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matt_himself Matataland 09 May 15 10.24pm
Quote Eagle_SA at 09 May 2015 10.15pm I really loathe this lot but it does seem crazy that they're the third biggest party in terms of percentage of votes and yet only have one MP. It just goes to show how screwy the system is. You called me a 'Cnut' a few days ago. Glad that you are reasoned and balanced and can make an unemotional decision. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Quote Eagle_SA at 09 May 2015 10.15pm

I really loathe this lot but it does seem crazy that they're the third biggest party in terms of percentage of votes and yet only have one MP. It just goes to show how screwy the system is.

You called me a 'Cnut' a few days ago.

Glad that you are reasoned and balanced and can make an unemotional decision.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Stirlingsays 10 May 15 9.34am
Quote imbored at 09 May 2015 4.11pm Quote nickgusset at 09 May 2015 9.27am Quote Stirlingsays at 09 May 2015 9.23am Anyway Nick....What on earth are you doing with a yellow card? Opinion opponent or not we can't be having our resident lefties kicked out of Hol. I used the t word So the multiple times you've been told that you're talking sh!t and to f*ck off count for nothing then? Good old double standards. Edited by imbored (09 May 2015 4.12pm) Seconded, Nick could run off to the mods many a time from some of the stuff he gets called on here. It's bad form that someone's reported him. The mods are right to come down on reported abuse.....But Gusset gets far far more than he gives out. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Anyway Nick....What on earth are you doing with a yellow card?

Opinion opponent or not we can't be having our resident lefties kicked out of Hol.

I used the t word

So the multiple times you've been told that you're talking sh!t and to f*ck off count for nothing then? Good old double standards.

Edited by imbored (09 May 2015 4.12pm)

Seconded, Nick could run off to the mods many a time from some of the stuff he gets called on here.

It's bad form that someone's reported him. The mods are right to come down on reported abuse.....But Gusset gets far far more than he gives out.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 10 May 15 9.37am
Quote Stirlingsays at 10 May 2015 9.34am Quote imbored at 09 May 2015 4.11pm Quote nickgusset at 09 May 2015 9.27am Quote Stirlingsays at 09 May 2015 9.23am Anyway Nick....What on earth are you doing with a yellow card? Opinion opponent or not we can't be having our resident lefties kicked out of Hol. I used the t word So the multiple times you've been told that you're talking sh!t and to f*ck off count for nothing then? Good old double standards. Edited by imbored (09 May 2015 4.12pm) Seconded, Nick could run off to the mods many a time from some of the stuff he gets called on here. It's bad form that someone's reported him. The mods are right to come down on reported abuse.....But Gusset gets far far more than he gives out. I blame the Tories and UKIP
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Quote nickgusset at 09 May 2015 9.27am

Quote Stirlingsays at 09 May 2015 9.23am

Anyway Nick....What on earth are you doing with a yellow card?

Opinion opponent or not we can't be having our resident lefties kicked out of Hol.

I used the t word

So the multiple times you've been told that you're talking sh!t and to f*ck off count for nothing then? Good old double standards.

Edited by imbored (09 May 2015 4.12pm)

Seconded, Nick could run off to the mods many a time from some of the stuff he gets called on here.

It's bad form that someone's reported him. The mods are right to come down on reported abuse.....But Gusset gets far far more than he gives out.

