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elgrande bedford 07 Sep 15 6.08pm
Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 5.48pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 07 Sep 2015 1.08pm Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 12.26pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 07 Sep 2015 12.21pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 Sep 2015 11.27am Quote dannyh at 07 Sep 2015 10.41am meanwhile we have 90,000 + children homeless living in shelters, B&B's and hostels. It is reported that as many as 9,000 war veterans are among Britains homeless which I belive as a total is about 10% of Britains total homeless figure. But heyt fcuk it, lets have 10,000 people already in a camp in shelter and safe from harm, (that are from a country that isnt as f*ed up as eveyone seems to think, try Sierra Leone, now thats fed.) jump the cue and have the red carpet rolled out for them. Why ? Why are our own children, veterans who fought for the country, and British people being treated as second class citizens, being largely ignored.* Sickens me to my stomach. A very valid question in its own right, but irrelevant to the migration problem. The Conservatives have solved Child Poverty by redefining it (Labour were no better). Fact is even if we took back all that foreign aid and never allowed a single refugee or immigrant into the UK, the problems of suffering facing children, adults and veteran's would just continue same as it always has. Successive governments have had 25 plus years to solve the increasing problems of homelessness and child poverty and its only gotten worse. But hey, at least we had tax cuts..... It is a disgrace in a wealthy country like ours and we are all to blame in one sense. I often wonder why we spend so much money on the British Olympic team for example when some are homeless. I can only imagine that the realities of dealing with homelessness and child poverty are far more complex than they appear. Surely any government would want to fix it if it were simple. Throwing money at it alone is not ther solution I suspect. 600000 empty homes in the UK and we can't solve the homeless crisis... Someone owns those homes as they are perfectly entitled to do. That is capitalism. Would you advocate taking those houses away from their owners ? If I had my way, yes. Obviously there would be financial compensation. Unless they put the houses to the use for which they are intended, ie habitation, rather than as an 'asset' / 'investment' It is morally scandalous that houses lie empty while there are people on the street. Edited by nickgusset (07 Sep 2015 5.49pm) Sorry nick,that;s just more anti capitalist bull. While I agree having 1000s of houses lying empty is wrong. These people have bought the properties with their own money. the true moral issue is the absolute neglect that this party and all the other parties have totally refused to build more social housing. Now I agreed with Thatcher about the right to buy( I still do) but more housing should have been built then and still now,you cannot take away that amout of housing stock and not replace it without problems. And the more people coming to this country demand increases all the time. So where do you suggest this new 20.000 will be housed. In somebodies house that they have paid for,who are proberly using it as a pension( we are not all on gold plated pensions). So just to summerise .......where the f*** are these people gonna go....and this is just the first lot. Schools housing healthcare housing. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 07 Sep 15 6.08pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 5.48pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 07 Sep 2015 1.08pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 12.26pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 07 Sep 2015 12.21pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 Sep 2015 11.27am

Quote dannyh at 07 Sep 2015 10.41am

meanwhile we have 90,000 + children homeless living in shelters, B&B's and hostels.

It is reported that as many as 9,000 war veterans are among Britains homeless which I belive as a total is about 10% of Britains total homeless figure.

But heyt fcuk it, lets have 10,000 people already in a camp in shelter and safe from harm, (that are from a country that isnt as f***ed up as eveyone seems to think, try Sierra Leone, now thats f***ed.) jump the cue and have the red carpet rolled out for them.

Why ?

Why are our own children, veterans who fought for the country, and British people being treated as second class citizens, being largely ignored.

Sickens me to my stomach.

A very valid question in its own right, but irrelevant to the migration problem. The Conservatives have solved Child Poverty by redefining it (Labour were no better).

Fact is even if we took back all that foreign aid and never allowed a single refugee or immigrant into the UK, the problems of suffering facing children, adults and veteran's would just continue same as it always has.

Successive governments have had 25 plus years to solve the increasing problems of homelessness and child poverty and its only gotten worse. But hey, at least we had tax cuts.....

It is a disgrace in a wealthy country like ours and we are all to blame in one sense.
I often wonder why we spend so much money on the British Olympic team for example when some are homeless.
I can only imagine that the realities of dealing with homelessness and child poverty are far more complex than they appear. Surely any government would want to fix it if it were simple. Throwing money at it alone is not ther solution I suspect.

