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sxp55 South Norwood 07 Mar 15 12.42pm
gotta find someone to blame. me personally - i blame old people. they seem to be the main culprits. @sxp55555
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South Norwood 07 Mar 15 12.42pm

gotta find someone to blame. me personally - i blame old people. they seem to be the main culprits.

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Percy of Peckham Eton Mess 07 Mar 15 1.03pm
Quote legaleagle at 07 Mar 2015 12.38pm Politically,I "hated" Thatcher.But I had a friend who worked as a civil servant in No 10 at the time who said she was a very decent and considerate person to work for on a one to one basis ,compared to many other politicians. I've heard that she was a total power freak and would use any situation to protect her position and family [somebody in particular was up to no good or maybe he was deliberately drawn into nefarious business activity]. It could well be that it was convenient to turn a blind eye but more likely that the very people she would turn to were already complicit and able to control her? Who knows? Denial is not just a river in Egypt!
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Quote legaleagle at 07 Mar 2015 12.38pm

Politically,I "hated" Thatcher.But I had a friend who worked as a civil servant in No 10 at the time who said she was a very decent and considerate person to work for on a one to one basis ,compared to many other politicians.

I've heard that she was a total power freak and would use any situation to protect her position and family [somebody in particular was up to no good or maybe he was deliberately drawn into nefarious business activity]. It could well be that it was convenient to turn a blind eye but more likely that the very people she would turn to were already complicit and able to control her? Who knows?

Denial is not just a river in Egypt!

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Stirlingsays 07 Mar 15 1.15pm
Quote nickgusset at 07 Mar 2015 12.03pm Did you read the earlier link? Have you read the reports in the press about files disappearing somewhat conveniently? I think evidence is adding up. You it would seem don't. Why? Maybe it's to do with the lack of evidence.....Where's your evidence that evidence has been lost deliberately? Indeed, evidence against who? What? Was it even 'evidence'? I take my position because I believe in justice being fair to all parties and based upon rationality and proof. I don't like finger pointing and rumour mongering being regarded as valid positions. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Mar 2015 1.17pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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07 Mar 15 1.15pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Mar 2015 12.03pm

Did you read the earlier link? Have you read the reports in the press about files disappearing somewhat conveniently? I think evidence is adding up. You it would seem don't. Why?

Maybe it's to do with the lack of evidence.....Where's your evidence that evidence has been lost deliberately?
Indeed, evidence against who? What? Was it even 'evidence'?

I take my position because I believe in justice being fair to all parties and based upon rationality and proof.

I don't like finger pointing and rumour mongering being regarded as valid positions.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Mar 2015 1.17pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Mar 15 1.21pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Mar 2015 1.15pm Quote nickgusset at 07 Mar 2015 12.03pm Did you read the earlier link? Have you read the reports in the press about files disappearing somewhat conveniently? I think evidence is adding up. You it would seem don't. Why? Maybe it's to do with the lack of evidence.....Where's your evidence that evidence has been lost deliberately? Indeed, evidence against who? What? Was it even 'evidence'? I take my position because I believe in justice being fair to all parties and based upon rationality and proof. I don't like finger pointing and rumour mongering being regarded as valid positions. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Mar 2015 1.17pm) No smoke without fire...
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Shizzlehurst 07 Mar 15 1.21pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Mar 2015 1.15pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Mar 2015 12.03pm

Did you read the earlier link? Have you read the reports in the press about files disappearing somewhat conveniently? I think evidence is adding up. You it would seem don't. Why?

Maybe it's to do with the lack of evidence.....Where's your evidence that evidence has been lost deliberately?
Indeed, evidence against who? What? Was it even 'evidence'?

I take my position because I believe in justice being fair to all parties and based upon rationality and proof.

I don't like finger pointing and rumour mongering being regarded as valid positions.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Mar 2015 1.17pm)

No smoke without fire...

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matt_himself Matataland 07 Mar 15 1.49pm
Quote nickgusset at 07 Mar 2015 1.21pm Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Mar 2015 1.15pm Quote nickgusset at 07 Mar 2015 12.03pm Did you read the earlier link? Have you read the reports in the press about files disappearing somewhat conveniently? I think evidence is adding up. You it would seem don't. Why? Maybe it's to do with the lack of evidence.....Where's your evidence that evidence has been lost deliberately? Indeed, evidence against who? What? Was it even 'evidence'? I take my position because I believe in justice being fair to all parties and based upon rationality and proof. I don't like finger pointing and rumour mongering being regarded as valid positions. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Mar 2015 1.17pm) No smoke without fire... I thought you were generally against people making accusations without evidence or labelling people unnecessarily? This just adds to my view that you haven't got a clue what you think you believe in and are filled with as many, if not more, prejudices than everyone else but make yourself feel better about it by attempting to project a 'right on' image of yourself. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 07 Mar 15 1.49pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Mar 2015 1.21pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Mar 2015 1.15pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Mar 2015 12.03pm

Did you read the earlier link? Have you read the reports in the press about files disappearing somewhat conveniently? I think evidence is adding up. You it would seem don't. Why?

