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 Badger11  Beckenham 15 Jan 19 9.53pm |
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Another issue raised its head again tonight, a heavily pregnant Labour Tulip Siddiq had to come to the Commons to vote. She didn't trust the pairing system as over the decades both sides have cheated at critical times although tonight she needn't have bothered. The BBC is carrying a an article saying MPs should be allowed to appoint a proxy but why not have technology? Back in the 12th Century you had to turn up to vote but today surely you should be able to contact the speaker and ask for permission to vote electronically from a remote location. Another example of Parliament being out of touch.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 15 Jan 19 9.59pm |
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Originally posted by black eagle.
Does anyone think Article 50 will be extended? as can't see there being a deal before then. It wouldn't surprise me but for me there would have to be a reason. For example the EU and the government signed a new agreement but they were going to run out of time to do the paperwork (has to be translated into all EU languages) and the legal stuff. However if it was because we needed more time to negotiate an agreement then I think many people would feel this was just a delaying tactic by Remainers.
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| chris123 hove actually 15 Jan 19 9.59pm |
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Originally posted by black eagle.
Does anyone think Article 50 will be extended? as can't see there being a deal before then. The Act.
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 15 Jan 19 10.07pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
I think what we can all agree on is that we have a government of simply mind-numbing, brain-buggering ineptitude and an ineffective Opposition that clearly does not know how to oppose. If there were to be an election, I’d want all the useless f*ckwits to lose. Panorama Bender
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cryrst  The garden of England 15 Jan 19 10.14pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Corbyn has tabled a vote of no confidence in the government for tomorrow. The DUP has announced they will back the government so it maybe tight but I think Mrs May will win that. If she doesn't she most resign and possible a GE will be called. Assuming the Tory rebels don't want a GE they will vote with the government. Mrs May then has 3 working days to talk to the Tory rebels and to the other parties to try and find some common ground. Labour will not go along with this but it maybe possible for May to peel off a few Labour rebels and some of the smaller parties. On Monday she must announce to the Commons her revised plan and then hope that the EU is in a mood to compromise. If the EU agree to changes then she will call another vote. It is possible that after 3 days Mrs May says she cannot accept the changes people want and then we are into does she resign or go for a no deal Brexit. In other words still all to win. I think it has to be over two thirds against for her to lose so no chance of that happening.
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| davenotamonkey 15 Jan 19 11.44pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
If the MPs can't reach a decision having kicked it around for another couple of months: I suppose it is back to the people, to vote on whatever a (no) deal looks like by then. The silver lining is at least this time it will be a substantive debate and not on no more than prejudice. Additionally, I wonder if it will all the people this time? I'm sorry, but this is f***ing offensive. You are basically saying "oh, the electorate were pig-s*** ignorant before, but now they've had non-stop propaganda pumped into their heads for the last 30 months, they are ready to be like good little compliant drones and vote how they were always meant to". During the referendum (and indeed leading up to it) there were endless TV panel discussions, discussion, articles. Jesus. You could hardly move for the non-stop analysis. The leaflets through the door, the daily toll of the doomsday bell as we were told Brexit would eat our young, the live TV debates, including with the political leaders of the time. The referendum debate was entirely substantive, thanks, it was just that the likes of you LOST it, hence the relentless campaign to denigrate it as some half-baked "trial run", where we were not subjected to huge political campaigns on BOTH sides. The f***ing nerve of these people.
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| davenotamonkey 15 Jan 19 11.47pm |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
That's how I read it anyway Yikes - someone got the point of the post!
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| davenotamonkey 16 Jan 19 12.10am |
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Originally posted by pefwin
Don't the MPs then need to vote on a NO DEAL exit; which will be defeated by an even larger margin. No, they already voted for a "No deal" Brexit by passing the Withdrawal Act to enact Article 50. They did this fully in the knowledge that they set the clock running for leaving the EU no matter what in 2 years from that date the A50 notification was issued (thanks Gina). Parliament passed the bill with 494 ayes, 122 nos, and 1 useless shadow home secretary pulling a sickie. That is a majority of 372. In context, May's BRINO entrapment agreement lost by 230 votes. I don't doubt that some will claim "they didn't know what they were voting for", indeed that they didn't have a "substantive debate" on the implications of voting to enact A50, but for those interested, here were the days allocated to the debate: The first day's debate alone (ie, the 2nd reading of the bill) runs to 231 pages: These people knew exactly what they were doing when they voted to formally trigger leaving the EU.
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| cryrst The garden of England 16 Jan 19 6.09am |
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One of the only people of any standingwho has said it will not go back to the people is the actual prime minister TM
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| dannyboy1978 16 Jan 19 7.03am |
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So delaying the vote over Xmas was an absolute Waste of time. Maybe Corbin is correct?
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Pussay Patrol  16 Jan 19 8.04am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I think it has to be over two thirds against for her to lose so no chance of that happening. Yes Tories don't want an election cos they would lose. I think remainers who usually vote Tory would vote labour if they pledged a 2nd vote, even if they thought it would let Corbyn into No 10 it's a price worth paying
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| Badger11 Beckenham 16 Jan 19 8.13am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Yes Tories don't want an election cos they would lose. I think remainers who usually vote Tory would vote labour if they pledged a 2nd vote, even if they thought it would let Corbyn into No 10 it's a price worth paying We are in an Alice through the looking glass world. We have a Remain Prime Minister negotiating to leave her MPS are largely Remain but her voters want to leave. We have an Opposition leader who wants to leave but his MPs want to stay whilst his voter base is split 60/40 Remain. If I can figure out what is going to happen next I will be straight down to the bookies. I think kicking the can down the road must be favourite for now. Edited by Badger11 (16 Jan 2019 8.14am)
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