600000 empty homes in the UK and we can't solve the homeless crisis...

Someone owns those homes as they are perfectly entitled to do. That is capitalism. Would you advocate taking those houses away from their owners ?

If I had my way, yes. Obviously there would be financial compensation. Unless they put the houses to the use for which they are intended, ie habitation, rather than as an 'asset' / 'investment'
It is morally scandalous that houses lie empty while there are people on the street.

Edited by nickgusset (07 Sep 2015 5.49pm)

Sorry nick,that;s just more anti capitalist bull.
While I agree having 1000s of houses lying empty is wrong.
These people have bought the properties with their own money.
the true moral issue is the absolute neglect that this party and all the other parties have totally refused to build more social housing.
Now I agreed with Thatcher about the right to buy( I still do) but more housing should have been built then and still now,you cannot take away that amout of housing stock and not replace it without problems.
And the more people coming to this country demand increases all the time.

So where do you suggest this new 20.000 will be housed.
In somebodies house that they have paid for,who are proberly using it as a pension( we are not all on gold plated pensions).
So just to summerise .......where the f*** are these people gonna go....and this is just the first lot.
Schools housing healthcare housing.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Stirlingsays 07 Sep 15 6.13pm
Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 6.06pm Corbyn is the only (high profile) MP saying this, you agree with it in principle, yet deride him. While I think Corbyn is being unrealistic on housing I applaud him for wanting to tackle the problem......No one else gives this disaster anything other than effectively warm words. No, what I deride him for is his other policies. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Sep 2015 6.14pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 6.06pm

Corbyn is the only (high profile) MP saying this, you agree with it in principle, yet deride him.

While I think Corbyn is being unrealistic on housing I applaud him for wanting to tackle the problem......No one else gives this disaster anything other than effectively warm words.

No, what I deride him for is his other policies.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Sep 2015 6.14pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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farms Thailand / England 07 Sep 15 6.15pm
I have been reading Nickgusset and legaleagle posts on here , by the the looks of it ,they are young left wingers have not experienced the hardship of life . Typical of youngsters being bought up this day of age.Brain washed by the goverments of there time . Sorry Nick , Legal listen to the Hungarian prime minster wish ours was the same .
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Thailand / England 07 Sep 15 6.15pm

I have been reading Nickgusset and legaleagle posts on here , by the the looks of it ,they are young left wingers have not experienced the hardship of life . Typical of youngsters being bought up this day of age.Brain washed by the goverments of there time . Sorry Nick , Legal listen to the Hungarian prime minster wish ours was the same .

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Sep 15 6.16pm
Quote elgrande at 07 Sep 2015 6.08pm Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 5.48pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 07 Sep 2015 1.08pm Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 12.26pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 07 Sep 2015 12.21pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 Sep 2015 11.27am Quote dannyh at 07 Sep 2015 10.41am meanwhile we have 90,000 + children homeless living in shelters, B&B's and hostels. It is reported that as many as 9,000 war veterans are among Britains homeless which I belive as a total is about 10% of Britains total homeless figure. But heyt fcuk it, lets have 10,000 people already in a camp in shelter and safe from harm, (that are from a country that isnt as f*ed up as eveyone seems to think, try Sierra Leone, now thats fed.) jump the cue and have the red carpet rolled out for them. Why ? Why are our own children, veterans who fought for the country, and British people being treated as second class citizens, being largely ignored.* Sickens me to my stomach. A very valid question in its own right, but irrelevant to the migration problem. The Conservatives have solved Child Poverty by redefining it (Labour were no better). Fact is even if we took back all that foreign aid and never allowed a single refugee or immigrant into the UK, the problems of suffering facing children, adults and veteran's would just continue same as it always has. Successive governments have had 25 plus years to solve the increasing problems of homelessness and child poverty and its only gotten worse. But hey, at least we had tax cuts..... It is a disgrace in a wealthy country like ours and we are all to blame in one sense. I often wonder why we spend so much money on the British Olympic team for example when some are homeless. I can only imagine that the realities of dealing with homelessness and child poverty are far more complex than they appear. Surely any government would want to fix it if it were simple. Throwing money at it alone is not ther solution I suspect. 600000 empty homes in the UK and we can't solve the homeless crisis... Someone owns those homes as they are perfectly entitled to do. That is capitalism. Would you advocate taking those houses away from their owners ? If I had my way, yes. Obviously there would be financial compensation. Unless they put the houses to the use for which they are intended, ie habitation, rather than as an 'asset' / 'investment' It is morally scandalous that houses lie empty while there are people on the street. Edited by nickgusset (07 Sep 2015 5.49pm) Sorry nick,that;s just more anti capitalist bull. While I agree having 1000s of houses lying empty is wrong. These people have bought the properties with their own money. the true moral issue is the absolute neglect that this party and all the other parties have totally refused to build more social housing. Now I agreed with Thatcher about the right to buy( I still do) but more housing should have been built then and still now,you cannot take away that amout of housing stock and not replace it without problems. And the more people coming to this country demand increases all the time. So where do you suggest this new 20.000 will be housed. In somebodies house that they have paid for,who are proberly using it as a pension( we are not all on gold plated pensions). So just to summerise .......where the f* are these people gonna go....and this is just the first lot. Schools housing healthcare housing. Are you saying houses don't increase in value if people live in them? The owners would also get rent. We live in a nation riddled with selfish csc**s who put money before people.
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Shizzlehurst 07 Sep 15 6.16pm

