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Hoof Hearted 23 Nov 15 10.48am
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 6.10pm Quote Kermit8 at 22 Nov 2015 5.37pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 5.02pm Quote Stirlingsays at 22 Nov 2015 2.24pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 1.43pm Poverty is relative. All of us are poor to someone I'm sure. Too much self righteous bleeding heart whining on this site. Everything is relative, especially when you wish to dismiss it. I'm not in poverty. But I come from a family who were. A government isn't just for the successes in society. That was how the Victoria era was run. While I agree that the state must protect itself from the feckless and those who hate it or wish to abuse it...collectively not a small number....It's also true that we need to tend to our own....Good, bad or indifferent. You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home. The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions. oh, dear x 2 How surprising that you should "Oh dear" me. I have dared to be honest. Honest and completely accurate! Many of the visitors to food banks have cars, iphones and Sky/Virgin TV accounts. They know the local well meaning food bank set up by some vicar and his helpers won't turn them away! Just park the car a few streets away, turn the iphone off and go into "helpless mode" for their weekly shop.
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Poverty is relative. All of us are poor to someone I'm sure. Too much self righteous bleeding heart whining on this site.

Everything is relative, especially when you wish to dismiss it.

I'm not in poverty. But I come from a family who were.

A government isn't just for the successes in society. That was how the Victoria era was run.

While I agree that the state must protect itself from the feckless and those who hate it or wish to abuse it...collectively not a small number....It's also true that we need to tend to our own....Good, bad or indifferent.

You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home.

The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions.

oh, dear x 2

How surprising that you should "Oh dear" me.

I have dared to be honest.

Honest and completely accurate!

Many of the visitors to food banks have cars, iphones and Sky/Virgin TV accounts.

They know the local well meaning food bank set up by some vicar and his helpers won't turn them away!

Just park the car a few streets away, turn the iphone off and go into "helpless mode" for their weekly shop.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Nov 15 11.56am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Nov 2015 10.48am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 6.10pm Quote Kermit8 at 22 Nov 2015 5.37pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 5.02pm Quote Stirlingsays at 22 Nov 2015 2.24pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 1.43pm Poverty is relative. All of us are poor to someone I'm sure. Too much self righteous bleeding heart whining on this site. Everything is relative, especially when you wish to dismiss it. I'm not in poverty. But I come from a family who were. A government isn't just for the successes in society. That was how the Victoria era was run. While I agree that the state must protect itself from the feckless and those who hate it or wish to abuse it...collectively not a small number....It's also true that we need to tend to our own....Good, bad or indifferent. You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home. The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions. oh, dear x 2 How surprising that you should "Oh dear" me. I have dared to be honest. Honest and completely accurate! Many of the visitors to food banks have cars, iphones and Sky/Virgin TV accounts. They know the local well meaning food bank set up by some vicar and his helpers won't turn them away! Just park the car a few streets away, turn the iphone off and go into "helpless mode" for their weekly shop. talk about off thread topic. But... Although there are some food banks that you can turn up at and just recieve food, the vast majority will only give food if you have the requisite vouchers which you have to apply for from citizens advice, GP's or socialservices etc. It's a fallacy that it's a free food for all perpetuated by sections of the media who take unusual cases and extrapolate them to kid readers into thinking it's the norm. "people can’t just turn up asking for free food, they are referred by professionals"" says Chris Mould, executive chair of the Tressell Trust. If someone turns up without a voucher, food bank staff put them in touch with relevant local agencies who can assess whether they need a voucher and signpost them to the right services. [Link] Edited by nickgusset (23 Nov 2015 11.57am)
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Poverty is relative. All of us are poor to someone I'm sure. Too much self righteous bleeding heart whining on this site.

Everything is relative, especially when you wish to dismiss it.

I'm not in poverty. But I come from a family who were.

A government isn't just for the successes in society. That was how the Victoria era was run.

You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home.

The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions.

oh, dear x 2

How surprising that you should "Oh dear" me.

I have dared to be honest.

Honest and completely accurate!

Many of the visitors to food banks have cars, iphones and Sky/Virgin TV accounts.

They know the local well meaning food bank set up by some vicar and his helpers won't turn them away!

