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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 07 Jul 19 1.10pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Good point perhaps we should ask the civil service that question. They have had 3 years to prepare for Brexit and seem to be dragging their feet as badly as the MPs.

I can assure you the Home Office

 

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deleted user Flag 07 Jul 19 5.10pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

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But yes, I highlighted in the post(s) that assimilation can be an issue and as such it's a good idea for immigration to be based on very limited need, rather than a failed mass immigration approach. Especially where religion factors in, it's clear that allegiance can be a very splintered thing.

I wouldn't be crying into my cornflakes if we limited immigration to zero. It's not something I'm ideologically wedded to.


Still, a display of allegiance to your countrymen, or lack of, can manifest itself in many ways and is a responsibility of all. My British born black and mixed mates don't need to be given some kind of special seal of approval from someone who 'prefers European ethnicity', harps on about genetics non stop and refers to gay people as 'fags'. Some people need to learn how to assimilate into their own society rather than just perpetually cast stones at others. Valuing societal and familial ties is not always about how someone else behaves.


Edited by dollardays (07 Jul 2019 6.15pm)

 

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View elgrande's Profile elgrande Flag bedford 07 Jul 19 5.25pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

The media are doing an avalanche of scaremongering stories about brexit. Are the Swiss not doing fine and dandy outside the toxic EU ?

I will let you know on Friday,when I fly out.

 


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deleted user Flag 07 Jul 19 5.32pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

And the latest from our beloved mainstream media : just after brexit, the sky will fall down

You would think so from some. I think it pays to be more circumspect and for those worried about it, I don't see life changing dramatically if we do leave. Deals and the like will be expedited when Brexit happens and until that time it's hard to thrash these things out.

If people are worried about a financial hit for a period of the time, well for those who voted leave largely it was not about the money anyway, but instead the sovereignty..

And for remainers, if someone Brexit fails miserably over a period of many years, then there is always the option to keep campaigning to re-enter. That's democracy for you. But the vote was the vote and it should be respected.

But I can't predict the future. Maybe there will be GE and God only knows how that will pan out and what the consequences of it could be. If I could go back in time I think I'd throw my TV into a skip free three back and just wait until it's all eventually settled.

 

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deleted user Flag 07 Jul 19 5.49pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

The media are doing an avalanche of scaremongering stories about brexit. Are the Swiss not doing fine and dandy outside the toxic EU ?

It's a good point. With any significant political decision there are changes both good and bad, but autonomy may well result in many opportunities that we don't yet even realise. It doesn't need to be viewed as all doom and gloom. Things balance out.

 

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.TUX. Flag 07 Jul 19 5.56pm

Originally posted by becky

No surprise there - haven't they been claiming that Deutsche Bank has been on the brink of collapse for the last couple of years? Certainly since before ew had the referendum!

DB is a s***fest of (global) derivatives waiting to explode but some say the German public may well have to bail them out.
That'll go down well with Fritz, not!............and they're still massively implicated in the largest money-laundering fraud in European history (aided by our friends in the bloc).
When s*** that truly matters is never reported and many are constantly proven to be above the law, then you really have to smell a rat.

Unless of course you're 'Wisbech'.

 


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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 07 Jul 19 6.57pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by .TUX.

DB is a s***fest of (global) derivatives waiting to explode but some say the German public may well have to bail them out.
That'll go down well with Fritz, not!............and they're still massively implicated in the largest money-laundering fraud in European history (aided by our friends in the bloc).
When s*** that truly matters is never reported and many are constantly proven to be above the law, then you really have to smell a rat.

Unless of course you're 'Wisbech'.

Let's just hope it can hang on in there until after we have left, so we don't get the EU begging bowl being rattled under our noses to help bail it out.


By the way, has anyone seen any mention recently of all those million/billions that we still have tied up in the ECB, which they were threatening not to let us have back when we leave? Nobody seems to ever mention it these days.

 


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.TUX. Flag 07 Jul 19 7.22pm

Originally posted by becky

Let's just hope it can hang on in there until after we have left, so we don't get the EU begging bowl being rattled under our noses to help bail it out.

I'm not too sure they can due to current EU Rulings. The DB s***fest being 'shared' by the French' was once aired but it seems that it's a sovereign matter.

By the way, has anyone seen any mention recently of all those million/billions that we still have tied up in the ECB, which they were threatening not to let us have back when we leave? Nobody seems to ever mention it these days.

The ECB also holds the Italian gold and refuse to give it back to the Italians.

This is demockracy in action, eh 'Steely' n Co

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 07 Jul 19 8.07pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by .TUX.

DB is a s***fest of (global) derivatives waiting to explode but some say the German public may well have to bail them out.
That'll go down well with Fritz, not!............and they're still massively implicated in the largest money-laundering fraud in European history (aided by our friends in the bloc).
When s*** that truly matters is never reported and many are constantly proven to be above the law, then you really have to smell a rat.