Quote elgrande at 07 Sep 2015 6.08pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 5.48pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 07 Sep 2015 1.08pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 12.26pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 07 Sep 2015 12.21pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 Sep 2015 11.27am

Quote dannyh at 07 Sep 2015 10.41am

meanwhile we have 90,000 + children homeless living in shelters, B&B's and hostels.

It is reported that as many as 9,000 war veterans are among Britains homeless which I belive as a total is about 10% of Britains total homeless figure.

Why ?

Why are our own children, veterans who fought for the country, and British people being treated as second class citizens, being largely ignored.

Sickens me to my stomach.

A very valid question in its own right, but irrelevant to the migration problem. The Conservatives have solved Child Poverty by redefining it (Labour were no better).

Successive governments have had 25 plus years to solve the increasing problems of homelessness and child poverty and its only gotten worse. But hey, at least we had tax cuts.....

600000 empty homes in the UK and we can't solve the homeless crisis...

Someone owns those homes as they are perfectly entitled to do. That is capitalism. Would you advocate taking those houses away from their owners ?

Edited by nickgusset (07 Sep 2015 5.49pm)

Are you saying houses don't increase in value if people live in them? The owners would also get rent.

We live in a nation riddled with selfish c***sc***s who put money before people.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Sep 15 6.17pm
Quote farms at 07 Sep 2015 6.15pm I have been reading Nickgusset and legaleagle posts on here , by the the looks of it ,they are young left wingers have not experienced the hardship of life . Typical of youngsters being bought up this day of age.Brain washed by the goverments of there time . Sorry Nick , Legal listen to the Hungarian prime minster wish ours was the same . Farms you are wide of the mark.
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Quote farms at 07 Sep 2015 6.15pm

Farms you are wide of the mark.

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 07 Sep 15 6.18pm
Quote farms at 07 Sep 2015 6.15pm I have been reading Nickgusset and legaleagle posts on here , by the the looks of it ,they are young left wingers have not experienced the hardship of life . Typical of youngsters being bought up this day of age.Brain washed by the goverments of there time . Sorry Nick , Legal listen to the Hungarian prime minster wish ours was the same . Lol - I dont think that is the case but i'm sure they will both be flattered. I think they are both pretty decent guys, I just dont ever seem to agree with either them, maybe sometimes with Nick when its about music. "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Quote farms at 07 Sep 2015 6.15pm

I have been reading Nickgusset and legaleagle posts on here , by the the looks of it ,they are young left wingers have not experienced the hardship of life . Typical of youngsters being bought up this day of age.Brain washed by the goverments of there time . Sorry Nick , Legal listen to the Hungarian prime minster wish ours was the same .

Lol - I dont think that is the case but i'm sure they will both be flattered. I think they are both pretty decent guys, I just dont ever seem to agree with either them, maybe sometimes with Nick when its about music.