Just park the car a few streets away, turn the iphone off and go into "helpless mode" for their weekly shop.

talk about off thread topic. But...

Although there are some food banks that you can turn up at and just recieve food, the vast majority will only give food if you have the requisite vouchers which you have to apply for from citizens advice, GP's or socialservices etc.

It's a fallacy that it's a free food for all perpetuated by sections of the media who take unusual cases and extrapolate them to kid readers into thinking it's the norm.

"people can’t just turn up asking for free food, they are referred by professionals"" says Chris Mould, executive chair of the Tressell Trust. If someone turns up without a voucher, food bank staff put them in touch with relevant local agencies who can assess whether they need a voucher and signpost them to the right services.

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Hoof Hearted 23 Nov 15 12.29pm
Quote nickgusset at 23 Nov 2015 11.56am Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Nov 2015 10.48am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 6.10pm Quote Kermit8 at 22 Nov 2015 5.37pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 5.02pm Quote Stirlingsays at 22 Nov 2015 2.24pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 1.43pm Poverty is relative. All of us are poor to someone I'm sure. Too much self righteous bleeding heart whining on this site. Everything is relative, especially when you wish to dismiss it. I'm not in poverty. But I come from a family who were. A government isn't just for the successes in society. That was how the Victoria era was run. While I agree that the state must protect itself from the feckless and those who hate it or wish to abuse it...collectively not a small number....It's also true that we need to tend to our own....Good, bad or indifferent. You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home. The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions. oh, dear x 2 How surprising that you should "Oh dear" me. I have dared to be honest. Honest and completely accurate! Many of the visitors to food banks have cars, iphones and Sky/Virgin TV accounts. They know the local well meaning food bank set up by some vicar and his helpers won't turn them away! Just park the car a few streets away, turn the iphone off and go into "helpless mode" for their weekly shop. talk about off thread topic. But... Although there are some food banks that you can turn up at and just recieve food, the vast majority will only give food if you have the requisite vouchers which you have to apply for from citizens advice, GP's or socialservices etc. It's a fallacy that it's a free food for all perpetuated by sections of the media who take unusual cases and extrapolate them to kid readers into thinking it's the norm. "people can’t just turn up asking for free food, they are referred by professionals"" says Chris Mould, executive chair of the Tressell Trust. If someone turns up without a voucher, food bank staff put them in touch with relevant local agencies who can assess whether they need a voucher and signpost them to the right services. [Link] Edited by nickgusset (23 Nov 2015 11.57am) And how hard is it to convince someone you need vouchers? The same chancers will be getting their hands on food bank vouchers whilst enjoying all the luxuries bought with their dole money.
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Poverty is relative. All of us are poor to someone I'm sure. Too much self righteous bleeding heart whining on this site.

Everything is relative, especially when you wish to dismiss it.

I'm not in poverty. But I come from a family who were.

A government isn't just for the successes in society. That was how the Victoria era was run.

You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home.

The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions.

oh, dear x 2

How surprising that you should "Oh dear" me.

I have dared to be honest.

Honest and completely accurate!

Many of the visitors to food banks have cars, iphones and Sky/Virgin TV accounts.

They know the local well meaning food bank set up by some vicar and his helpers won't turn them away!

Just park the car a few streets away, turn the iphone off and go into "helpless mode" for their weekly shop.

talk about off thread topic. But...

It's a fallacy that it's a free food for all perpetuated by sections of the media who take unusual cases and extrapolate them to kid readers into thinking it's the norm.

[Link]

Edited by nickgusset (23 Nov 2015 11.57am)

And how hard is it to convince someone you need vouchers?