I blame the Tories and UKIP

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Stirlingsays 10 May 15 9.44am
Quote imbored at 09 May 2015 10.08pm Quote rob1969 at 09 May 2015 9.58pm Believe UKIP peaked too early - as have other 'new' parties in the past (SDP) - for the general election and by the next - in 2020 - we should have had the promised EU referendum and will either be on our way out - or staying in long term. They will be irrelevant by then. What stands out for me, and seems to pass some by, is that it wasn't primarily 'the left' that tried to do them in. From reading the Sun and Daily Mail it was apparent that there was a relentless attack on both UKIP and Labour, as they were both seen as a threat to the Tories. Labour on account that they could get into government and UKIP based on the thought that they might 'split the Tory vote'. A point Nigel himself addressed. Papers aren't faced with the same scrutiny as broadcasters, hence how The Sun's first ten+ pages were relentlessly anti Labour and to a lesser extent anti UKIP the last couple of days before voting.. Edited by imbored (09 May 2015 10.16pm) Miliband treated Ukip in the proper manner as far as I saw. He was polite but pointed out where he differed. However, certain 'left' wing commentators on here or indeed.....A fair few teachers at work mainly implied that voting Ukip was racist and anti immigrant. Ukip's policy was just to go back to having controls of our own borders.....back to a time before the EU took them over......And that meant you were a racist and anti immigrant. It's the old reductionist approach. It really sickened me and still does. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 May 2015 9.48am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Believe UKIP peaked too early - as have other 'new' parties in the past (SDP) - for the general election and by the next - in 2020 - we should have had the promised EU referendum and will either be on our way out - or staying in long term. They will be irrelevant by then.

What stands out for me, and seems to pass some by, is that it wasn't primarily 'the left' that tried to do them in. From reading the Sun and Daily Mail it was apparent that there was a relentless attack on both UKIP and Labour, as they were both seen as a threat to the Tories. Labour on account that they could get into government and UKIP based on the thought that they might 'split the Tory vote'. A point Nigel himself addressed.

Papers aren't faced with the same scrutiny as broadcasters, hence how The Sun's first ten+ pages were relentlessly anti Labour and to a lesser extent anti UKIP the last couple of days before voting..

Edited by imbored (09 May 2015 10.16pm)

Miliband treated Ukip in the proper manner as far as I saw. He was polite but pointed out where he differed.

However, certain 'left' wing commentators on here or indeed.....A fair few teachers at work mainly implied that voting Ukip was racist and anti immigrant.

Ukip's policy was just to go back to having controls of our own borders.....back to a time before the EU took them over......And that meant you were a racist and anti immigrant.

It's the old reductionist approach.

It really sickened me and still does.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 May 2015 9.48am)

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Stirlingsays 10 May 15 9.49am
Quote nickgusset at 10 May 2015 9.37am I blame the Tories and UKIP I get the impression that you might be saying that a fair few times over this next five years. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote nickgusset at 10 May 2015 9.37am

I blame the Tories and UKIP

I get the impression that you might be saying that a fair few times over this next five years.

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Qwijibo Bournemouth 10 May 15 10.45am
Quote Stirlingsays at 10 May 2015 9.44am Quote imbored at 09 May 2015 10.08pm Quote rob1969 at 09 May 2015 9.58pm Believe UKIP peaked too early - as have other 'new' parties in the past (SDP) - for the general election and by the next - in 2020 - we should have had the promised EU referendum and will either be on our way out - or staying in long term. They will be irrelevant by then. What stands out for me, and seems to pass some by, is that it wasn't primarily 'the left' that tried to do them in. From reading the Sun and Daily Mail it was apparent that there was a relentless attack on both UKIP and Labour, as they were both seen as a threat to the Tories. Labour on account that they could get into government and UKIP based on the thought that they might 'split the Tory vote'. A point Nigel himself addressed. Papers aren't faced with the same scrutiny as broadcasters, hence how The Sun's first ten+ pages were relentlessly anti Labour and to a lesser extent anti UKIP the last couple of days before voting.. Edited by imbored (09 May 2015 10.16pm) Miliband treated Ukip in the proper manner as far as I saw. He was polite but pointed out where he differed. However, certain 'left' wing commentators on here or indeed.....A fair few teachers at work mainly implied that voting Ukip was racist and anti immigrant. Ukip's policy was just to go back to having controls of our own borders.....back to a time before the EU took them over......And that meant you were a racist and anti immigrant. It's the old reductionist approach. It really sickened me and still does. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 May 2015 9.48am) [Link] [Link] It's a fair point you've made and I'm not going to get into a never-ending debate, but how do you account for the two examples above? Both seem pretty straight-forward examples of hatred towards ethnic groups. Both cases could be accused of having an agenda from the media outlet's they're displayed on, but it's impossible to take the opinions of Duncan and Blay out of context. Voting UKIP may not be racist, but individual's within the party clearly are. That association is a little close for comfort for me. It concerns me that a party represents the opinion of 4m people yet cannot escape bigotry like these examples.
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Quote Stirlingsays at 10 May 2015 9.44am

Quote imbored at 09 May 2015 10.08pm

Quote rob1969 at 09 May 2015 9.58pm

Papers aren't faced with the same scrutiny as broadcasters, hence how The Sun's first ten+ pages were relentlessly anti Labour and to a lesser extent anti UKIP the last couple of days before voting..

