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Badger11 Beckenham 03 Jul 19 6.47pm
Back to Brexit Corbyn today hinted in PMQ's he has shifted position and now wants a second referendum. I think this is good news as it puts daylight between the parties, not good news if you are a Brexit Labour supporter of course. At least now the public have a clear choice who to support. This matters because I think we will have a GE in the next few months. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 03 Jul 19 6.47pm

Back to Brexit Corbyn today hinted in PMQ's he has shifted position and now wants a second referendum.

I think this is good news as it puts daylight between the parties, not good news if you are a Brexit Labour supporter of course.

At least now the public have a clear choice who to support. This matters because I think we will have a GE in the next few months.

One more point

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cryrst The garden of England 03 Jul 19 7.26pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Back to Brexit Corbyn today hinted in PMQ's he has shifted position and now wants a second referendum. I think this is good news as it puts daylight between the parties, not good news if you are a Brexit Labour supporter of course. At least now the public have a clear choice who to support. This matters because I think we will have a GE in the next few months. Good then we can rid ourselves of this odious self serving jew hating old t***.
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The garden of England 03 Jul 19 7.26pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Back to Brexit Corbyn today hinted in PMQ's he has shifted position and now wants a second referendum.

I think this is good news as it puts daylight between the parties, not good news if you are a Brexit Labour supporter of course.

At least now the public have a clear choice who to support. This matters because I think we will have a GE in the next few months.

Good then we can rid ourselves of this odious self serving jew hating old t***.

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W12 03 Jul 19 9.44pm
Originally posted by cryrst Good then we can rid ourselves of this odious self serving jew hating old t***. I guess that splits the remain vote between labour, green and the libtards which is great news. Still need to bring down the tories to be sure of a Brexit party win. Hunt it is then! Edited by W12 (03 Jul 2019 9.45pm)
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W12 03 Jul 19 9.44pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Good then we can rid ourselves of this odious self serving jew hating old t***.

I guess that splits the remain vote between labour, green and the libtards which is great news.

Still need to bring down the tories to be sure of a Brexit party win. Hunt it is then!

Edited by W12 (03 Jul 2019 9.45pm)

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ChrisGC Wantage 03 Jul 19 11.33pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays That'll keep Maple happy. Whereas for us it's pure clown world and long term self harming....unless these are strictly time limited and citizen settlement status is off the table. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jul 2019 3.53pm) Why should it be off the table? This is exactly the sort of immigration that should be encouraged! Forget the return bit. Nurses, doctors, engineers, bring it on. It's the 2 million unskilled east European labourers and couriers ripping the arse out of economy that needs stopping along with the million illegal cab drivers with no grasp of civilised culture coming from pakistan, Somalia, Syria, the middle East (you know the s*** holes I mean) to rape the benefits system. I'm all for necessary and enriching immigration.
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Wantage 03 Jul 19 11.33pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That'll keep Maple happy.

Whereas for us it's pure clown world and long term self harming....unless these are strictly time limited and citizen settlement status is off the table.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jul 2019 3.53pm)

Why should it be off the table? This is exactly the sort of immigration that should be encouraged! Forget the return bit.
Nurses, doctors, engineers, bring it on. It's the 2 million unskilled east European labourers and couriers ripping the arse out of economy that needs stopping along with the million illegal cab drivers with no grasp of civilised culture coming from pakistan, Somalia, Syria, the middle East (you know the s*** holes I mean) to rape the benefits system.

I'm all for necessary and enriching immigration.

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Stirlingsays 04 Jul 19 10.40am
Originally posted by ChrisGC Why should it be off the table? This is exactly the sort of immigration that should be encouraged! Forget the return bit. Nurses, doctors, engineers, bring it on. It's the 2 million unskilled east European labourers and couriers ripping the arse out of economy that needs stopping along with the million illegal cab drivers with no grasp of civilised culture coming from pakistan, Somalia, Syria, the middle East (you know the s*** holes I mean) to rape the benefits system. I'm all for necessary and enriching immigration. Because England is only England because it has a majority of English people in it.....the clue is in the name. I wish to live in a country that is for the English and has a majority of English in it.....I think every country has a right to that hegemonic self defining reality....and indeed it's only in Europe where this is even questioned. If you continue with an immigration policy that doesn't reflect the requirement to maintain that country's internal hegemony then ultimately you create social and cultural upheaval, segregation by house price and other means.....ultimately the higher the multi-cultural mix the higher the malcontent. So I'm for the immigration policies of countries such as Japan or Israel, where citizenship for foreigners is difficult and rules keep them as secondary. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jul 2019 10.42am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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04 Jul 19 10.40am

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Why should it be off the table? This is exactly the sort of immigration that should be encouraged! Forget the return bit.
Nurses, doctors, engineers, bring it on. It's the 2 million unskilled east European labourers and couriers ripping the arse out of economy that needs stopping along with the million illegal cab drivers with no grasp of civilised culture coming from pakistan, Somalia, Syria, the middle East (you know the s*** holes I mean) to rape the benefits system.