The same chancers will be getting their hands on food bank vouchers whilst enjoying all the luxuries bought with their dole money.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Nov 15 12.42pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Nov 2015 12.29pm Quote nickgusset at 23 Nov 2015 11.56am Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Nov 2015 10.48am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 6.10pm Quote Kermit8 at 22 Nov 2015 5.37pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 5.02pm Quote Stirlingsays at 22 Nov 2015 2.24pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 1.43pm Poverty is relative. All of us are poor to someone I'm sure. Too much self righteous bleeding heart whining on this site. Everything is relative, especially when you wish to dismiss it. I'm not in poverty. But I come from a family who were. A government isn't just for the successes in society. That was how the Victoria era was run. While I agree that the state must protect itself from the feckless and those who hate it or wish to abuse it...collectively not a small number....It's also true that we need to tend to our own....Good, bad or indifferent. You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home. The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions. oh, dear x 2 How surprising that you should "Oh dear" me. I have dared to be honest. Honest and completely accurate! Many of the visitors to food banks have cars, iphones and Sky/Virgin TV accounts. They know the local well meaning food bank set up by some vicar and his helpers won't turn them away! Just park the car a few streets away, turn the iphone off and go into "helpless mode" for their weekly shop. talk about off thread topic. But... Although there are some food banks that you can turn up at and just recieve food, the vast majority will only give food if you have the requisite vouchers which you have to apply for from citizens advice, GP's or socialservices etc. It's a fallacy that it's a free food for all perpetuated by sections of the media who take unusual cases and extrapolate them to kid readers into thinking it's the norm. "people can’t just turn up asking for free food, they are referred by professionals"" says Chris Mould, executive chair of the Tressell Trust. If someone turns up without a voucher, food bank staff put them in touch with relevant local agencies who can assess whether they need a voucher and signpost them to the right services. [Link] Edited by nickgusset (23 Nov 2015 11.57am) And how hard is it to convince someone you need vouchers? The same chancers will be getting their hands on food bank vouchers whilst enjoying all the luxuries bought with their dole money. Examples?
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Poverty is relative. All of us are poor to someone I'm sure. Too much self righteous bleeding heart whining on this site.

Everything is relative, especially when you wish to dismiss it.

I'm not in poverty. But I come from a family who were.

A government isn't just for the successes in society. That was how the Victoria era was run.

You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home.

The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions.

oh, dear x 2

How surprising that you should "Oh dear" me.

I have dared to be honest.

Honest and completely accurate!

Many of the visitors to food banks have cars, iphones and Sky/Virgin TV accounts.

They know the local well meaning food bank set up by some vicar and his helpers won't turn them away!

Just park the car a few streets away, turn the iphone off and go into "helpless mode" for their weekly shop.

talk about off thread topic. But...

It's a fallacy that it's a free food for all perpetuated by sections of the media who take unusual cases and extrapolate them to kid readers into thinking it's the norm.

[Link]

Edited by nickgusset (23 Nov 2015 11.57am)

And how hard is it to convince someone you need vouchers?

The same chancers will be getting their hands on food bank vouchers whilst enjoying all the luxuries bought with their dole money.

Examples?

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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Nov 15 12.51pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Nov 2015 10.18am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 6.50pm Quote Stirlingsays at 22 Nov 2015 6.44pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 5.02pm You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home. The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions. You can't compare Victorian poverty with current levels no that's right but the reason for this is that attitudes changed due to the sheer terrible injustice of it. But time breeds indifference. I've noticed that the 'I'm alright Jack, not my problem' movement have gained more strength as the decades passed. Don't get me wrong....The feckless are still feckless and wasters and fifth columnists create division and resentment.....I suppose I don't believe that closing the door on these problems is an answer. I believe that a better family is one that looks to sort its own problems out.....And a nation is nothing if not an extension of that That's what I believe anyway....For what's its worth. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Nov 2015 6.45pm) I don't think anyone has closed the door on poverty. Quite the opposite. There has never been more do gooding. Charity has reached almost epidemic levels. Charity doesn't solve a problem, it relieves the 'popular symptoms', its become a social political tool where by the responsibility of the state to citizens has increasingly been 'privitised'. Charity cannot solve problems, its become a big business that feeds on those social problems. Food banks won't stop poverty, they just mean the state doesn't have to resolve a major problem. Homeless charities now bid for local council outreach contracts. And no one pays attention to those who fall through the cracks set by the 'rules' of qualification for that support. So you're not going to adopt a penguin ?
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You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home.

The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions.

You can't compare Victorian poverty with current levels no that's right but the reason for this is that attitudes changed due to the sheer terrible injustice of it.

But time breeds indifference.
I've noticed that the 'I'm alright Jack, not my problem' movement have gained more strength as the decades passed.

Don't get me wrong....The feckless are still feckless and wasters and fifth columnists create division and resentment.....I suppose I don't believe that closing the door on these problems is an answer.