Edited by imbored (09 May 2015 10.16pm)

Miliband treated Ukip in the proper manner as far as I saw. He was polite but pointed out where he differed.

However, certain 'left' wing commentators on here or indeed.....A fair few teachers at work mainly implied that voting Ukip was racist and anti immigrant.

Ukip's policy was just to go back to having controls of our own borders.....back to a time before the EU took them over......And that meant you were a racist and anti immigrant.

It's the old reductionist approach.

It really sickened me and still does.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 May 2015 9.48am)

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It's a fair point you've made and I'm not going to get into a never-ending debate, but how do you account for the two examples above? Both seem pretty straight-forward examples of hatred towards ethnic groups.

Both cases could be accused of having an agenda from the media outlet's they're displayed on, but it's impossible to take the opinions of Duncan and Blay out of context. Voting UKIP may not be racist, but individual's within the party clearly are. That association is a little close for comfort for me. It concerns me that a party represents the opinion of 4m people yet cannot escape bigotry like these examples.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 10 May 15 10.46am
Quote Stirlingsays at 10 May 2015 9.44am Quote imbored at 09 May 2015 10.08pm Quote rob1969 at 09 May 2015 9.58pm Believe UKIP peaked too early - as have other 'new' parties in the past (SDP) - for the general election and by the next - in 2020 - we should have had the promised EU referendum and will either be on our way out - or staying in long term. They will be irrelevant by then. What stands out for me, and seems to pass some by, is that it wasn't primarily 'the left' that tried to do them in. From reading the Sun and Daily Mail it was apparent that there was a relentless attack on both UKIP and Labour, as they were both seen as a threat to the Tories. Labour on account that they could get into government and UKIP based on the thought that they might 'split the Tory vote'. A point Nigel himself addressed. Papers aren't faced with the same scrutiny as broadcasters, hence how The Sun's first ten+ pages were relentlessly anti Labour and to a lesser extent anti UKIP the last couple of days before voting.. Edited by imbored (09 May 2015 10.16pm) Miliband treated Ukip in the proper manner as far as I saw. He was polite but pointed out where he differed. However, certain 'left' wing commentators on here or indeed.....A fair few teachers at work mainly implied that voting Ukip was racist and anti immigrant. Ukip's policy was just to go back to having controls of our own borders.....back to a time before the EU took them over......And that meant you were a racist and anti immigrant. It's the old reductionist approach. It really sickened me and still does. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 May 2015 9.48am) In fairness, a number of UKIP candidates were racist, such as the guy who objected to a UK citizen being an MP and possible future PM and said he'd shoot him. UKIP as a party aren't racist, but more than a few of its supporters and members are. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Stirlingsays at 10 May 2015 9.44am

Quote imbored at 09 May 2015 10.08pm

Quote rob1969 at 09 May 2015 9.58pm

Papers aren't faced with the same scrutiny as broadcasters, hence how The Sun's first ten+ pages were relentlessly anti Labour and to a lesser extent anti UKIP the last couple of days before voting..

Edited by imbored (09 May 2015 10.16pm)

Miliband treated Ukip in the proper manner as far as I saw. He was polite but pointed out where he differed.

However, certain 'left' wing commentators on here or indeed.....A fair few teachers at work mainly implied that voting Ukip was racist and anti immigrant.

Ukip's policy was just to go back to having controls of our own borders.....back to a time before the EU took them over......And that meant you were a racist and anti immigrant.

It's the old reductionist approach.

It really sickened me and still does.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 May 2015 9.48am)

In fairness, a number of UKIP candidates were racist, such as the guy who objected to a UK citizen being an MP and possible future PM and said he'd shoot him.

