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Quote Forest Hillbilly at 09 Apr 2013 2.07pm

Ahh, hibbystu, you reminded me.
1990-91, i had just spent a month in hospital (motorbike crash) with another 6 months on Incapacity Benefit (or whatever it was), when i get a very nice letter from the Poll Tax people informing me they are taking me to court for non-payment.
They decide they are going to take 50% of my benefit, until the £200 is paid off. Such nice people.

Then that cnt Tebbit telling the unemployed to "get on their bike" to find work. There was a real heartless b'stard.
Slight irony that Mr McGuiness was telling the N.Irish not to have street parties this week, as they didn't want to be seen stooping to Thatcher's level.


However, the Thatcher years did inspire some cult television:

Auf Weidersein Pet
Boys from the Black Stuff
A Kick up the 80's
The Young Ones

There was some good social commentry in that lot.


Tebbit didn't say crash it

 


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A quote from Mrs. T.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money"

 

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Quote since1953 at 09 Apr 2013 2.15pm

A quote from Mrs. T.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money"


i thought that was bankers,....

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (09 Apr 2013 2.26pm)

 


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Quote since1953 at 09 Apr 2013 2.15pm

A quote from Mrs. T.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money"


As with full on consumerism and easy credit.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 09 Apr 13 2.31pm

Quote Kermit8 at 09 Apr 2013 2.02pm

Funeral next Wednesday

As a mark of respect I will take my pants off


EFA

 


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Quote since1953 at 09 Apr 2013 2.15pm

A quote from Mrs. T.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money"

"The problem with Capitalism is that you quickly run out of others peoples money"


 


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As many have said Thatcher did make decisions that are viewed as mistakes. I certainly believe that.

However, it's constantly forgotten that at the time the choice was between two very different ideologies.

Labour had run the country into the ground. We had the IMF in, the unions were way too powerful.....People are living in la la land if they think that Britain could have continued this way without things spiraling out of control. We were the 'sick man' of Europe.

The working class mainly voted in Thatcher all three times. And that's while she was receiving just as much hate from the usual suspects as she does from a new brigade today.

Jamie thinks that voting Labour in 79 wouldn't have been disastrous....Well, I say the evidence for his optimism is very thin. The loony left held sway in Labour and they were completely opposed to actually confronting and making the hard economic and union decisions that needed to be made.

Sure Thatcher went way too far.....That's what ideology gives us. She did bring in an age of unfairness for many and we live with the mistakes that she started.

However, she dragged a country that was on its knees to one that economically was strong. That needed to happen. Sure we made a lot of decisions that I don't agree with but there is no way in hell that the loony left would have turned us around.....Hell, they even argued over the IMF terms....Madness.

After initially being wrong about the EU and signing away too much she actually saw the disaster that was to befall it way before most others. She held firm on the pound which contributed to a culture where Brown could keep out of the Euro without too much criticism......And thank god for that......We have seven percent youth unemployment, while Spain has twenty eight.

 


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Well the UK was in recession before Wilson came in, and there was the small matter of a global oil crisis and global inflation.

You can't judge Wilson/Callaghan without that context.

 

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Quote Stirlingsays at 09 Apr 2013 2.33pm

As many have said Thatcher did make decisions that are viewed as mistakes. I certainly believe that.

However, it's constantly forgotten that at the time the choice was between two very different ideologies.

Labour had run the country into the ground. We had the IMF in, the unions were way too powerful.....People are living in la la land if they think that Britain could have continued this way without things spiraling out of control. We were the 'sick man' of Europe.

The working class mainly voted in Thatcher all three times. And that's while she was receiving just as much hate from the usual suspects as she does from a new brigade today.

Jamie thinks that voting Labour in 79 wouldn't have been disastrous....Well, I say the evidence for his optimism is very thin. The loony left held sway in Labour and they were completely opposed to actually confronting and making the hard economic and union decisions that needed to be made.

Sure Thatcher went way too far.....That's what ideology gives us. She did bring in an age of unfairness for many and we live with the mistakes that she started.

However, she dragged a country that was on its knees to one that economically was strong. That needed to happen. Sure we made a lot of decisions that I don't agree with but there is no way in hell that the loony left would have turned us around.....Hell, they even argued over the IMF terms....Madness.

After initially being wrong about the EU and signing away too much she actually saw the disaster that was to befall it way before most others. She held firm on the pound which contributed to a culture where Brown could keep out of the Euro without too much criticism......And thank god for that......We have seven percent youth unemployment, while Spain has twenty eight.


The policies of the 79 Labour Party were not so much of the loony variety, but they were policies which had been shown to fail. It is very hard to know what would have happened to the labour party if they had won the 79 election because the left was certainly getting stronger but it was the electoral defeat itself which was the catalyst for the takeover by the extremists. Certainly the 83 election was pivotal though. Even if Thatcher's popularity was significantly increased by the Falklands victory, the result was never in doubt. As Gerald Kaufman said, the Labour 1983 manifesto was the longest suicide note in history.

 


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 09 Apr 2013 2.33pm

Quote since1953 at 09 Apr 2013 2.15pm

A quote from Mrs. T.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money"

"The problem with Capitalism is that you quickly run out of others peoples money"



Thatcher followed Hayek economically not Keynes. The response to the banking crises was pure Keynesian...Seemingly around the world... and has continued to be.

For the life of me I don't see how Thatcher would have supported the banks in quite the same way.

Hayek policy is to let a poor business fail.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Apr 2013 2.44pm)

 


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Pinky Flag Kent 09 Apr 13 2.42pm

Just checking: is she still dead?

 

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Quote Pinky at 09 Apr 2013 2.42pm

Just checking: is she still dead?


Yes she is....But long before she went she killed your political ideology.

 


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