I believe that a better family is one that looks to sort its own problems out.....And a nation is nothing if not an extension of that

That's what I believe anyway....For what's its worth.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Nov 2015 6.45pm)

I don't think anyone has closed the door on poverty. Quite the opposite. There has never been more do gooding. Charity has reached almost epidemic levels.

Charity doesn't solve a problem, it relieves the 'popular symptoms', its become a social political tool where by the responsibility of the state to citizens has increasingly been 'privitised'.

Charity cannot solve problems, its become a big business that feeds on those social problems. Food banks won't stop poverty, they just mean the state doesn't have to resolve a major problem.

Homeless charities now bid for local council outreach contracts.

And no one pays attention to those who fall through the cracks set by the 'rules' of qualification for that support.

So you're not going to adopt a penguin ?

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 23 Nov 15 12.57pm
Quote nickgusset at 23 Nov 2015 12.42pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Nov 2015 12.29pm Quote nickgusset at 23 Nov 2015 11.56am Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Nov 2015 10.48am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 6.10pm Quote Kermit8 at 22 Nov 2015 5.37pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 5.02pm Quote Stirlingsays at 22 Nov 2015 2.24pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 1.43pm Poverty is relative. All of us are poor to someone I'm sure. Too much self righteous bleeding heart whining on this site. Everything is relative, especially when you wish to dismiss it. I'm not in poverty. But I come from a family who were. A government isn't just for the successes in society. That was how the Victoria era was run. While I agree that the state must protect itself from the feckless and those who hate it or wish to abuse it...collectively not a small number....It's also true that we need to tend to our own....Good, bad or indifferent. You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home. The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions. oh, dear x 2 How surprising that you should "Oh dear" me. I have dared to be honest. Honest and completely accurate! Many of the visitors to food banks have cars, iphones and Sky/Virgin TV accounts. They know the local well meaning food bank set up by some vicar and his helpers won't turn them away! Just park the car a few streets away, turn the iphone off and go into "helpless mode" for their weekly shop. talk about off thread topic. But... Although there are some food banks that you can turn up at and just recieve food, the vast majority will only give food if you have the requisite vouchers which you have to apply for from citizens advice, GP's or socialservices etc. It's a fallacy that it's a free food for all perpetuated by sections of the media who take unusual cases and extrapolate them to kid readers into thinking it's the norm. "people can’t just turn up asking for free food, they are referred by professionals"" says Chris Mould, executive chair of the Tressell Trust. If someone turns up without a voucher, food bank staff put them in touch with relevant local agencies who can assess whether they need a voucher and signpost them to the right services. [Link] Edited by nickgusset (23 Nov 2015 11.57am) And how hard is it to convince someone you need vouchers? The same chancers will be getting their hands on food bank vouchers whilst enjoying all the luxuries bought with their dole money. Examples? [Link] Awaits its in the Daily Hail retort Pro USA & Israel
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Poverty is relative. All of us are poor to someone I'm sure. Too much self righteous bleeding heart whining on this site.

Everything is relative, especially when you wish to dismiss it.

I'm not in poverty. But I come from a family who were.

A government isn't just for the successes in society. That was how the Victoria era was run.

You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home.

The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions.

oh, dear x 2

How surprising that you should "Oh dear" me.

I have dared to be honest.

Honest and completely accurate!

Many of the visitors to food banks have cars, iphones and Sky/Virgin TV accounts.

They know the local well meaning food bank set up by some vicar and his helpers won't turn them away!

Just park the car a few streets away, turn the iphone off and go into "helpless mode" for their weekly shop.

talk about off thread topic. But...

It's a fallacy that it's a free food for all perpetuated by sections of the media who take unusual cases and extrapolate them to kid readers into thinking it's the norm.

[Link]

Edited by nickgusset (23 Nov 2015 11.57am)

And how hard is it to convince someone you need vouchers?

The same chancers will be getting their hands on food bank vouchers whilst enjoying all the luxuries bought with their dole money.

Examples?

