I think that's only true of those on the extreme wings of the political divide, which unfortunately have come to dominate both our major parties in recent years. We have already seen a movement back towards the consensus politics of the centre as the LibDems re-energise and start to collect MPs from the moderate wings of the majors.

Whether this will continue, or whether one of the majors reverts back to the centre ground again, is as yet unknown and depends on the final outcome of the chaos we are now in.

I have long dreamed of the emergence of a strong central party but my hopes have continually been dashed. The problem they always seem to have is not where their support would come from, as I truly think that the majority of the people are moderate in outlook, but who would help fund them.

It would be a brave move for some of the traditional funders of both the Tories and Labour to shift their support but I can just about manage to see it happening. Industry is pretty hacked off with the current Tory party and some of the more moderate unions not very happy with Corbyn. Let's hope.

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I voted leave to better my country long term, that's being a winner and my vote helped win the referendum so I class my self as a winner,

Your having a laugh, arnt you?
This is whilst we are in the EU.

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36K PER PERSON!!!
2k really won't make much of a difference for a better future.

You can class yourself whichever way you want. How you think is entirely up to you.

Deciding what actually happens depends on how our Parliament thinks, and not whether you think you "won".

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Confused.endless

The "basic democratic principle" in the British system is vested in Parliament and NOT in any referendum. How many times must this be pointed out before you understand it?

The 2016 referendum campaign is indeed yesterday's battle. Time has moved on and with it the situation we are in has evolved.

Those who constantly refer back to the 2016 result are wasting their time. They are fighting yesterday's battle. It's quite ironic that they label some of those who don't agree with them as "remoaners" when all the moaning is actually coming from them.

If you truly believe that leaving the EU without a deal is the best option then make the arguments about why that is the case. Moaning that the 2016 referendum result must be implemented won't win that argument.

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Sure and subsequently our Parliament has looked at a deal agreed between the EU and the government and rejected it. Not just by those who voted to remain, but also by many who voted to leave. We have gone past the campaigning stages and are now into the implementation stage and it hasn't yet been possible.

No-one won anything from the divisions and delays that the 2016 referendum has caused. Not even you. All your "winning" mentality has done is produce anger and frustration. We are still in and how, when or indeed if, we actually leave remain unanswered questions. That referendum ought never have been held. Such decisions should always be taken in Parliament and if they had decided it was best for us to withdraw from the EU they could then have entered a period of negotiation with them over how to do it, before triggering the formal application and thus avoided producing this unnecessary stress.

We don't decide the country's future like a cricket match where one more run can mean success or failure. We need to be much more thoughtful and professional than that.

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