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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oldcodger 07 Sep 15 6.21pm
Quote farms at 07 Sep 2015 6.15pm I have been reading Nickgusset and legaleagle posts on here , by the the looks of it ,they are young left wingers have not experienced the hardship of life . Typical of youngsters being bought up this day of age.Brain washed by the goverments of there time . Sorry Nick , Legal listen to the Hungarian prime minster wish ours was the same . They both seem quite fair from what I've read. Besides, life is all about balance. Everything is in flux. You're going to get the 'swivel eyed' right wingers, the 'loonie left' and all that's in between. To an extent the extremes of both cancel each other out. Thank God. There's lots of 'the left' this, the 'left' that on here. Same for the right I assume. Sometimes you have to hold up a mirror to your own values though, not just other peoples. Edited by oldcodger (07 Sep 2015 6.23pm)
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Quote farms at 07 Sep 2015 6.15pm

They both seem quite fair from what I've read.

Besides, life is all about balance. Everything is in flux. You're going to get the 'swivel eyed' right wingers, the 'loonie left' and all that's in between. To an extent the extremes of both cancel each other out. Thank God.

There's lots of 'the left' this, the 'left' that on here. Same for the right I assume. Sometimes you have to hold up a mirror to your own values though, not just other peoples.

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elgrande bedford 07 Sep 15 6.22pm
Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 6.16pm Quote elgrande at 07 Sep 2015 6.08pm Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 5.48pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 07 Sep 2015 1.08pm Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 12.26pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 07 Sep 2015 12.21pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 Sep 2015 11.27am Quote dannyh at 07 Sep 2015 10.41am meanwhile we have 90,000 + children homeless living in shelters, B&B's and hostels. It is reported that as many as 9,000 war veterans are among Britains homeless which I belive as a total is about 10% of Britains total homeless figure. But heyt fcuk it, lets have 10,000 people already in a camp in shelter and safe from harm, (that are from a country that isnt as f*ed up as eveyone seems to think, try Sierra Leone, now thats fed.) jump the cue and have the red carpet rolled out for them. Why ? Why are our own children, veterans who fought for the country, and British people being treated as second class citizens, being largely ignored.* Sickens me to my stomach. A very valid question in its own right, but irrelevant to the migration problem. The Conservatives have solved Child Poverty by redefining it (Labour were no better). Fact is even if we took back all that foreign aid and never allowed a single refugee or immigrant into the UK, the problems of suffering facing children, adults and veteran's would just continue same as it always has. Successive governments have had 25 plus years to solve the increasing problems of homelessness and child poverty and its only gotten worse. But hey, at least we had tax cuts..... It is a disgrace in a wealthy country like ours and we are all to blame in one sense. I often wonder why we spend so much money on the British Olympic team for example when some are homeless. I can only imagine that the realities of dealing with homelessness and child poverty are far more complex than they appear. Surely any government would want to fix it if it were simple. Throwing money at it alone is not ther solution I suspect. 600000 empty homes in the UK and we can't solve the homeless crisis... Someone owns those homes as they are perfectly entitled to do. That is capitalism. Would you advocate taking those houses away from their owners ? If I had my way, yes. Obviously there would be financial compensation. Unless they put the houses to the use for which they are intended, ie habitation, rather than as an 'asset' / 'investment' It is morally scandalous that houses lie empty while there are people on the street. Edited by nickgusset (07 Sep 2015 5.49pm) Sorry nick,that;s just more anti capitalist bull. While I agree having 1000s of houses lying empty is wrong. These people have bought the properties with their own money. the true moral issue is the absolute neglect that this party and all the other parties have totally refused to build more social housing. Now I agreed with Thatcher about the right to buy( I still do) but more housing should have been built then and still now,you cannot take away that amout of housing stock and not replace it without problems. And the more people coming to this country demand increases all the time. So where do you suggest this new 20.000 will be housed. In somebodies house that they have paid for,who are proberly using it as a pension( we are not all on gold plated pensions). So just to summerise .......where the f* are these people gonna go....and this is just the first lot. Schools housing healthcare housing. Are you saying houses don't increase in value if people live in them? The owners would also get rent. We live in a nation riddled with selfish csc**s who put money before people. People can not afford private rents,and a lot of people don't like renting because of hassles that can occour. The answer is to buid more social housing......But to claim that doughnut JC will build 240.000 houses a year.really I don't think so. Wheres the money going to come from. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 07 Sep 15 6.22pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 6.16pm

Quote elgrande at 07 Sep 2015 6.08pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 5.48pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 07 Sep 2015 1.08pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 12.26pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 07 Sep 2015 12.21pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 Sep 2015 11.27am

Quote dannyh at 07 Sep 2015 10.41am

meanwhile we have 90,000 + children homeless living in shelters, B&B's and hostels.