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jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Nov 15 1.07pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Nov 2015 12.51pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Nov 2015 10.18am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 6.50pm Quote Stirlingsays at 22 Nov 2015 6.44pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 5.02pm You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home. The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions. You can't compare Victorian poverty with current levels no that's right but the reason for this is that attitudes changed due to the sheer terrible injustice of it. But time breeds indifference. I've noticed that the 'I'm alright Jack, not my problem' movement have gained more strength as the decades passed. Don't get me wrong....The feckless are still feckless and wasters and fifth columnists create division and resentment.....I suppose I don't believe that closing the door on these problems is an answer. I believe that a better family is one that looks to sort its own problems out.....And a nation is nothing if not an extension of that That's what I believe anyway....For what's its worth. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Nov 2015 6.45pm) I don't think anyone has closed the door on poverty. Quite the opposite. There has never been more do gooding. Charity has reached almost epidemic levels. Charity doesn't solve a problem, it relieves the 'popular symptoms', its become a social political tool where by the responsibility of the state to citizens has increasingly been 'privitised'. Charity cannot solve problems, its become a big business that feeds on those social problems. Food banks won't stop poverty, they just mean the state doesn't have to resolve a major problem. Homeless charities now bid for local council outreach contracts. And no one pays attention to those who fall through the cracks set by the 'rules' of qualification for that support. So you're not going to adopt a penguin ? They smell terrible, and would upset the cats, plus I don't think they'd like the bathtub. To me charity is a bit like someone convincing themselves that they've helped a hooker out, by paying for sex. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home.

The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions.

You can't compare Victorian poverty with current levels no that's right but the reason for this is that attitudes changed due to the sheer terrible injustice of it.

But time breeds indifference.
I've noticed that the 'I'm alright Jack, not my problem' movement have gained more strength as the decades passed.

I believe that a better family is one that looks to sort its own problems out.....And a nation is nothing if not an extension of that

That's what I believe anyway....For what's its worth.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Nov 2015 6.45pm)

I don't think anyone has closed the door on poverty. Quite the opposite. There has never been more do gooding. Charity has reached almost epidemic levels.

Charity doesn't solve a problem, it relieves the 'popular symptoms', its become a social political tool where by the responsibility of the state to citizens has increasingly been 'privitised'.

Charity cannot solve problems, its become a big business that feeds on those social problems. Food banks won't stop poverty, they just mean the state doesn't have to resolve a major problem.

Homeless charities now bid for local council outreach contracts.

And no one pays attention to those who fall through the cracks set by the 'rules' of qualification for that support.

So you're not going to adopt a penguin ?

They smell terrible, and would upset the cats, plus I don't think they'd like the bathtub. To me charity is a bit like someone convincing themselves that they've helped a hooker out, by paying for sex.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Quote Percy of Peckham at 22 Nov 2015 11.36pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 21 Nov 2015 7.42pm Quote Percy of Peckham at 21 Nov 2015 7.38pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 20 Nov 2015 12.36pm After watching the very annoying Question Time last night I have concluded that many people seem to be focused on what ISIL want us to do and what will happen after any assault on them and the loss of lives etc. This is all the language of fear. We must not worry about what ISIL want and how they are playing us, we must destroy them in the territory they hold and we must round up and imprison or deport anyone involved with them. There is no negotiation to be had, there is no easy fix. There is no chance of coming out of this without innocent lives being lost, maybe even here in Britain. We must form a coalition of forces with the interested parties and get the job done. If we can avoid putting our own troops on the ground then that will be a major result. After all it is not Europe who stands to lose the most if ISIL remain effective in the region. Time to stop poncing around with what ifs and get the job done with all means necessary. I suspect next week's Spending Review has not made any provision for a land assault on ISIS. However, we have flogged some of MOD's London estate to the Arabs to turn into a 5* hotel, sacked soldiers so we can sell off their barracks and mothballed a lot of stuff that flew or floated. Austerity? You ain't seen nothing yet. Yawn. Austerity, you don't know what it means. Hmmm, I don't think you do? Do you understand the difference between austerity measures and poverty? Slightly pedantic. Austerity is also a bad economic condition that does not allow for luxury. That implies deprivation. Deprivation does not necessarily make anyone genuinely poor. You know exactly what I meant. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Nov 2015 1.12pm)
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23 Nov 15 1.09pm

Quote Percy of Peckham at 22 Nov 2015 11.36pm

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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 20 Nov 2015 12.36pm

After watching the very annoying Question Time last night I have concluded that many people seem to be focused on what ISIL want us to do and what will happen after any assault on them and the loss of lives etc. This is all the language of fear. We must not worry about what ISIL want and how they are playing us, we must destroy them in the territory they hold and we must round up and imprison or deport anyone involved with them. There is no negotiation to be had, there is no easy fix. There is no chance of coming out of this without innocent lives being lost, maybe even here in Britain.
We must form a coalition of forces with the interested parties and get the job done. If we can avoid putting our own troops on the ground then that will be a major result. After all it is not Europe who stands to lose the most if ISIL remain effective in the region.
Time to stop poncing around with what ifs and get the job done with all means necessary.