Maybe it's to do with the lack of evidence.....Where's your evidence that evidence has been lost deliberately?
Indeed, evidence against who? What? Was it even 'evidence'?

I take my position because I believe in justice being fair to all parties and based upon rationality and proof.

I don't like finger pointing and rumour mongering being regarded as valid positions.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Mar 2015 1.17pm)

No smoke without fire...

I thought you were generally against people making accusations without evidence or labelling people unnecessarily?

This just adds to my view that you haven't got a clue what you think you believe in and are filled with as many, if not more, prejudices than everyone else but make yourself feel better about it by attempting to project a 'right on' image of yourself.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Stirlingsays 07 Mar 15 2.18pm
Quote nickgusset at 07 Mar 2015 1.21pm No smoke without fire... Even the saying is wrong. You do get smoke without fire.....Anyone who's rubbed two appropriately dry sticks together for long enough knows that you get plenty of smoke long before you get fire. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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07 Mar 15 2.18pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Mar 2015 1.21pm

No smoke without fire...

Even the saying is wrong.

You do get smoke without fire.....Anyone who's rubbed two appropriately dry sticks together for long enough knows that you get plenty of smoke long before you get fire.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Mar 15 2.20pm
Quote matt_himself at 07 Mar 2015 1.49pm Quote nickgusset at 07 Mar 2015 1.21pm Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Mar 2015 1.15pm Quote nickgusset at 07 Mar 2015 12.03pm Did you read the earlier link? Have you read the reports in the press about files disappearing somewhat conveniently? I think evidence is adding up. You it would seem don't. Why? Maybe it's to do with the lack of evidence.....Where's your evidence that evidence has been lost deliberately? Indeed, evidence against who? What? Was it even 'evidence'? I take my position because I believe in justice being fair to all parties and based upon rationality and proof. I don't like finger pointing and rumour mongering being regarded as valid positions. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Mar 2015 1.17pm) No smoke without fire... I thought you were generally against people making accusations without evidence or labelling people unnecessarily? This just adds to my view that you haven't got a clue what you think you believe in and are filled with as many, if not more, prejudices than everyone else but make yourself feel better about it by attempting to project a 'right on' image of yourself. Really. How interesting.
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Shizzlehurst 07 Mar 15 2.20pm

Quote matt_himself at 07 Mar 2015 1.49pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Mar 2015 1.21pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Mar 2015 1.15pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Mar 2015 12.03pm

Did you read the earlier link? Have you read the reports in the press about files disappearing somewhat conveniently? I think evidence is adding up. You it would seem don't. Why?

Maybe it's to do with the lack of evidence.....Where's your evidence that evidence has been lost deliberately?
Indeed, evidence against who? What? Was it even 'evidence'?

I take my position because I believe in justice being fair to all parties and based upon rationality and proof.

I don't like finger pointing and rumour mongering being regarded as valid positions.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Mar 2015 1.17pm)

No smoke without fire...

I thought you were generally against people making accusations without evidence or labelling people unnecessarily?

Really. How interesting.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Mar 15 4.08pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Mar 2015 2.18pm Quote nickgusset at 07 Mar 2015 1.21pm No smoke without fire... Even the saying is wrong. You do get smoke without fire.....Anyone who's rubbed two appropriately dry sticks together for long enough knows that you get plenty of smoke long before you get fire. Pedantist deflectionism.
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Shizzlehurst 07 Mar 15 4.08pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Mar 2015 2.18pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Mar 2015 1.21pm

No smoke without fire...

Even the saying is wrong.

You do get smoke without fire.....Anyone who's rubbed two appropriately dry sticks together for long enough knows that you get plenty of smoke long before you get fire.

Pedantist deflectionism.

