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 Maine Eagle  USA 09 Apr 19 1.15am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Right. Does anyone expect the truth? Every manifesto is a litany of lies. Theyre politicians - they lie for a living. Are all the remain scare stories true? No. Some more than others. Some lie more than others aswell. Leave campaigners lied their pants off, and some are still at it. Lie after lie, mistruth after mistruth. Its shameful. The vote was passed on the back of an absolute pack of lies.
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cpfc_chap  koh samui 09 Apr 19 1.45am |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Some more than others. Some lie more than others aswell. Leave campaigners lied their pants off, and some are still at it. Lie after lie, mistruth after mistruth. Its shameful. The vote was passed on the back of an absolute pack of lies. But the biggest whopper has to be Cameron's 'you the people will decide!'
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Teddy Eagle  09 Apr 19 5.01am |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Some more than others. Some lie more than others aswell. Leave campaigners lied their pants off, and some are still at it. Lie after lie, mistruth after mistruth. Its shameful. The vote was passed on the back of an absolute pack of lies. Sorry to repeat this but Corbyn and co have been vehemently anti-Europe since we joined the Common Market but now are suddenly pro? This is a lie. All they are doing is exploiting the situation.
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Pussay Patrol  09 Apr 19 6.06am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Sorry to repeat this but Corbyn and co have been vehemently anti-Europe since we joined the Common Market but now are suddenly pro? This is a lie. All they are doing is exploiting the situation. surely the point is still valid? the vote was based on information and implications of which were not known at the time, and false claims and lies regardless of who said it? I'm not quite sure which side of the debate you've taken on this?
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| Midlands Eagle 09 Apr 19 6.18am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
surely the point is still valid? the vote was based on information and implications of which were not known at the time, and false claims and lies regardless of who said it? A bit like every General Election then especially 2010 when the Liberals made manifesto claims that they later reneged on. Should that election have been re-run?
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| Stirlingsays Online 09 Apr 19 6.25am |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Some more than others. Some lie more than others aswell. Leave campaigners lied their pants off, and some are still at it. Lie after lie, mistruth after mistruth. Its shameful. The vote was passed on the back of an absolute pack of lies.
All politician's lie.......when the argument is, 'my politician lies less than your politician'.....you're kind of getting lost in the weeds. If someone is prepared to lie, complaining about the size of the whopper becomes a matter of semantics. In my view, this isn't a credible argument for Remain. The best arguments for the EU centre on the holistic aims of the organization......Not something I believe in.....but they represent its only defence in my view.
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 becky over the moon 09 Apr 19 6.56am |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Regarding your question, the verbiage of article 50 states under procedure, section 2, and I quote: A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3)[12] of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council [of the European Union], acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament. So I would say it was fairly clear that a withdrawal agreement would be negotiated, and it was not a widespread viewpoint that we would simply leave without a deal or any discussions or agreements with the EU on how to leave. If I recall one of the aforementioned pack of lies by the leave campaign was the whopper by Liam Fox that the deal would be the "easiest thing in human history". So I guess as this was one of the main lies of the era, about how easy the WA would be, then those people reading that understood there would be a deal, and we would not automatically leave with no deal. Ok, so that sets out exactly what THE UNION must do - it does not say that it is mandatory for the leaving country to accept the terms offered. Since most leavers accepted from the start that we would never get a decent deal offered by the EU, hence why so many felt no-deal would be the default starting position.
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| dannyboy1978 09 Apr 19 7.02am |
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With such a tight legaly binding referendum I wonder if remain would stomach all this delay, confusion change of direction. Would they accept calls for another referendum?
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| Pussay Patrol 09 Apr 19 8.55am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
A bit like every General Election then especially 2010 when the Liberals made manifesto claims that they later reneged on. Should that election have been re-run? Yes. They're re run every 5 years. If they don't deliver you can vote a different way next time, and didn't the lib dems lose lots of seats as a result?
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| Teddy Eagle 09 Apr 19 9.29am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
surely the point is still valid? the vote was based on information and implications of which were not known at the time, and false claims and lies regardless of who said it? I'm not quite sure which side of the debate you've taken on this? Why should I have a side? I’ve already said I don’t understand the full ramifications either way. Emotionally I would leave, I don’t believe the EU has our best interests at heart, but is that enough to go on?
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| Pussay Patrol 09 Apr 19 10.01am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Why should I have a side? I’ve already said I don’t understand the full ramifications either way. Emotionally I would leave, I don’t believe the EU has our best interests at heart, but is that enough to go on? Exactly, if we're not 100% it's the best thing for our country we shouldn't leave You don't think a 2nd vote allays your concerns regarding democracy?
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| silvertop Portishead 09 Apr 19 10.02am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
A bit like every General Election then especially 2010 when the Liberals made manifesto claims that they later reneged on. Should that election have been re-run? Jesus not the student fees again. I made it clear about 10 pages back that the Liberals were compelled to drop this as part of their deal with the devil. That is, it was Tory policy forced on them Are you a goldfish?
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