I suspect next week's Spending Review has not made any provision for a land assault on ISIS. However, we have flogged some of MOD's London estate to the Arabs to turn into a 5* hotel, sacked soldiers so we can sell off their barracks and mothballed a lot of stuff that flew or floated. Austerity? You ain't seen nothing yet.

Yawn.

Austerity, you don't know what it means.

Hmmm, I don't think you do? Do you understand the difference between austerity measures and poverty?

Slightly pedantic. Austerity is also a bad economic condition that does not allow for luxury. That implies deprivation. Deprivation does not necessarily make anyone genuinely poor.

You know exactly what I meant.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Nov 15 1.31pm
Quote Jimenez at 23 Nov 2015 12.57pm Quote nickgusset at 23 Nov 2015 12.42pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Nov 2015 12.29pm Quote nickgusset at 23 Nov 2015 11.56am Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Nov 2015 10.48am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 6.10pm Quote Kermit8 at 22 Nov 2015 5.37pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 5.02pm Quote Stirlingsays at 22 Nov 2015 2.24pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 1.43pm Poverty is relative. All of us are poor to someone I'm sure. Too much self righteous bleeding heart whining on this site. Everything is relative, especially when you wish to dismiss it. I'm not in poverty. But I come from a family who were. A government isn't just for the successes in society. That was how the Victoria era was run. While I agree that the state must protect itself from the feckless and those who hate it or wish to abuse it...collectively not a small number....It's also true that we need to tend to our own....Good, bad or indifferent. You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home. The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions. oh, dear x 2 How surprising that you should "Oh dear" me. I have dared to be honest. Honest and completely accurate! Many of the visitors to food banks have cars, iphones and Sky/Virgin TV accounts. They know the local well meaning food bank set up by some vicar and his helpers won't turn them away! Just park the car a few streets away, turn the iphone off and go into "helpless mode" for their weekly shop. talk about off thread topic. But... Although there are some food banks that you can turn up at and just recieve food, the vast majority will only give food if you have the requisite vouchers which you have to apply for from citizens advice, GP's or socialservices etc. It's a fallacy that it's a free food for all perpetuated by sections of the media who take unusual cases and extrapolate them to kid readers into thinking it's the norm. "people can’t just turn up asking for free food, they are referred by professionals"" says Chris Mould, executive chair of the Tressell Trust. If someone turns up without a voucher, food bank staff put them in touch with relevant local agencies who can assess whether they need a voucher and signpost them to the right services. [Link] Edited by nickgusset (23 Nov 2015 11.57am) And how hard is it to convince someone you need vouchers? The same chancers will be getting their hands on food bank vouchers whilst enjoying all the luxuries bought with their dole money. Examples? [Link] Awaits its in the Daily Hail retort Someone even got a non essential chocolate pudding! Perhaps they should throw away any food donated that is non essential! £40 worth of food is hardly 'bags bursting' is it? People have sky and iphones under contract. Perhaps they got these things when they could afford it and the contracts are yet to run out. One man who lost his £60k job used a food bank. Probably be even harder up money wise as I'd imagine his outgoings are quite high. A terrible article all in all in the usual Mail vein of looking down on people.
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Poverty is relative. All of us are poor to someone I'm sure. Too much self righteous bleeding heart whining on this site.

Everything is relative, especially when you wish to dismiss it.

I'm not in poverty. But I come from a family who were.

A government isn't just for the successes in society. That was how the Victoria era was run.

You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home.

The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions.

oh, dear x 2

How surprising that you should "Oh dear" me.

I have dared to be honest.

Honest and completely accurate!