It is reported that as many as 9,000 war veterans are among Britains homeless which I belive as a total is about 10% of Britains total homeless figure.

Why ?

Why are our own children, veterans who fought for the country, and British people being treated as second class citizens, being largely ignored.

Sickens me to my stomach.

A very valid question in its own right, but irrelevant to the migration problem. The Conservatives have solved Child Poverty by redefining it (Labour were no better).

Successive governments have had 25 plus years to solve the increasing problems of homelessness and child poverty and its only gotten worse. But hey, at least we had tax cuts.....

600000 empty homes in the UK and we can't solve the homeless crisis...

Someone owns those homes as they are perfectly entitled to do. That is capitalism. Would you advocate taking those houses away from their owners ?

Edited by nickgusset (07 Sep 2015 5.49pm)

Are you saying houses don't increase in value if people live in them? The owners would also get rent.

We live in a nation riddled with selfish c***sc***s who put money before people.

People can not afford private rents,and a lot of people don't like renting because of hassles that can occour.
The answer is to buid more social housing......But to claim that doughnut JC will build 240.000 houses a year.really I don't think so.
Wheres the money going to come from.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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farms Thailand / England 07 Sep 15 6.23pm
Quote Tom-the-eagle at 07 Sep 2015 6.18pm Quote farms at 07 Sep 2015 6.15pm I have been reading Nickgusset and legaleagle posts on here , by the the looks of it ,they are young left wingers have not experienced the hardship of life . Typical of youngsters being bought up this day of age.Brain washed by the goverments of there time . Sorry Nick , Legal listen to the Hungarian prime minster wish ours was the same . Lol - I dont think that is the case but i'm sure they will both be flattered. I think they are both pretty decent guys, I just dont ever seem to agree with either them, maybe sometimes with Nick when its about music. Lol just wanted to wind nick up , all done in good taste .
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farms

Thailand / England 07 Sep 15 6.23pm

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 07 Sep 2015 6.18pm

Quote farms at 07 Sep 2015 6.15pm

Lol just wanted to wind nick up , all done in good taste .

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Sep 15 6.30pm
Quote elgrande at 07 Sep 2015 6.22pm Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 6.16pm Quote elgrande at 07 Sep 2015 6.08pm Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 5.48pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 07 Sep 2015 1.08pm Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 12.26pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 07 Sep 2015 12.21pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 Sep 2015 11.27am Quote dannyh at 07 Sep 2015 10.41am meanwhile we have 90,000 + children homeless living in shelters, B&B's and hostels. It is reported that as many as 9,000 war veterans are among Britains homeless which I belive as a total is about 10% of Britains total homeless figure. But heyt fcuk it, lets have 10,000 people already in a camp in shelter and safe from harm, (that are from a country that isnt as f*ed up as eveyone seems to think, try Sierra Leone, now thats fed.) jump the cue and have the red carpet rolled out for them. Why ? Why are our own children, veterans who fought for the country, and British people being treated as second class citizens, being largely ignored.* Sickens me to my stomach. A very valid question in its own right, but irrelevant to the migration problem. The Conservatives have solved Child Poverty by redefining it (Labour were no better). Fact is even if we took back all that foreign aid and never allowed a single refugee or immigrant into the UK, the problems of suffering facing children, adults and veteran's would just continue same as it always has. Successive governments have had 25 plus years to solve the increasing problems of homelessness and child poverty and its only gotten worse. But hey, at least we had tax cuts..... It is a disgrace in a wealthy country like ours and we are all to blame in one sense. I often wonder why we spend so much money on the British Olympic team for example when some are homeless. I can only imagine that the realities of dealing with homelessness and child poverty are far more complex than they appear. Surely any government would want to fix it if it were simple. Throwing money at it alone is not ther solution I suspect. 600000 empty homes in the UK and we can't solve the homeless crisis... Someone owns those homes as they are perfectly entitled to do. That is capitalism. Would you advocate taking those houses away from their owners ? If I had my way, yes. Obviously there would be financial compensation. Unless they put the houses to the use for which they are intended, ie habitation, rather than as an 'asset' / 'investment' It is morally scandalous that houses lie empty while there are people on the street. Edited by nickgusset (07 Sep 2015 5.49pm) Sorry nick,that;s just more anti capitalist bull. While I agree having 1000s of houses lying empty is wrong. These people have bought the properties with their own money. the true moral issue is the absolute neglect that this party and all the other parties have totally refused to build more social housing. Now I agreed with Thatcher about the right to buy( I still do) but more housing should have been built then and still now,you cannot take away that amout of housing stock and not replace it without problems. And the more people coming to this country demand increases all the time. So where do you suggest this new 20.000 will be housed. In somebodies house that they have paid for,who are proberly using it as a pension( we are not all on gold plated pensions). So just to summerise .......where the f* are these people gonna go....and this is just the first lot. Schools housing healthcare housing. Are you saying houses don't increase in value if people live in them? The owners would also get rent. We live in a nation riddled with selfish csc**s who put money before people. People can not afford private rents,and a lot of people don't like renting because of hassles that can occour. The answer is to buid more social housing......But to claim that doughnut JC will build 240.000 houses a year.really I don't think so. Wheres the money going to come from. The answer is to sort out the dodgy landlords then surely. Again Corbyn addresses this. Having somewhere to live is a basic human need. The market and successive government have ensured that it is not the case for many.
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Shizzlehurst 07 Sep 15 6.30pm