UKIP as a party aren't racist, but more than a few of its supporters and members are.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Stirlingsays 10 May 15 10.54am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 May 2015 10.46am csx In fairness, a number of UKIP candidates were racist, such as the guy who objected to a UK citizen being an MP and possible future PM and said he'd shoot him. UKIP as a party aren't racist, but more than a few of its supporters and members are. Point taken. Though I think the extent can be argued on.....The media and commentators were very willing to focus only upon the nutters. It isn't a fair representation. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 May 2015 10.56am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 May 2015 10.46am
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In fairness, a number of UKIP candidates were racist, such as the guy who objected to a UK citizen being an MP and possible future PM and said he'd shoot him.

UKIP as a party aren't racist, but more than a few of its supporters and members are.

Point taken.

Though I think the extent can be argued on.....The media and commentators were very willing to focus only upon the nutters.

It isn't a fair representation.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 May 2015 10.56am)

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 10 May 15 11.00am
Quote Stirlingsays at 10 May 2015 9.34am Quote imbored at 09 May 2015 4.11pm Quote nickgusset at 09 May 2015 9.27am Quote Stirlingsays at 09 May 2015 9.23am Anyway Nick....What on earth are you doing with a yellow card? Opinion opponent or not we can't be having our resident lefties kicked out of Hol. I used the t word So the multiple times you've been told that you're talking sh!t and to fck off count for nothing then? Good old double standards. Edited by imbored (09 May 2015 4.12pm) Seconded, Nick could run off to the mods many a time from some of the stuff he gets called on here. It's bad form that someone's reported him. The mods are right to come down on reported abuse.....But Gusset gets far far more than he gives out*. I agree wholeheartedly with that. Nick might fight on the other side of politics to many of us on here but that is his prerogative, BUT to get a yellow for calling someone a very mediocre word like he did after all the sh1te he gets thrown at him is quite laughable. I think he should have the yellow taken off immediately he just does not deserve it in my honest opinion.... Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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Quote nickgusset at 09 May 2015 9.27am

Quote Stirlingsays at 09 May 2015 9.23am

Anyway Nick....What on earth are you doing with a yellow card?

Opinion opponent or not we can't be having our resident lefties kicked out of Hol.

I used the t word

So the multiple times you've been told that you're talking sh!t and to f*ck off count for nothing then? Good old double standards.

Edited by imbored (09 May 2015 4.12pm)

Seconded, Nick could run off to the mods many a time from some of the stuff he gets called on here.

It's bad form that someone's reported him. The mods are right to come down on reported abuse.....But Gusset gets far far more than he gives out.

I agree wholeheartedly with that. Nick might fight on the other side of politics to many of us on here but that is his prerogative, BUT to get a yellow for calling someone a very mediocre word like he did after all the sh1te he gets thrown at him is quite laughable. I think he should have the yellow taken off immediately he just does not deserve it in my honest opinion....

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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legaleagle 10 May 15 11.00am
Quote Stirlingsays at 10 May 2015 9.34am Quote imbored at 09 May 2015 4.11pm Quote nickgusset at 09 May 2015 9.27am Quote Stirlingsays at 09 May 2015 9.23am Anyway Nick....What on earth are you doing with a yellow card? Opinion opponent or not we can't be having our resident lefties kicked out of Hol. I used the t word So the multiple times you've been told that you're talking sh!t and to f*ck off count for nothing then? Good old double standards. Edited by imbored (09 May 2015 4.12pm) Seconded, Nick could run off to the mods many a time from some of the stuff he gets called on here. It's bad form that someone's reported him. The mods are right to come down on reported abuse.....But Gusset gets far far more than he gives out. Do people generally only get carded for "personal abuse" if someone reports it or is it something the Mods do of their own volition? Does seem OTT that Nick G gets a card for using the t-word when others have regularly slagged people,especially Nick G off personally in a worse way with seemingly no card at all resulting...
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10 May 15 11.00am

Quote Stirlingsays at 10 May 2015 9.34am

Quote imbored at 09 May 2015 4.11pm

Quote nickgusset at 09 May 2015 9.27am

Quote Stirlingsays at 09 May 2015 9.23am

Anyway Nick....What on earth are you doing with a yellow card?

