I'm actually pro EU. I think the economy would tank if we left. I am merely pointing out that, based on what Cameron stated he WANTED to achieve, the negotiations failed. Cameron got a watered down deal at best.

However, I am sure the Murdoch Media will be trumpeting it as a triumph of Churchillian proportions!

Cameron has set the bar very low with his "demands".

The rest of Europe must be thinking what is he up to and are not agreeing to any of it except to water down his very watered down requests (sorry demands LOL).

If we do not take back our right to control our own borders and sovereignty we will be fcuked as a country in about 30 years under the weight of over population and EU bureaucracy.

Cameron misunderstands the problem - Eastern Europeans are flocking here because pay is much higher here and it's not a sh1thole, unlike where they live now. If we stopped paying benefits they would still come.

Those asylum seekers from Syria etc we think we are preventing letting them in now will soon have EU passports issued by their host countries and will be free to come here thereafter and there will be fcuk all we can do about it.

Meanwhile we will still have our judges decisions over-ruled by Brussels when we attempt to deport those immigrants that break the law by raping and murdering our citizens.... And our share of contributions towards this madness increasing exponentially and unfairly compared to the rest of the members!

If you have a brain and you love Britain, vote out.

Otherwise vote to stay in to see the EU bureaucrats destroy our beloved country.

No Hyperbole here Its actually our own laws that prevent us from deporting criminals generally, no the EU. The conflict lies in the British law, and that's why its referred to the ECHR. The government could simply choose to define grounds on which deportation of criminals can progress. Its complicated by the fact that most of the cases you hear about involve people who's duration of porridge also has exceeded the period of time as a UK resident required to be considered a 'citizen of the UK'.

Interestingly this has been a product of the desire to imprison people that were previously deported rather than imprisoned. The 'publics' desire to see people punished resulted in the idea of deportation after their prison sentence was served. However this is much more difficult because of how the Rehabilitation of Offenders act is defined (note its not the punishment of offenders act) - Its certainly a lot easier to deport someone after conviction, before imprisoning them than it is after they've served their time.

The problem is that the UK Government has to abide by its own laws, definitions and legal system - Which requires it be fair and impartial. Deporting people after they've been 'rehabilitated' is always going to be more difficult, than deporting and excluding them.

Leaving the EU won't actually make it any easier to 'do what we want', because Parliament would still be bound by the Laws of the Country. As Cameron and co found when they were looking to 'remove the human rights act' - it isn't the problem, the problem is trying to enforce laws that are contradictory.

Its just easy to blame the EU. The reason we didn't have this problem over a decade ago, is because we deported offenders on conviction, not on release.

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Kick out Johnny Foreigner, re-establish the death penalty and re-introduce corporal punishment, make Greece sell their islands to pay their debt, demote Germany, allow UK citizens total freedom of movement around Europe but don't reciprocate, ban the BBC, send travellers over to Ireland, and loads more.

Then, and only then, should anyone with a brain vote to stay in the EU.

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Hear Hear !

I wholly endorse these sentiments.

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

If you have a brain and you love Britain, vote out.

Otherwise vote to stay in to see the EU bureaucrats destroy our beloved country.

Interesting. Does this mean that you think that Tory MPs and Tory voters who vote out only have half a brain and don't love Britain?

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.