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.TUX.  21 May 19 4.40am |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Wishes, hopes, nonsensical logic, idiotic small minded principles. The right has it all. We've been screwed by both the Left and the Right for decades.
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 Stirlingsays 21 May 19 4.42am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
This video sums up the left perfectly True, though he has better teeth than most of them.
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| Stirlingsays 21 May 19 4.57am |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
He sows division, xenophobia, racism and discord. He wants something desperately which will threaten peace in Ireland. You can't sow division if division doesn't already exist. Farage is articulating what many people feel and believe. What are you suggesting? That these objections be ignored or distorted to fit a false narrative? People deserve representation. Homogeneous populations don't have 'racism and discord'. So you are ignoring the root cause. Farage isn't responsible for the created situation. The left and neo liberals who supported high immigration in the first place are those who created the conditions for division. The left make expectations of human nature that aren't realistic and and then blame people for their reactions....when most of those pushing this politics live in homogeneous areas themselves. Originally posted by Maine Eagle
He has asked for something he has no idea how to deliver. He wants something which will cost jobs, livelihoods, families and will hurt society in the UK. Most of the world trade under WTO rules, including us, so that's nonsense. As for the deal we end up making you are just speculating...... Whatever the affect, it is a democratic right for the majority to choose their future. Did you oppose the Scottish referendum under the same principle? Originally posted by Maine Eagle
He has no manifesto and is playing to the baying mob to engender political support of his one dimensional party without publicly stating what his positions are on much of anything else. The clues in the name of the party. Unless he runs for the general election a manifesto isn't required and listening to him recently one is coming anyway. Originally posted by Maine Eagle
He admires Putin. That's weak and out of context. Originally posted by Maine Eagle
I smear Trump and Farage WITH FACTS (therefore not a smear at all) which right wing morons call "fake news" because they have no answer. You back up your posts with facts??? Sure you do. You are an expert on America because you spent a few weeks living in LA in a past life. You pushed Russian collusion, which turned out to be a democratic wet dream and excuse for losing. From what I can tell you just repeat what the anti Trump media tell you. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 May 2019 6.01am)
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| dannyboy1978 21 May 19 7.08am |
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So we have an in-out question in a legal legitimate referendum and now the chancellor Hammond says we must not bow down to right wing populism.
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 becky over the moon 21 May 19 7.34am |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
He sows division, xenophobia, racism and discord. He wants something desperately which will threaten peace in Ireland. He has asked for something he has no idea how to deliver. He wants something which will cost jobs, livelihoods, families and will hurt society in the UK. He has no manifesto and is playing to the baying mob to engender political support of his one dimensional party without publicly stating what his positions are on much of anything else. He admires Putin. I smear Trump and Farage WITH FACTS (therefore not a smear at all) which right wing morons call "fake news" because they have no answer. You back up your posts with facts??? Sure you do. You are an expert on America because you spent a few weeks living in LA in a past life. At last, you hit the nail on the head! He doesn't need a manifesto or anything else simply because his party is one-dimensional......... but it's the one dimension that no other party is offering: the GET US OUT OF EUROPE option that the majority voted for in the referendum. No if's,no But's just get us out without the UK being hand-tied, straight-jacketed or totally shackled hand and foot to the EU for the rest of our days. That is why people will use him (as he is only too well aware)as nothing more than a protest vote, so he and his ilk can go off the Brussels and create chaos and mayhem in the European Parliament until they become glad to see the back of us!
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| Badger11 Beckenham 21 May 19 7.39am |
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Originally posted by becky
At last, you hit the nail on the head! He doesn't need a manifesto or anything else simply because his party is one-dimensional......... but it's the one dimension that no other party is offering: the GET US OUT OF EUROPE option that the majority voted for in the referendum. No if's,no But's just get us out without the UK being hand-tied, straight-jacketed or totally shackled hand and foot to the EU for the rest of our days. That is why people will use him (as he is only too well aware)as nothing more than a protest vote, so he and his ilk can go off the Brussels and create chaos and mayhem in the European Parliament until they become glad to see the back of us! Agreed. I see Farage as a "tool to force through Brexit" nothing more than that. Of course I understand that many people just see Farage as a "tool". A vote for the Brexit party is nothing more than a protest vote to force the Tories and Labour to keep their manifesto commitments. Once that has been achieved The Brexit Party if still going will stand or fall on its policies like any other party.
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| Midlands Eagle 21 May 19 8.07am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Agreed squared
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| Stirlingsays 21 May 19 9.12am |
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Yep, Being a Ukip member I know more than most about Farage's manipulation of the truth regarding what has gone on. He has treated Ukip poorly. However, no leaver should lose sight of the overall aim, which is to regain independence from the EU as a sovereign country. To that aim Farage is a blunt force instrument. A common figure to rally around despite all the issues and differences. Farage is being so heavily attacked and is receiving so much flak precisely because he's squarely over the target and the one remainers fear. They know that via the Brexit party their tactics since the referendum are going to receive the public backlash they so richly deserve. Democracy will speak. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 May 2019 9.13am)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 21 May 19 9.31am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yep, Being a Ukip member I know more than most about Farage's manipulation of the truth regarding what has gone on. He has treated Ukip poorly. However, no leaver should lose sight of the overall aim, which is to regain independence from the EU as a sovereign country. To that aim Farage is a blunt force instrument. A common figure to rally around despite all the issues and differences. Farage is being so heavily attacked and is receiving so much flak precisely because he's squarely over the target and the one remainers fear. They know that via the Brexit party their tactics since the referendum are going to receive the public backlash they so richly deserve. Democracy will speak. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 May 2019 9.13am) Yes the desperation trying to stop him is amusing.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 May 19 9.39am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You pushed Russian collusion, which turned out to be a democratic wet dream and excuse for losing. From what I can tell you just repeat what the anti Trump media tell you. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 May 2019 6.01am) Are YOU still pushing these denials which are simply repeating what Trump tells you? Trying reading what those who have actually read the Mueller report say it says and what is said between the lines, and not what his lackey of a DJ says it says. That collusion is not yet proven doesn't mean it didn't happen or won't be proved. This is, of course, the wrong thread for this but those who make such false claims on one subject tend to make false claims on others.
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| Stirlingsays 21 May 19 9.53am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Are YOU still pushing these denials which are simply repeating what Trump tells you? Trying reading what those who have actually read the Mueller report say it says and what is said between the lines, and not what his lackey of a DJ says it says. That collusion is not yet proven doesn't mean it didn't happen or won't be proved. This is, of course, the wrong thread for this but those who make such false claims on one subject tend to make false claims on others. There was no Russian collusion by Trump. Mueller found nothing direct he could tie to the president and made no recommendations for prosecution. These are not denials but facts. I have since read the report and know just how the democrats and people like you spin to gain as much false narrative as you can. The only thing that Trump can be said to be guilty of is of requesting what could be framed as obstruction....however this wasn't carried out so again there is nothing actionable....I agree with the president making the job of those unethically looking to overthrown him as difficult as possible. It's you and Maine who have since before the report was published and since who have been pushing conspiracy theories and peddling falsehoods based upon your wish fulfillment. No collusion and you are a conspiracy theorist.
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| Midlands Eagle 21 May 19 10.17am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yep, Being a Ukip member I know more than most about Farage's manipulation of the truth regarding what has gone on. He has treated Ukip poorly. However, no leaver should lose sight of the overall aim, which is to regain independence from the EU as a sovereign country. To that aim Farage is a blunt force instrument. A common figure to rally around despite all the issues and differences. The next Prime Minister should make him Brexit Secretary which would shake the EU bigwigs out of their complacency
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