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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 07 Jul 19 9.49pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

Yes it is. much like sexual identity we all get to procreate with exactly who we wish to. I know many couples, most white, some mixed. Who cares. However, beyond your own partner how others live their lives is down to them. Beyond that and of course immigration policy, you don't get to configure a country along whatever racial or sexual lines you feel most comfortable with. It is what it is.

It seems to me that by promoting lifestyles that would increase the number of same sex relationships and hence reduce reproduction rates is doing exactly that...You are indeed supporting the 'configuring of society'....but just along the lines that you want.

I as said, I think you have an internal inconsistency between your views of the sexual and that of the racial.

To take your wider point....I have a certain acceptance of the general principle.....However, like I've stated people following your principles are walking into demographic replacement.

Similar to what the Dalai Lama said, England is for the English.....A country like Japan, China and many others outside Europe protect their biological heritage and I ask for nothing more.....I view that as highly important as people with your views enable its destruction.


 

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deleted user Flag 07 Jul 19 9.54pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It seems to me that by promoting lifestyles that would increase the number of same sex relationships and hence reduce reproduction rates is doing exactly that...You are indeed supporting the 'configuring of society'....but just along the lines that you want.

I as said, I think you have an internal inconsistency between your views of the sexual and that of the racial.

To take your wider point....I have a certain acceptance of the general principle.....However, like I've stated people following your principles are walking into demographic replacement.

Similar to what the Dalai Lama said, England is for the English.....A country like Japan, China and many others outside Europe protect their biological heritage and I ask for nothing more.....I view that as highly important as people with your views enable its destruction.


It must get tiring between suggesting on here that eugenics will remove homosexuality and then thinking that we can magically make people gay through 'promoting a lifestyle'. Interesting that you're all for the tinkering of genes but very protective of mixing them with someone who looks a bit different. Still, each to their own. Who people partner with, sexualy or racially is outside of my domain. Treating people with decency regardless of their race of sexuality is not.

In any case, as stated, where is the relevance of anything you're saying to me. I'm not beckoning in anyone from overseas, nor do i approve of anything other than levels of immigration based around need. If there is no need then zero is fine.


Edited by dollardays (07 Jul 2019 9.56pm)

 

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Originally posted by dollardays

This isn't sound bawdy joke which is the polar opposite of your actual beliefs though is it. This is someone reeling out talk of 'degenerate fags' as a 'joke' who previously said that you have no obligation to treat gays in any way because they live 'a lifestyle you don't like' and who primed to remove their kids from school if theyre taught about gay relationships. Your behaviour is a lack of familial decency and allegiance, so yes it's a laugh that you whine about others lack of assimilation when effectively that is an accurate description of your own behaviour.

So much inaccuracy.....like I've said before with you you make weak deductions from statements to support contentions you make up.

Some gays live a lifestyle I don't like.....Hell the very joke says that.....Jesus!

I'm clear with my views. I don't hide them. I don't appreciate you portraying positions I don't really hold because you don't like how I think.....Really calling me 'hateful'....you're a parody of a 'identity politics' progressive yourself.....Who Carlin was taking the pIss out of.

The rest of that over long paragraph reads like a badly formed waffle ending to some silly notion that I'm not assimilated.

Originally posted by dollardays

I don't agree with censoring any words. Carlin was a decent man who had plenty of time for everyone regardless of colour or creed. That ain't you. Unless people share your exacting sensibilities you're marking off demographics like an OAP at bingo.

Edited by dollardays (07 Jul 2019 9.47pm)

So what are you saying here....If people you approve of use words like 'fag' that's ok but if those you view as 'hateful' use it you're going to melt like a snowflake?

You have some issues Word Up.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jul 2019 10.01pm)

 

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deleted user Flag 07 Jul 19 10.08pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So what are you saying here....If people you approve of use words like 'fag' that's ok but if those you view as 'hateful' use it you're going to melt like a snowflake?

You have some issues Word Up.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jul 2019 10.01pm)

More fantasy. I didn't say you can't use what words you like.

"Yeah hilarious. Let's pepper the place with the n word too shall we, that's be a right laugh. All harmless fun. The point stands, you offer no standard when you throw around words like that towards groups you're not keen on who engage in 'lifestyles you don't like'. Stop whining about it when your lack of basic decency is highlighted."

You use what words you like and I'll take a view on it. Of course that's an unbelievable notion to you, but that's actually what free speech is. If you want to reel of f*g or branch out into jokes about n*ggers next that's you for. Two groups you have issues with, so neither would be particularly surprising.

 

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Originally posted by dollardays

It must get tiring between suggesting on here that eugenics will remove homosexuality and then thinking that we can magically make people gay through 'promoting a lifestyle'.

So are you seriously suggesting that the promotion of homosexuality as an equal choice for women....who statistically have much higher rates of bisexuality....isn't...if successfully implemented over years going to add to the decrease in reproduction rates?

As for eugenics.....why would you care Wordy?....you are appartently so against identity politics....who cares if the northern European English disappear so likewise who cares if the homosexual disappears?

I never actually said that anyway. But how revealing that you would quote me out of context....probably not deliberately in this case as I suspect you just forgot what I added.

Regardless of the genetic science of the far off future homosexuality will never totally 'disappear' as firstly genes are affected by environment to differing degrees and secondly sexuality can be affected by circumstance....as the noises coming from some prison cells would attest to.