Many of the visitors to food banks have cars, iphones and Sky/Virgin TV accounts.

They know the local well meaning food bank set up by some vicar and his helpers won't turn them away!

Just park the car a few streets away, turn the iphone off and go into "helpless mode" for their weekly shop.

talk about off thread topic. But...

It's a fallacy that it's a free food for all perpetuated by sections of the media who take unusual cases and extrapolate them to kid readers into thinking it's the norm.

[Link]

Edited by nickgusset (23 Nov 2015 11.57am)

And how hard is it to convince someone you need vouchers?

The same chancers will be getting their hands on food bank vouchers whilst enjoying all the luxuries bought with their dole money.

Examples?

[Link]

*Awaits its in the Daily Hail retort*

Someone even got a non essential chocolate pudding! Perhaps they should throw away any food donated that is non essential!

£40 worth of food is hardly 'bags bursting' is it?

People have sky and iphones under contract. Perhaps they got these things when they could afford it and the contracts are yet to run out.

One man who lost his £60k job used a food bank. Probably be even harder up money wise as I'd imagine his outgoings are quite high.

A terrible article all in all in the usual Mail vein of looking down on people.

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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Nov 15 1.35pm
Quote nickgusset at 23 Nov 2015 1.31pm Quote Jimenez at 23 Nov 2015 12.57pm Quote nickgusset at 23 Nov 2015 12.42pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Nov 2015 12.29pm Quote nickgusset at 23 Nov 2015 11.56am Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Nov 2015 10.48am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 6.10pm Quote Kermit8 at 22 Nov 2015 5.37pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 5.02pm Quote Stirlingsays at 22 Nov 2015 2.24pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 1.43pm Poverty is relative. All of us are poor to someone I'm sure. Too much self righteous bleeding heart whining on this site. Everything is relative, especially when you wish to dismiss it. I'm not in poverty. But I come from a family who were. A government isn't just for the successes in society. That was how the Victoria era was run. While I agree that the state must protect itself from the feckless and those who hate it or wish to abuse it...collectively not a small number....It's also true that we need to tend to our own....Good, bad or indifferent. You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home. The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions. oh, dear x 2 How surprising that you should "Oh dear" me. I have dared to be honest. Honest and completely accurate! Many of the visitors to food banks have cars, iphones and Sky/Virgin TV accounts. They know the local well meaning food bank set up by some vicar and his helpers won't turn them away! Just park the car a few streets away, turn the iphone off and go into "helpless mode" for their weekly shop. talk about off thread topic. But... Although there are some food banks that you can turn up at and just recieve food, the vast majority will only give food if you have the requisite vouchers which you have to apply for from citizens advice, GP's or socialservices etc. It's a fallacy that it's a free food for all perpetuated by sections of the media who take unusual cases and extrapolate them to kid readers into thinking it's the norm. "people can’t just turn up asking for free food, they are referred by professionals"" says Chris Mould, executive chair of the Tressell Trust. If someone turns up without a voucher, food bank staff put them in touch with relevant local agencies who can assess whether they need a voucher and signpost them to the right services. [Link] Edited by nickgusset (23 Nov 2015 11.57am) And how hard is it to convince someone you need vouchers? The same chancers will be getting their hands on food bank vouchers whilst enjoying all the luxuries bought with their dole money. Examples? [Link] Awaits its in the Daily Hail retort Someone even got a non essential chocolate pudding! Perhaps they should throw away any food donated that is non essential! £40 worth of food is hardly 'bags bursting' is it? People have sky and iphones under contract. Perhaps they got these things when they could afford it and the contracts are yet to run out. One man who lost his £60k job used a food bank. Probably be even harder up money wise as I'd imagine his outgoings are quite high. A terrible article all in all in the usual Mail vein of looking down on people. But hardly Dickensian poverty is it.
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Quote nickgusset at 23 Nov 2015 11.56am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Nov 2015 10.48am

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 6.10pm

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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 5.02pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 22 Nov 2015 2.24pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 1.43pm

Poverty is relative. All of us are poor to someone I'm sure. Too much self righteous bleeding heart whining on this site.

Everything is relative, especially when you wish to dismiss it.

I'm not in poverty. But I come from a family who were.

A government isn't just for the successes in society. That was how the Victoria era was run.

You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home.

