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deleted user Flag 07 Jul 19 2.44am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If.

The problem here is that you are essentially stating the same policies that have placed us into our current situation. Especially since there will be no significant changes to immigration policies.

Ethnicity isn't just about genetics but genetics matter all the same. Who brings you up matters massively. The location of your birth matters but, in reality it's secondary.....Our current ideas need to shift to reflect this.

Rudyard Kipling was born in India.....So is anyone seriously suggesting Kipling was an Indian?

David Gower was born in India......So is anyone seriously suggesting Gower is an Indian?

Keanu Reeves was born in Beirut....So Reeves could be Lebanese then?

To completely ignore genetics is to ignore reality.

I accept that a person born in and having a genuine allegiance to a country is its national regardless of genetics. That's because ethnicity is more than just genetics.

However, there needs to be a common sense acceptance at what has happened. We were told immigrants from very different cultures would integrate, but only a minority did and it's been decades now....The reality is that very few non whites call themselves English.

To state it doesn't matter is to say England remaining English doesn't matter.

I can't imagine that any immigration policy you would promote would in effect keep England English long term.....that might not matter to you, but it does to me.

Like Japan and Israel, China and in fact most countries outside Europe understand, this matters. The numbers matter....who owns what matters.

Hell even the Dalai Lama says and recognises that numbers matter. He says Europe is for Europeans....He specifically said, Germany is for Germans and hence England is for the English....the clue is in the name.

The UK is a northern European country and its policies should reflect and protect that. If some want to call that racist, then that's a burden the rest of us will have to carry.....I don't see the Japanese weeping about what others think.

This is a numbers game and what you don't protect you lose......and the English are losing....a minority in their own capital and soon to be a minority in Birmingham.


Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2019 12.37pm)


If the idea of a person being born somewhere and having allegiance to it just isn't always enough for you, because people can maintain links to elsewhere or don't have genetic roots there, then in their own way the examples you gave add an interestingly perspective..

These examples if anything offer a view that while being born somewhere certainly can count for something, if you are removed from there and settle elsewhere from a young age that can also loom large over your identity. If Keanu Reeves had remained in his place of birth, it's very likely that he'd have felt much more 'of that place' than he now does and that people would have viewed him as being Lebanese. In fact with parents from two different countries neither of which he was even born in or settled in, he now views himself to be Canadian.. and I'm happy to view him as such if that's where his allegiance lies. I'm not going to endlessly scrutinise a subjective measure of whether he belongs in Canada or is Canadian. And nor would you.. though primarily due to his race.

Assimilation certainly matters, yes for instance people importing strident religious views. Does that ebb away into nothingness the moment someone enters a new country? Often no. Where people are effectively dumped together in an area they're more likely to retain more of that identity, than say if their presence was based solely on a very limited number of skilled job vacancies pertaining to various occupational and geographical areas.


Edited by dollardays (07 Jul 2019 3.06am)

 

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deleted user Flag 07 Jul 19 3.24am

The endless hyper focus and musing though on 'just how much' someone really belongs here or doesn't based on their genetics too in unhelpful. Where there is allegiance and this is the patch of land you are born and grow up on, this is home and you do not need to be validated or anointed by others in begrudging acceptance. There isn't a default additional value to your presence or your view based on the colour of your skin or your genetics, other than perhaps in your own head.

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Originally posted by dollardays

If the idea of a person being born somewhere and having allegiance to it just isn't always enough for you, because people can maintain links to elsewhere or don't have genetic roots there, then in their own way the examples you gave add an interestingly perspective..

Watch the cricket World Cup semi final this week and see which players don't sing the national anthem.

In the games that I have watched Moeen Ali and Adil Rashid made no attempt to sing but oddly enough our Irish captain Eoin Morgan did.

Both Ali and Rashid were UK born of pakistani heritage

 

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.TUX. Flag 07 Jul 19 8.41am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

It must be brexit.
BBC News - Ford to cut 12,000 jobs in Europe
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It must be Brexit #(i've lost count!)

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Buy Litecoin.

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Originally posted by steeleye20

The EU is more democratic than the UK could ever be.

You really have surpassed yourself with this reply, presumably you mean because we wont accept the referendum result, as I cannot see how else you have reached this conclusion....please explain

 

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Heard it all now!! Interesting she only seemed concerned at losing benefits and having to get a job!
Lucky to be able to afford a car and drink all day when not working.

 

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Bloody brexit
BBC News - Deutsche Bank could cut up to 20,000 jobs
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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 07 Jul 19 11.35am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

The media are doing an avalanche of scaremongering stories about brexit. Are the Swiss not doing fine and dandy outside the toxic EU ?

 


from the Etihad, Emirates, Molyneux, London Stadium, the Vitality, turf moor & Anfield to Old Trafford.....Raptors on the Road

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Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Bloody brexit
BBC News - Deutsche Bank could cut up to 20,000 jobs
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No surprise there - haven't they been claiming that Deutsche Bank has been on the brink of collapse for the last couple of years? Certainly since before ew had the referendum!

 


A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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The news should be why hasn't this already put in place, we were suppose to leave in March?
BBC News - UK plans 3m no-deal medicine transport
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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 07 Jul 19 12.40pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

And the latest from our beloved mainstream media : just after brexit, the sky will fall down

 


from the Etihad, Emirates, Molyneux, London Stadium, the Vitality, turf moor & Anfield to Old Trafford.....Raptors on the Road

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Originally posted by dannyboy1978

The news should be why hasn't this already put in place, we were suppose to leave in March?
BBC News - UK plans 3m no-deal medicine transport
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Good point perhaps we should ask the civil service that question. They have had 3 years to prepare for Brexit and seem to be dragging their feet as badly as the MPs.

 


One more point

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