I'm all for necessary and enriching immigration.

Because England is only England because it has a majority of English people in it.....the clue is in the name.

I wish to live in a country that is for the English and has a majority of English in it.....I think every country has a right to that hegemonic self defining reality....and indeed it's only in Europe where this is even questioned.

If you continue with an immigration policy that doesn't reflect the requirement to maintain that country's internal hegemony then ultimately you create social and cultural upheaval, segregation by house price and other means.....ultimately the higher the multi-cultural mix the higher the malcontent.

So I'm for the immigration policies of countries such as Japan or Israel, where citizenship for foreigners is difficult and rules keep them as secondary.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jul 2019 10.42am)

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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Jul 19 11.02am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Because England is only England because it has a majority of English people in it.....the clue is in the name. I wish to live in a country that is for the English and has a majority of English in it.....I think every country has a right to that hegemonic self defining reality....and indeed it's only in Europe where this is even questioned. If you continue with an immigration policy that doesn't reflect the requirement to maintain that country's internal hegemony then ultimately you create social and cultural upheaval, segregation by house price and other means.....ultimately the higher the multi-cultural mix the higher the malcontent. So I'm for the immigration policies of countries such as Japan or Israel, where citizenship for foreigners is difficult and rules keep them as secondary. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jul 2019 10.42am) Indeed. And when Parliament eventually has a majority of non Europeans in it, we won't even have control of our own country. In fact, with our system, it will happen a long time before that.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Because England is only England because it has a majority of English people in it.....the clue is in the name.

So I'm for the immigration policies of countries such as Japan or Israel, where citizenship for foreigners is difficult and rules keep them as secondary.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jul 2019 10.42am)

Indeed. And when Parliament eventually has a majority of non Europeans in it, we won't even have control of our own country. In fact, with our system, it will happen a long time before that.

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Maine Eagle USA 04 Jul 19 11.37am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Because England is only England because it has a majority of English people in it.....the clue is in the name. I wish to live in a country that is for the English and has a majority of English in it.....I think every country has a right to that hegemonic self defining reality....and indeed it's only in Europe where this is even questioned. If you continue with an immigration policy that doesn't reflect the requirement to maintain that country's internal hegemony then ultimately you create social and cultural upheaval, segregation by house price and other means.....ultimately the higher the multi-cultural mix the higher the malcontent. So I'm for the immigration policies of countries such as Japan or Israel, where citizenship for foreigners is difficult and rules keep them as secondary. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jul 2019 10.42am) [Link] [Link] Uh oh. Hmmmm. North Korea? Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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Maine Eagle

USA 04 Jul 19 11.37am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Because England is only England because it has a majority of English people in it.....the clue is in the name.

So I'm for the immigration policies of countries such as Japan or Israel, where citizenship for foreigners is difficult and rules keep them as secondary.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jul 2019 10.42am)

[Link]

Uh oh.

Hmmmm. North Korea?

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Maine Eagle USA 04 Jul 19 11.38am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Indeed. And when Parliament eventually has a majority of non Europeans in it, we won't even have control of our own country. In fact, with our system, it will happen a long time before that. Where to begin. So Europeans are ok now? It’s the non Europeans we have an issue with? Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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Maine Eagle

USA 04 Jul 19 11.38am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Indeed. And when Parliament eventually has a majority of non Europeans in it, we won't even have control of our own country. In fact, with our system, it will happen a long time before that.

Where to begin.

So Europeans are ok now? It’s the non Europeans we have an issue with?

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Stirlingsays 04 Jul 19 11.48am
Originally posted by Maine Eagle [Link] [Link] Uh oh. Hmmmm. North Korea? You should read your links Maine. There is nothing inconsistent with what Japan is doing. They are increasing the numbers of 'foreign workers' but they aren't allowing them a path to citizenship.....once the permit ends....bye bye foreigner. The 'foreign worker' idea is thousands of years old and I have no issues with it....as long as it is implemented properly....They can do that in Japan because a non Japanese person is far easier to spot. Anyway hence Japan stays Japanese and keeps its culture and inherent Japanese nature. As for Israel.....Duh Maine....Israel is composed of mostly European Jews who emigrated there last century. They aren't going to lose their Jewishness by allowing more Jews to emigrate there are they. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jul 2019 11.58am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

04 Jul 19 11.48am

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

[Link]

Uh oh.