The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions.

oh, dear x 2

How surprising that you should "Oh dear" me.

I have dared to be honest.

Honest and completely accurate!

Many of the visitors to food banks have cars, iphones and Sky/Virgin TV accounts.

They know the local well meaning food bank set up by some vicar and his helpers won't turn them away!

Just park the car a few streets away, turn the iphone off and go into "helpless mode" for their weekly shop.

talk about off thread topic. But...

It's a fallacy that it's a free food for all perpetuated by sections of the media who take unusual cases and extrapolate them to kid readers into thinking it's the norm.

[Link]

Edited by nickgusset (23 Nov 2015 11.57am)

And how hard is it to convince someone you need vouchers?

The same chancers will be getting their hands on food bank vouchers whilst enjoying all the luxuries bought with their dole money.

Examples?

[Link]

*Awaits its in the Daily Hail retort*

Someone even got a non essential chocolate pudding! Perhaps they should throw away any food donated that is non essential!

£40 worth of food is hardly 'bags bursting' is it?

People have sky and iphones under contract. Perhaps they got these things when they could afford it and the contracts are yet to run out.

One man who lost his £60k job used a food bank. Probably be even harder up money wise as I'd imagine his outgoings are quite high.

A terrible article all in all in the usual Mail vein of looking down on people.

But hardly Dickensian poverty is it.

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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Nov 15 1.38pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Nov 2015 1.07pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Nov 2015 12.51pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Nov 2015 10.18am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 6.50pm Quote Stirlingsays at 22 Nov 2015 6.44pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 5.02pm You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home. The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions. You can't compare Victorian poverty with current levels no that's right but the reason for this is that attitudes changed due to the sheer terrible injustice of it. But time breeds indifference. I've noticed that the 'I'm alright Jack, not my problem' movement have gained more strength as the decades passed. Don't get me wrong....The feckless are still feckless and wasters and fifth columnists create division and resentment.....I suppose I don't believe that closing the door on these problems is an answer. I believe that a better family is one that looks to sort its own problems out.....And a nation is nothing if not an extension of that That's what I believe anyway....For what's its worth. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Nov 2015 6.45pm) I don't think anyone has closed the door on poverty. Quite the opposite. There has never been more do gooding. Charity has reached almost epidemic levels. Charity doesn't solve a problem, it relieves the 'popular symptoms', its become a social political tool where by the responsibility of the state to citizens has increasingly been 'privitised'. Charity cannot solve problems, its become a big business that feeds on those social problems. Food banks won't stop poverty, they just mean the state doesn't have to resolve a major problem. Homeless charities now bid for local council outreach contracts. And no one pays attention to those who fall through the cracks set by the 'rules' of qualification for that support. So you're not going to adopt a penguin ? They smell terrible, and would upset the cats, plus I don't think they'd like the bathtub. To me charity is a bit like someone convincing themselves that they've helped a hooker out, by paying for sex. No need to worry. They just send you a picture and a cuddly facsimile of your adopted chum. The real one stays in the frozen wilderness.
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 6.50pm

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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 5.02pm

You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home.

The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions.

You can't compare Victorian poverty with current levels no that's right but the reason for this is that attitudes changed due to the sheer terrible injustice of it.

But time breeds indifference.
I've noticed that the 'I'm alright Jack, not my problem' movement have gained more strength as the decades passed.

I believe that a better family is one that looks to sort its own problems out.....And a nation is nothing if not an extension of that

That's what I believe anyway....For what's its worth.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Nov 2015 6.45pm)

I don't think anyone has closed the door on poverty. Quite the opposite. There has never been more do gooding. Charity has reached almost epidemic levels.

Charity doesn't solve a problem, it relieves the 'popular symptoms', its become a social political tool where by the responsibility of the state to citizens has increasingly been 'privitised'.

Charity cannot solve problems, its become a big business that feeds on those social problems. Food banks won't stop poverty, they just mean the state doesn't have to resolve a major problem.

Homeless charities now bid for local council outreach contracts.

And no one pays attention to those who fall through the cracks set by the 'rules' of qualification for that support.

So you're not going to adopt a penguin ?

No need to worry. They just send you a picture and a cuddly facsimile of your adopted chum. The real one stays in the frozen wilderness.

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