Quote elgrande at 07 Sep 2015 6.22pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 6.16pm

Quote elgrande at 07 Sep 2015 6.08pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 5.48pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 07 Sep 2015 1.08pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 12.26pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 07 Sep 2015 12.21pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 Sep 2015 11.27am

Quote dannyh at 07 Sep 2015 10.41am

meanwhile we have 90,000 + children homeless living in shelters, B&B's and hostels.

It is reported that as many as 9,000 war veterans are among Britains homeless which I belive as a total is about 10% of Britains total homeless figure.

Why ?

Why are our own children, veterans who fought for the country, and British people being treated as second class citizens, being largely ignored.

Sickens me to my stomach.

A very valid question in its own right, but irrelevant to the migration problem. The Conservatives have solved Child Poverty by redefining it (Labour were no better).

Successive governments have had 25 plus years to solve the increasing problems of homelessness and child poverty and its only gotten worse. But hey, at least we had tax cuts.....

600000 empty homes in the UK and we can't solve the homeless crisis...

Someone owns those homes as they are perfectly entitled to do. That is capitalism. Would you advocate taking those houses away from their owners ?

Edited by nickgusset (07 Sep 2015 5.49pm)

Are you saying houses don't increase in value if people live in them? The owners would also get rent.

We live in a nation riddled with selfish c***sc***s who put money before people.

The answer is to sort out the dodgy landlords then surely. Again Corbyn addresses this. Having somewhere to live is a basic human need. The market and successive government have ensured that it is not the case for many.