Hmmmm. North Korea?

You should read your links Maine.

There is nothing inconsistent with what Japan is doing.

They are increasing the numbers of 'foreign workers' but they aren't allowing them a path to citizenship.....once the permit ends....bye bye foreigner.

The 'foreign worker' idea is thousands of years old and I have no issues with it....as long as it is implemented properly....They can do that in Japan because a non Japanese person is far easier to spot.

Anyway hence Japan stays Japanese and keeps its culture and inherent Japanese nature.

As for Israel.....Duh Maine....Israel is composed of mostly European Jews who emigrated there last century.

They aren't going to lose their Jewishness by allowing more Jews to emigrate there are they.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jul 2019 11.58am)

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Maine Eagle USA 04 Jul 19 12.16pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You should read your links Maine. There is nothing inconsistent with what Japan is doing. They are increasing the numbers of 'foreign workers' but they aren't allowing them a path to citizenship.....once the permit ends....bye bye foreigner. The 'foreign worker' idea is thousands of years old and I have no issues with it....as long as it is implemented properly....They can do that in Japan because a non Japanese person is far easier to spot. Anyway hence Japan stays Japanese and keeps its culture and inherent Japanese nature. As for Israel.....Duh Maine....Israel is composed of mostly European Jews who emigrated there last century. They aren't going to lose their Jewishness by allowing more Jews to emigrate there are they. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jul 2019 11.58am) Japan literally just changed its policies and if being a citizen is your issue then how is letting in people of the same religion ok for you ala Israel? Not sure you picked the best 2 cases there but what do you think about my suggestion, NK? You need to pick your issue, is it race, religion, nationality or are you going for the hat trick? Plenty of the migrants you have an issue with in the UK are Christians, Stirly. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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Maine Eagle

USA 04 Jul 19 12.16pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You should read your links Maine.

There is nothing inconsistent with what Japan is doing.

They are increasing the numbers of 'foreign workers' but they aren't allowing them a path to citizenship.....once the permit ends....bye bye foreigner.

Anyway hence Japan stays Japanese and keeps its culture and inherent Japanese nature.

As for Israel.....Duh Maine....Israel is composed of mostly European Jews who emigrated there last century.

They aren't going to lose their Jewishness by allowing more Jews to emigrate there are they.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jul 2019 11.58am)

Japan literally just changed its policies and if being a citizen is your issue then how is letting in people of the same religion ok for you ala Israel? Not sure you picked the best 2 cases there but what do you think about my suggestion, NK?

You need to pick your issue, is it race, religion, nationality or are you going for the hat trick?

Plenty of the migrants you have an issue with in the UK are Christians, Stirly.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Badger11 Beckenham 04 Jul 19 12.45pm
The latest polls put Corbyn at his lowest rating ever. Interesting comment from the pollster as to why. He felt that Labour's position on Brexit which is to try and keep the middle ground between Brexiteers and Remainers is killing them. He says that positions over Brexit have hardened so the vast majority of voters now either back Brexit or Remain, there is no middle ground. Or as he put Labour is trying to fish in a very small pond. Corbyn is now hinting he is shifting his position but the reality is that at some point Labour will have to go Remain and risk losing Brexit voters because at the moment they are losing both Remain and Brexit voters who are migrating to parties with clear policies. This is one area where holding the middle ground doesn't work. Pick a side Labour, pick a side. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 04 Jul 19 12.45pm

The latest polls put Corbyn at his lowest rating ever.

Interesting comment from the pollster as to why. He felt that Labour's position on Brexit which is to try and keep the middle ground between Brexiteers and Remainers is killing them.

He says that positions over Brexit have hardened so the vast majority of voters now either back Brexit or Remain, there is no middle ground.

Or as he put Labour is trying to fish in a very small pond. Corbyn is now hinting he is shifting his position but the reality is that at some point Labour will have to go Remain and risk losing Brexit voters because at the moment they are losing both Remain and Brexit voters who are migrating to parties with clear policies.

This is one area where holding the middle ground doesn't work. Pick a side Labour, pick a side.

One more point

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