But very long term it's probable that all sexuality will be affected and controlled....as will race.

Originally posted by dollardays

Interesting that you're all for the tinkering of genes but very protective of mixing them with someone who looks a bit different. Still, each to their own.

Edited by dollardays (07 Jul 2019 9.56pm)

I'm protective on a national policy level....I hold the same contention that many actual countries hold.

However, at the individual level, you over extend my attitude. People's choices are their own.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jul 2019 10.24pm)

 

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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 07 Jul 19 10.24pm

Originally posted by dollardays

More fantasy. I didn't say you can't use what words you like.

"Yeah hilarious. Let's pepper the place with the n word too shall we, that's be a right laugh. All harmless fun. The point stands, you offer no standard when you throw around words like that towards groups you're not keen on who engage in 'lifestyles you don't like'. Stop whining about it when your lack of basic decency is highlighted."

You use what words you like and I'll take a view on it. Of course that's an unbelievable notion to you, but that's actually what free speech is. If you want to reel of f*g or branch out into jokes about n*ggers next that's you for. Two groups you have issues with, so neither would be particularly surprising.

Knew you were the sort to shout racist when you're losing the argument.

Disgraceful.

 

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deleted user Flag 07 Jul 19 10.27pm

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Knew you were the sort to shout racist when you're losing the argument.

Disgraceful.

You were angry about Stormzy's use of homophobic language the other day. Fine now though of course. Opportunist.

Shoo.


Edited by dollardays (07 Jul 2019 10.29pm)

 

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deleted user Flag 07 Jul 19 10.32pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm protective on a national policy level....I hold the same contention that many actual countries hold.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jul 2019 10.24pm)

So am I

 

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deleted user Flag 07 Jul 19 10.34pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Whether or not the focus upon 'belonging' is helpful or not seems incredibly quaint to me. Like you regard it as purely an academic question instead of one that I regard as at the core of this country's future.

I would restate, your line of reasoning is just a repeating of the same policies that have managed to place us into where we are now.

Look at where we are from what we were told would happen about integration and assimilation...the higher murder and crime rates and the demographic transformation.....it's chalk and cheese from what people were told to expect. Only the misguided or even worse those blissfully ignorant think that by continuing with a failed strategy that it's eventually just going to come good.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jul 2019 8.25pm)

Well, no because I don't have a policy of agreeing with or in the least bit encouraging mass immigration, so none of this has anything to do with me. I have at times voted solely due to immigration policy.


My interest is in countering the kind of tribal hysteria that's on the both ends of the political spectrum. Partly fueled by perfectly legitimate concerns, and partly because nuance doesn't rate or sell online. It isn't valued, so people buy into the comforting 'off the shelf' beliefs and terminologies that are of limited use in real life interactions. It's certainly what you've done. So yes, from that perspective I would be perfectly fine with a pause of there being 'zero' immigration or right of citizenship for anyone for years on end. None. So effectively the current Japanese approach. Then from there basing requirements on vacancies we need filled, based on an individuals skillset and character. Clearly mass immigration doesn't come without a cost and I don't feel anyone aside from corporations are particularly 'missing out' if we swerve another couple of million people comes here over the next 5 years.

Your approach however will turn people away from the outcomes you desire, not towards them. Slurs, and negative fixations on genetics, race and sexualities that make up the average family and friend group.. Such a 'my way or the highway' attitude to life is detached from the average persons understanding of how to get along with others. Perhaps you don't have a group to get along with as such and so feel no need to value cooperation. I don't know. It's not my concern.

If you're looking for gather support for a view, rather than achieve the opposite, it would surely be better to simply get behind messages that can narrowly have majority support .. Talk of needing to limit numbers due to issues with assimilation.. the housing crisis.. the need to support the younger generations... lack of resources to pick up the responsibility to teach people entirely new language.. lack of jobs for those already here.. a strained health care system.. and vote accordingly, which I would argue people are doing more now anyway. That can gain majority support.

Countless people hold those views, but most they certainly don't behave towards and perceive groups the way you elect to. But yeah, the consequences for those around you is for them to navigate. Good luck to 'em.


Edited by dollardays (07 Jul 2019 10.39pm)

 

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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 07 Jul 19 10.49pm

Originally posted by dollardays

You were angry about Stormzy's use of homophobic language the other day. Fine now though of course. Opportunist.

Shoo.


Edited by dollardays (07 Jul 2019 10.29pm)

Since when did you implying someone's a racist have anything to do with Stomrzy acting the arse?

You're really not very good at back tracking.

 

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deleted user Flag 07 Jul 19 10.53pm

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Since when did you implying someone's a racist have anything to do with Stomrzy acting the arse?

You're really not very good at back tracking.

I stated a poster had used a homophobic slur and that it's no better in my mind than using a racist one.

You attacked Stormzy the other day due to using the very same slur. Of course none of that matters to you now does it because this is an opportunity. An in.

If the shoe fits.

I won't be replying to you again.


Edited by dollardays (07 Jul 2019 10.54pm)

 

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I'll visit the thread tomorrow Wordy and look at your latest.....I'm a bit old man tired and I've got to head off and do some hating on people....I'm sure you understand.

This hate don't spread itself.

 

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