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legaleagle 07 Mar 15 4.34pm
Quote Percy of Peckham at 07 Mar 2015 1.03pm Quote legaleagle at 07 Mar 2015 12.38pm Politically,I "hated" Thatcher.But I had a friend who worked as a civil servant in No 10 at the time who said she was a very decent and considerate person to work for on a one to one basis ,compared to many other politicians. I've heard that she was a total power freak and would use any situation to protect her position and family [somebody in particular was up to no good or maybe he was deliberately drawn into nefarious business activity]. It could well be that it was convenient to turn a blind eye but more likely that the very people she would turn to were already complicit and able to control her? Who knows? I don't disagree with you at all.I was talking in terms of someone relatively junior in contact with her regularly in a quasi "employee" type situation where there was nothing to "protect" and thought it would be wrong to leave that out because it conflicted with my political and personal perception of her. I worked at the Houses of Parliament at that time and quite a few politicians of all parties treated such people in my experience like sh1t. I completely agree with you in terms of Thatcher (like so many prominent politicians) protecting matters relating to potential political/personal damage,whether involving family,civil servants, politicians or anyone else.Personally,but never having met her,I found her "unbearable" as an individual. Edited by legaleagle (07 Mar 2015 5.17pm)
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07 Mar 15 4.34pm

Quote Percy of Peckham at 07 Mar 2015 1.03pm

Quote legaleagle at 07 Mar 2015 12.38pm

I don't disagree with you at all.I was talking in terms of someone relatively junior in contact with her regularly in a quasi "employee" type situation where there was nothing to "protect" and thought it would be wrong to leave that out because it conflicted with my political and personal perception of her. I worked at the Houses of Parliament at that time and quite a few politicians of all parties treated such people in my experience like sh1t.

I completely agree with you in terms of Thatcher (like so many prominent politicians) protecting matters relating to potential political/personal damage,whether involving family,civil servants, politicians or anyone else.Personally,but never having met her,I found her "unbearable" as an individual.

Edited by legaleagle (07 Mar 2015 5.17pm)

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Stirlingsays 07 Mar 15 8.34pm
Quote nickgusset at 07 Mar 2015 4.08pm Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Mar 2015 2.18pm Quote nickgusset at 07 Mar 2015 1.21pm No smoke without fire... Even the saying is wrong. You do get smoke without fire.....Anyone who's rubbed two appropriately dry sticks together for long enough knows that you get plenty of smoke long before you get fire. Pedantist deflectionism. For once we agree on something. I'm right........And you're left. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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07 Mar 15 8.34pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Mar 2015 4.08pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Mar 2015 2.18pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Mar 2015 1.21pm

No smoke without fire...

Even the saying is wrong.

You do get smoke without fire.....Anyone who's rubbed two appropriately dry sticks together for long enough knows that you get plenty of smoke long before you get fire.

Pedantist deflectionism.

For once we agree on something.

I'm right........And you're left.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 08 Mar 15 10.41am
Quote matt_himself at 07 Mar 2015 1.49pm Quote nickgusset at 07 Mar 2015 1.21pm Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Mar 2015 1.15pm Quote nickgusset at 07 Mar 2015 12.03pm Did you read the earlier link? Have you read the reports in the press about files disappearing somewhat conveniently? I think evidence is adding up. You it would seem don't. Why? Maybe it's to do with the lack of evidence.....Where's your evidence that evidence has been lost deliberately? Indeed, evidence against who? What? Was it even 'evidence'? I take my position because I believe in justice being fair to all parties and based upon rationality and proof. I don't like finger pointing and rumour mongering being regarded as valid positions. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Mar 2015 1.17pm) No smoke without fire... I thought you were generally against people making accusations without evidence or labelling people unnecessarily? This just adds to my view that you haven't got a clue what you think you believe in and are filled with as many, if not more, prejudices than everyone else but make yourself feel better about it by attempting to project a 'right on' image of yourself. Making it up eh? Today's paper. Attachment: DSC_0614.JPG (1,896.69Kb)
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Shizzlehurst 08 Mar 15 10.41am

Quote matt_himself at 07 Mar 2015 1.49pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Mar 2015 1.21pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 07 Mar 2015 1.15pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Mar 2015 12.03pm

Did you read the earlier link? Have you read the reports in the press about files disappearing somewhat conveniently? I think evidence is adding up. You it would seem don't. Why?

Maybe it's to do with the lack of evidence.....Where's your evidence that evidence has been lost deliberately?
Indeed, evidence against who? What? Was it even 'evidence'?

I take my position because I believe in justice being fair to all parties and based upon rationality and proof.

I don't like finger pointing and rumour mongering being regarded as valid positions.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Mar 2015 1.17pm)

No smoke without fire...

I thought you were generally against people making accusations without evidence or labelling people unnecessarily?

Making it up eh? Today's paper.

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 08 Mar 15 5.46pm
This isn't just a left v right argument. Margaret Hosge has some questions to answer Bryn Alyn was on Labours watch the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 08 Mar 15 5.46pm

This isn't just a left v right argument.

Margaret Hosge has some questions to answer

Bryn Alyn was on Labours watch

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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