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elgrande bedford 07 Sep 15 6.33pm
Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 6.30pm Quote elgrande at 07 Sep 2015 6.22pm Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 6.16pm Quote elgrande at 07 Sep 2015 6.08pm Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 5.48pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 07 Sep 2015 1.08pm Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 12.26pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 07 Sep 2015 12.21pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 Sep 2015 11.27am Quote dannyh at 07 Sep 2015 10.41am meanwhile we have 90,000 + children homeless living in shelters, B&B's and hostels. It is reported that as many as 9,000 war veterans are among Britains homeless which I belive as a total is about 10% of Britains total homeless figure. But heyt fcuk it, lets have 10,000 people already in a camp in shelter and safe from harm, (that are from a country that isnt as f*ed up as eveyone seems to think, try Sierra Leone, now thats fed.) jump the cue and have the red carpet rolled out for them. Why ? Why are our own children, veterans who fought for the country, and British people being treated as second class citizens, being largely ignored.* Sickens me to my stomach. A very valid question in its own right, but irrelevant to the migration problem. The Conservatives have solved Child Poverty by redefining it (Labour were no better). Fact is even if we took back all that foreign aid and never allowed a single refugee or immigrant into the UK, the problems of suffering facing children, adults and veteran's would just continue same as it always has. Successive governments have had 25 plus years to solve the increasing problems of homelessness and child poverty and its only gotten worse. But hey, at least we had tax cuts..... It is a disgrace in a wealthy country like ours and we are all to blame in one sense. I often wonder why we spend so much money on the British Olympic team for example when some are homeless. I can only imagine that the realities of dealing with homelessness and child poverty are far more complex than they appear. Surely any government would want to fix it if it were simple. Throwing money at it alone is not ther solution I suspect. 600000 empty homes in the UK and we can't solve the homeless crisis... Someone owns those homes as they are perfectly entitled to do. That is capitalism. Would you advocate taking those houses away from their owners ? If I had my way, yes. Obviously there would be financial compensation. Unless they put the houses to the use for which they are intended, ie habitation, rather than as an 'asset' / 'investment' It is morally scandalous that houses lie empty while there are people on the street. Edited by nickgusset (07 Sep 2015 5.49pm) Sorry nick,that;s just more anti capitalist bull. While I agree having 1000s of houses lying empty is wrong. These people have bought the properties with their own money. the true moral issue is the absolute neglect that this party and all the other parties have totally refused to build more social housing. Now I agreed with Thatcher about the right to buy( I still do) but more housing should have been built then and still now,you cannot take away that amout of housing stock and not replace it without problems. And the more people coming to this country demand increases all the time. So where do you suggest this new 20.000 will be housed. In somebodies house that they have paid for,who are proberly using it as a pension( we are not all on gold plated pensions). So just to summerise .......where the f* are these people gonna go....and this is just the first lot. Schools housing healthcare housing. Are you saying houses don't increase in value if people live in them? The owners would also get rent. We live in a nation riddled with selfish csc**s who put money before people. People can not afford private rents,and a lot of people don't like renting because of hassles that can occour. The answer is to buid more social housing......But to claim that doughnut JC will build 240.000 houses a year.really I don't think so. Wheres the money going to come from. The answer is to sort out the dodgy landlords then surely. Again Corbyn addresses this. Having somewhere to live is a basic human need. The market and successive government have ensured that it is not the case for many. There are not enough tradesmen to build that amount of homes....just been reading up on it. Housing associations built 21.600 homes in 2013,but were held up because of lack of tradesmen and the fact that they were running out of materials. So no way can 240.00 homes be built a year....pie in the sky. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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meanwhile we have 90,000 + children homeless living in shelters, B&B's and hostels.

It is reported that as many as 9,000 war veterans are among Britains homeless which I belive as a total is about 10% of Britains total homeless figure.

Why ?

Why are our own children, veterans who fought for the country, and British people being treated as second class citizens, being largely ignored.

Sickens me to my stomach.

A very valid question in its own right, but irrelevant to the migration problem. The Conservatives have solved Child Poverty by redefining it (Labour were no better).

Successive governments have had 25 plus years to solve the increasing problems of homelessness and child poverty and its only gotten worse. But hey, at least we had tax cuts.....

600000 empty homes in the UK and we can't solve the homeless crisis...

Someone owns those homes as they are perfectly entitled to do. That is capitalism. Would you advocate taking those houses away from their owners ?

Edited by nickgusset (07 Sep 2015 5.49pm)

Are you saying houses don't increase in value if people live in them? The owners would also get rent.

We live in a nation riddled with selfish c***sc***s who put money before people.

