I can assure you the Home Office

I will let you know on Friday,when I fly out.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

It's a good point. With any significant political decision there are changes both good and bad, but autonomy may well result in many opportunities that we don't yet even realise. It doesn't need to be viewed as all doom and gloom. Things balance out.

Let's just hope it can hang on in there until after we have left, so we don't get the EU begging bowl being rattled under our noses to help bail it out.

By the way, has anyone seen any mention recently of all those million/billions that we still have tied up in the ECB, which they were threatening not to let us have back when we leave? Nobody seems to ever mention it these days.

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

Strange tux.
Your second last line fits very well into the thread just above this atm.

Whether or not the focus upon 'belonging' is helpful or not seems incredibly quaint to me. Like you regard it as purely an academic question instead of one that I regard as at the core of this country's future.

I would restate, your line of reasoning is just a repeating of the same policies that have managed to place us into where we are now.

Look at where we are from what we were told would happen about integration and assimilation...the higher murder and crime rates and the demographic transformation.....it's chalk and cheese from what people were told to expect. Only the misguided or even worse those blissfully ignorant think that by continuing with a failed strategy that it's eventually just going to come good.

Your continued attachment to the egalitarian principles of your two posts may be laudable if they actually worked.....Instead from what I can see they are merely wish fulfillment statements about how you'd like human nature to work.....not how human nature actually does work....All I see from them is the build up of resentment and increased tribalism as this failed message of 'accept' grows louder and more enforced.

I was raised with versions of the egalitarian arguments you made. Indeed, up until relatively recently I believed in some of it and pushed versions of it as a teacher. These arguments around equality and fairness instinctively appeal to reasonable people because it's about moving beyond identity to our inherent humanity.

If it actually worked I'd still be supporting it.....The reality is that it can only ever partially work and non homogeneous societies work far less better than their opposite.

Despite these egalitarian arguments being known for thousands of years it is only really strongly accepted in Europe among white Europeans. The Chinese even mock these attitudes with the 'Baizuo' slur and we see precious little impact of the 'your racial identity isn't important' argument in other racial groups......Whites are judged within a prism of double standards.

The Chinese, Japanese, Israelis and all the rest of them know what the eventual destination is for their nations if they embraced these ideologies.

The people you need to put these arguments to aren't the few whites who are beginning to value their identity. No, indeed, your arguments should be directed towards the groups within our country whose group preference is much higher and remains unchanged.
But therein lies another truth....that has already been done and failed. The arguments you made here has indeed been pushed with these groups for decades and it's had minimal affect.

The reasons Jordan Peterson is rightly criticized, in my view, in this area is because he fails to recognise or admit to the fact that his anti Identitarian message isn't being listened to in any significant numbers by anyone other than whites: Europeans or from the wider Anglosphere.

Hence in effect, all he achieves is to recommend that people don't get upset as their group identity slowly loses power.

Instead, rather than your general mutterings about immigration policies that are unlikely to be changed to any great degree to any great extent.....i instead take the view that the English/Scottish/Welsh and indeed Irish or whichever magnetic direction start to take their identities as having some value beyond mere descriptions of a place.

Before they no longer have that option.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jul 2019 8.25pm)

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