.47am

260,000 people a year adding to the population is hardly "statistically insignificant".


Statistics tend to look at overall percentages, part of the whole, and at 0.5%, it is close to statistically insignificant. He is correct in that and many other of his statements. A great article.


But that's an annual figure.
0.5% may be a small figure, but over 10 years that's 5%, and growing constantly.

You may believe imigration is beneficial, which is fine, but you can't realistically claim it's insignificant

An annual figure, in the sense that it occurred in a 12 month period, but it is not a fixed figure; in future growth may be at a higher or lower rate. Over 10 years it is impossible to predict.

Incidentally, the world population is growing at a faster rate than 0.5% annually, why should the UK be exempt from that? People have to live somewhere, and the majority of those coming to the UK tend to be better educated on average than those remaining in their homelands.

There are positives to people coming to the UK, though sections of the media choose to only look at (and exaggerate) the downside.


I agree, which is why I said you can argue that the imigration is beneficial. My only objection was to the claim that imigration numbers are insignificant - they are not, and it just perpetuates the 'head-in-the-sand' and 'we-will-not-discuss-it-for-fear-of-accusations-of-racism' attitudes which make the situtaion far worse than it needs to be.

Frank, honest, and open discussion is required, of both the benefits and the drawbacks. That discussion may very well come to the conclusion that the numbers are sustainable, or even that they could be increased, but avoiding the discussion helps nobody. Personally, I'm all for imigration when it comprises skilled people, and I favour a points based system, but that's a different debate

Significant yes to you or I, but In statistical terms, they are insignificant. What that really means is that in terms of numbers in the population they are not that high. That said, in terms of the economic contribution, extremely positive overall. The issue is surely that when someone knows of an immigrant claiming benefits, then they all are! I live in Birmingham, having lived in Perth WA for almost 4-years, and it is such a mixed race city to come back to, it was a shock at first! How many are immigrants, and of what generation, who knows! The fact is that typically immigrants serve the UK well and have for the last century and more. My in laws are immigrants, from India in the 50s. Worked in iron foundries post wartime and worked hard for themselves and the country. Different times now, differing immigrant nationalities, but, the same potential work ethic.

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Most certainly not European.

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 Mar 15 7.11pm

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400,000 to be denied adult education due to cuts according to this...

 

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Catfish Flag Burgess Hill 17 Mar 15 7.54pm

It has become a standard thing to say that immigration is economically a good thng and that we are better off as a result of immgration over the last 15-20 years. Really?
The number of foreign born people has risen from 3 to 7 million in that time. Well that is not a bad experiment - if there were economic advantages they should now be readily apparent. They are not. Even the most liberal economists say that the economic benefits are marginal at best. What they cannot Inclde in their sums, because they are unknowns, is the impact of illegal workers on the job market and the impact of a shadow population on services, housing, schools, hospitals and prisons. No one can calculate the impact on the economy of those millions who send much of their earnings abroad rather than recycle wealth into our economy. Even if there were a marginal economic benefit it is more than offset by the social tensions and risks to our security.

 


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His carer had probably just departed from a 3 second visit after placing a boiled egg in his hand for his lunch. (True story and I'm not even sure the egg was boiled)

 

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It is notable that no one from teh government is denying that 60% of teh cuts are yet to come.

So if you think things are bad now just wait...

 


Taking the bungy jump since 1964. Never to see John Jackson in a shirt again

Sorry to see Lee Hills go, did we ever see Alex Marrow? We did January 2013

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View General's Profile General Flag 18 Mar 15 8.51am Send a Private Message to General Add General as a friend

Electrical industry changed/screwed by these amazingly hard working/sneaky people. Go from earning good money to struggling to find work that is not somehow influenced by the ways these workers accept payment (umbrella/self employed) and/or conditions.
No trouble Il wear them 15 quid work boots for a year why do u want them comfortable ones. I can work 7-7 for no overtime pay thanks boss I have no reason to go home and see wife/kids they back home. Weekends yes Il work both days for standard pay! Maybe I expect too much..should be thankful I have a job!
Basically they are great for owners/governments.
Only thing u can do Is employ them and reap the benefits...dont worry about morals

Oh and this is exactly what the people above us want. Dont question the politicians/bankers who screw us over billions or shag boys go for the poor bozo

Propaganda in full effect congrats to the rulers of our life n world u done great

 

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