Opinion opponent or not we can't be having our resident lefties kicked out of Hol.

I used the t word

So the multiple times you've been told that you're talking sh!t and to f*ck off count for nothing then? Good old double standards.

Edited by imbored (09 May 2015 4.12pm)

Seconded, Nick could run off to the mods many a time from some of the stuff he gets called on here.

It's bad form that someone's reported him. The mods are right to come down on reported abuse.....But Gusset gets far far more than he gives out.

Do people generally only get carded for "personal abuse" if someone reports it or is it something the Mods do of their own volition?

Does seem OTT that Nick G gets a card for using the t-word when others have regularly slagged people,especially Nick G off personally in a worse way with seemingly no card at all resulting...

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Stirlingsays 10 May 15 11.02am
Quote Qwijibo at 10 May 2015 10.45am [Link] [Link] It's a fair point you've made and I'm not going to get into a never-ending debate, but how do you account for the two examples above? Both seem pretty straight-forward examples of hatred towards ethnic groups. Both cases could be accused of having an agenda from the media outlet's they're displayed on, but it's impossible to take the opinions of Duncan and Blay out of context. Voting UKIP may not be racist, but individual's within the party clearly are. That association is a little close for comfort for me. It concerns me that a party represents the opinion of 4m people yet cannot escape bigotry like these examples. These people probably voted Tory before Ukip turned up and yet there was no media 'witch hunt' for them in the past. So the implication is that wishing to have border controls means you are a racist......Even though this was the policy of this country for hundreds of years. Yes, there are racists in Ukip.....There are racists in the Tory party....There are even a few in Labour.....The point is that Ukip were and have been focused upon unfairly. Mainly because some of their opponents wish to portray voting for Ukip as a racist act. That was and is out of order. Any party that you vote for contains a certain number of people within it you probably woulnd't give the time of day too.....It doesn't mean you are them or that you shouldn't vote for that party. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 May 2015 11.03am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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These people probably voted Tory before Ukip turned up and yet there was no media 'witch hunt' for them in the past.

So the implication is that wishing to have border controls means you are a racist......Even though this was the policy of this country for hundreds of years.

Yes, there are racists in Ukip.....There are racists in the Tory party....There are even a few in Labour.....The point is that Ukip were and have been focused upon unfairly.

Mainly because some of their opponents wish to portray voting for Ukip as a racist act.

That was and is out of order.

Any party that you vote for contains a certain number of people within it you probably woulnd't give the time of day too.....It doesn't mean you are them or that you shouldn't vote for that party.

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legaleagle 10 May 15 11.04am
Quote Stirlingsays at 10 May 2015 10.54am Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 May 2015 10.46am csx In fairness, a number of UKIP candidates were racist, such as the guy who objected to a UK citizen being an MP and possible future PM and said he'd shoot him. UKIP as a party aren't racist, but more than a few of its supporters and members are. Point taken. Though I think the extent can be argued on.....The media and commentators were very willing to focus only upon the nutters. It isn't a fair representation. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 May 2015 10.56am) and equally UKIP is not without people who do appear to be against immigrants from other cultures,seemingly believing their presence to "undermine" our "traditional British culture"...which doesn't mean everyone who voted for UKIP takes that view... Edited by legaleagle (10 May 2015 11.04am)
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csx

In fairness, a number of UKIP candidates were racist, such as the guy who objected to a UK citizen being an MP and possible future PM and said he'd shoot him.

UKIP as a party aren't racist, but more than a few of its supporters and members are.

Point taken.

Though I think the extent can be argued on.....The media and commentators were very willing to focus only upon the nutters.

It isn't a fair representation.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 May 2015 10.56am)

and equally UKIP is not without people who do appear to be against immigrants from other cultures,seemingly believing their presence to "undermine" our "traditional British culture"...which doesn't mean everyone who voted for UKIP takes that view...

Edited by legaleagle (10 May 2015 11.04am)

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