Unless of course you're 'Wisbech'.

Strange tux.
Your second last line fits very well into the thread just above this atm.

 

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 07 Jul 19 8.13pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by elgrande

I will let you know on Friday,when I fly out.

Did you need a Visa too fly to Switzerland? No of course not how silly of me....

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 07 Jul 19 8.15pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

The endless hyper focus and musing though on 'just how much' someone really belongs here or doesn't based on their genetics too in unhelpful. Where there is allegiance and this is the patch of land you are born and grow up on, this is home and you do not need to be validated or anointed by others in begrudging acceptance. There isn't a default additional value to your presence or your view based on the colour of your skin or your genetics, other than perhaps in your own head.

Edited by dollardays (07 Jul 2019 3.26am)

Whether or not the focus upon 'belonging' is helpful or not seems incredibly quaint to me. Like you regard it as purely an academic question instead of one that I regard as at the core of this country's future.

I would restate, your line of reasoning is just a repeating of the same policies that have managed to place us into where we are now.

Look at where we are from what we were told would happen about integration and assimilation...the higher murder and crime rates and the demographic transformation.....it's chalk and cheese from what people were told to expect. Only the misguided or even worse those blissfully ignorant think that by continuing with a failed strategy that it's eventually just going to come good.

Your continued attachment to the egalitarian principles of your two posts may be laudable if they actually worked.....Instead from what I can see they are merely wish fulfillment statements about how you'd like human nature to work.....not how human nature actually does work....All I see from them is the build up of resentment and increased tribalism as this failed message of 'accept' grows louder and more enforced.

I was raised with versions of the egalitarian arguments you made. Indeed, up until relatively recently I believed in some of it and pushed versions of it as a teacher. These arguments around equality and fairness instinctively appeal to reasonable people because it's about moving beyond identity to our inherent humanity.

If it actually worked I'd still be supporting it.....The reality is that it can only ever partially work and non homogeneous societies work far less better than their opposite.

Despite these egalitarian arguments being known for thousands of years it is only really strongly accepted in Europe among white Europeans. The Chinese even mock these attitudes with the 'Baizuo' slur and we see precious little impact of the 'your racial identity isn't important' argument in other racial groups......Whites are judged within a prism of double standards.

The Chinese, Japanese, Israelis and all the rest of them know what the eventual destination is for their nations if they embraced these ideologies.

The people you need to put these arguments to aren't the few whites who are beginning to value their identity. No, indeed, your arguments should be directed towards the groups within our country whose group preference is much higher and remains unchanged.
But therein lies another truth....that has already been done and failed. The arguments you made here has indeed been pushed with these groups for decades and it's had minimal affect.

The reasons Jordan Peterson is rightly criticized, in my view, in this area is because he fails to recognise or admit to the fact that his anti Identitarian message isn't being listened to in any significant numbers by anyone other than whites: Europeans or from the wider Anglosphere.

Hence in effect, all he achieves is to recommend that people don't get upset as their group identity slowly loses power.

Instead, rather than your general mutterings about immigration policies that are unlikely to be changed to any great degree to any great extent.....i instead take the view that the English/Scottish/Welsh and indeed Irish or whichever magnetic direction start to take their identities as having some value beyond mere descriptions of a place.

Before they no longer have that option.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jul 2019 8.25pm)

 

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Originally posted by dollardays

The endless hyper focus and musing though on 'just how much' someone really belongs here or doesn't based on their genetics too in unhelpful. Where there is allegiance and this is the patch of land you are born and grow up on, this is home and you do not need to be validated or anointed by others in begrudging acceptance. There isn't a default additional value to your presence or your view based on the colour of your skin or your genetics, other than perhaps in your own head.

Edited by dollardays (07 Jul 2019 3.26am)


I'd also like to answer the same points with a focus on these identity questions as it relates to society, Islam and homosexuality.

I heard Douglas Murray recently describe where society is right now as a 'catastrophe', and while I can almost certainly be accused of being a grumpy old man I rather tend to agree with him....as I do on many things.

His point was meant as a general one as a commentary on social conservatism and what he sees as cultural decline in the west.....but I would relate it to...as I'm sure he'd agree with me, the UK's attitude towards mainstream Islam.

While I'd fully agree that the homosexual community along with other communities have considerable cause to be concerned with the coming and on-going percentage increase in mainstream Islam and its pretty consistent attitudes. I would contrast your previous exhaustively paged concern for one sexual identity group shown in that previous thread with your lack of concern for continued existence of racial ones. Yet our admittance into these groups are principally genetically determined ones and can't be biologically altered.....So why the difference in emphasis....it should at least demonstrate some concern for both.

For me, that's 'identity politics for me, but not for thee'.

While I disagree with you and the state on what should be sexual education in schools I certainly share a genuine concern for minorities within Islam....a contrast in attitudes which makes my disproving attitude towards 'pride' type activism look like a tranny acceptance ceremony in comparison.


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