There are not enough tradesmen to build that amount of homes....just been reading up on it.
Housing associations built 21.600 homes in 2013,but were held up because of lack of tradesmen and the fact that they were running out of materials.
So no way can 240.00 homes be built a year....pie in the sky.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 07 Sep 15 6.38pm
Quote elgrande at 07 Sep 2015 6.33pm Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 6.30pm Quote elgrande at 07 Sep 2015 6.22pm Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 6.16pm Quote elgrande at 07 Sep 2015 6.08pm Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 5.48pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 07 Sep 2015 1.08pm Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 12.26pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 07 Sep 2015 12.21pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 Sep 2015 11.27am Quote dannyh at 07 Sep 2015 10.41am meanwhile we have 90,000 + children homeless living in shelters, B&B's and hostels. It is reported that as many as 9,000 war veterans are among Britains homeless which I belive as a total is about 10% of Britains total homeless figure. But heyt fcuk it, lets have 10,000 people already in a camp in shelter and safe from harm, (that are from a country that isnt as f*ed up as eveyone seems to think, try Sierra Leone, now thats fed.) jump the cue and have the red carpet rolled out for them. Why ? Why are our own children, veterans who fought for the country, and British people being treated as second class citizens, being largely ignored.* Sickens me to my stomach. A very valid question in its own right, but irrelevant to the migration problem. The Conservatives have solved Child Poverty by redefining it (Labour were no better). Fact is even if we took back all that foreign aid and never allowed a single refugee or immigrant into the UK, the problems of suffering facing children, adults and veteran's would just continue same as it always has. Successive governments have had 25 plus years to solve the increasing problems of homelessness and child poverty and its only gotten worse. But hey, at least we had tax cuts..... It is a disgrace in a wealthy country like ours and we are all to blame in one sense. I often wonder why we spend so much money on the British Olympic team for example when some are homeless. I can only imagine that the realities of dealing with homelessness and child poverty are far more complex than they appear. Surely any government would want to fix it if it were simple. Throwing money at it alone is not ther solution I suspect. 600000 empty homes in the UK and we can't solve the homeless crisis... Someone owns those homes as they are perfectly entitled to do. That is capitalism. Would you advocate taking those houses away from their owners ? If I had my way, yes. Obviously there would be financial compensation. Unless they put the houses to the use for which they are intended, ie habitation, rather than as an 'asset' / 'investment' It is morally scandalous that houses lie empty while there are people on the street. Edited by nickgusset (07 Sep 2015 5.49pm) Sorry nick,that;s just more anti capitalist bull. While I agree having 1000s of houses lying empty is wrong. These people have bought the properties with their own money. the true moral issue is the absolute neglect that this party and all the other parties have totally refused to build more social housing. Now I agreed with Thatcher about the right to buy( I still do) but more housing should have been built then and still now,you cannot take away that amout of housing stock and not replace it without problems. And the more people coming to this country demand increases all the time. So where do you suggest this new 20.000 will be housed. In somebodies house that they have paid for,who are proberly using it as a pension( we are not all on gold plated pensions). So just to summerise .......where the f* are these people gonna go....and this is just the first lot. Schools housing healthcare housing. Are you saying houses don't increase in value if people live in them? The owners would also get rent. We live in a nation riddled with selfish cscs who put money before people. People can not afford private rents,and a lot of people don't like renting because of hassles that can occour. The answer is to buid more social housing......But to claim that doughnut JC will build 240.000 houses a year.really I don't think so. Wheres the money going to come from. The answer is to sort out the dodgy landlords then surely. Again Corbyn addresses this. Having somewhere to live is a basic human need. The market and successive government have ensured that it is not the case for many. There are not enough tradesmen to build that amount of homes**....just been reading up on it. Housing associations built 21.600 homes in 2013,but were held up because of lack of tradesmen and the fact that they were running out of materials. So no way can 240.00 homes be built a year....pie in the sky. That’s an easy one to solve - just get more foreign workers over to build them. "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Croydon 07 Sep 15 6.38pm

Quote elgrande at 07 Sep 2015 6.33pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 6.30pm

Quote elgrande at 07 Sep 2015 6.22pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 6.16pm

Quote elgrande at 07 Sep 2015 6.08pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 5.48pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 07 Sep 2015 1.08pm

Quote nickgusset at 07 Sep 2015 12.26pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 07 Sep 2015 12.21pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 Sep 2015 11.27am

Quote dannyh at 07 Sep 2015 10.41am

meanwhile we have 90,000 + children homeless living in shelters, B&B's and hostels.

It is reported that as many as 9,000 war veterans are among Britains homeless which I belive as a total is about 10% of Britains total homeless figure.

Why ?

Why are our own children, veterans who fought for the country, and British people being treated as second class citizens, being largely ignored.

Sickens me to my stomach.

A very valid question in its own right, but irrelevant to the migration problem. The Conservatives have solved Child Poverty by redefining it (Labour were no better).

Successive governments have had 25 plus years to solve the increasing problems of homelessness and child poverty and its only gotten worse. But hey, at least we had tax cuts.....

600000 empty homes in the UK and we can't solve the homeless crisis...

Someone owns those homes as they are perfectly entitled to do. That is capitalism. Would you advocate taking those houses away from their owners ?

Edited by nickgusset (07 Sep 2015 5.49pm)

Are you saying houses don't increase in value if people live in them? The owners would also get rent.

We live in a nation riddled with selfish c***sc***s who put money before people.

There are not enough tradesmen to build that amount of homes....just been reading up on it.
Housing associations built 21.600 homes in 2013,but were held up because of lack of tradesmen and the fact that they were running out of materials.
So no way can 240.00 homes be built a year....pie in the sky.

That’s an easy one to solve - just get more foreign workers over to build them.

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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