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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 11 Nov 19 8.44pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

An isolated country like the UK, whatever will be left of it, is hardly in a position of strength in negotiations with the EU bloc or the USA.

The Canada negotiation took 7 years and was in doubt right to the last, the UK would be far more complex.

The american president has already said no to Johnsons deal.

UK is like a man on a window ledge, seemingly unable to see what is in front of its eyes.

Oh ok....So where are you moving to then?....seeing as we are on a window ledge.

Surely you won't be leaching a pension off of a country you hate.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 11 Nov 19 9.19pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

An isolated country like the UK, whatever will be left of it, is hardly in a position of strength in negotiations with the EU bloc or the USA.

The Canada negotiation took 7 years and was in doubt right to the last, the UK would be far more complex.

The american president has already said no to Johnsons deal.

UK is like a man on a window ledge, seemingly unable to see what is in front of its eyes.

I don't agree. We are already have a trade agreement with the EU as we are currently a member. The negotiation should be about the differences post Brexit e.g. we don't want freedom of movement. It will only be difficult if the EU chooses to make it so.

If Boris gets a good majority then the EU will know that if there is no deal when the extension period is up he has the power to walk away. The EU themselves are fed up with Brexit and would like to put it to bed so they can get on with welcoming the 7 new members and doing whatever it is they are planning to do in their brave new world.

If both sides show good faith it should not be difficult it is about the 10% that is different not the 90% that remains the same.

Edited by Badger11 (11 Nov 2019 9.20pm)

 


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View Bill E Pilgrim's Profile Bill E Pilgrim Flag New Addington 12 Nov 19 1.02am Send a Private Message to Bill E Pilgrim Add Bill E Pilgrim as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Oh ok....So where are you moving to then?....seeing as we are on a window ledge.

Surely you won't be leaching a pension off of a country you hate.

Receiving a pension he has paid into. Hate or love doesn't come into it.

Only you BREXIT extremist add a patriotism qualification into it.


 

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View Bill E Pilgrim's Profile Bill E Pilgrim Flag New Addington 12 Nov 19 1.03am Send a Private Message to Bill E Pilgrim Add Bill E Pilgrim as a friend

Originally posted by Bill E Pilgrim

Receiving a pension he has paid into. Hate or love doesn't come into it.

Only you BREXIT extremist add a patriotism qualification into everyday day working life.


 

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View Bill E Pilgrim's Profile Bill E Pilgrim Flag New Addington 12 Nov 19 1.16am Send a Private Message to Bill E Pilgrim Add Bill E Pilgrim as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I don't agree. We are already have a trade agreement with the EU as we are currently a member. The negotiation should be about the differences post Brexit e.g. we don't want freedom of movement. It will only be difficult if the EU chooses to make it so.

If Boris gets a good majority then the EU will know that if there is no deal when the extension period is up he has the power to walk away. The EU themselves are fed up with Brexit and would like to put it to bed so they can get on with welcoming the 7 new members and doing whatever it is they are planning to do in their brave new world.

If both sides show good faith it should not be difficult it is about the 10% that is different not the 90% that remains the same.

Edited by Badger11 (11 Nov 2019 9.20pm)

If you think the Tories will stick with a restriction on free movement when it keeps labour cheap, you do not understand the Tory party and the paper you (owned by a Billionaire)read that has convinced you to vote against your interest.

Also that trade agreement you are clinging to become null and void when are are no longer members especially if it is aggressively Boris style ended.

Then we became eg little cock Engerlaaand - with the Scots, Ireland and even Wales wanting out. Thatcher f***ed the industrial based and the bankers wont stick around so I hope there is a world market for Kent Ales and the reconditioned Escorts Mexicos from Essex.

Edited by Bill E Pilgrim (12 Nov 2019 1.17am)

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 12 Nov 19 1.18am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Bill E Pilgrim

Receiving a pension he has paid into. Hate or love doesn't come into it.

Only you BREXIT extremist add a patriotism qualification into it.

It comes into it morally, certainly from my perspective.

As for calling me an Brexit extremist.....errrr....this country wasn't in the EU before 1973 and several European countries exist outside of the EU...there's no extremism about it...Anyway you're been advocating for communism so for you to call me an extremist is quite amusing.

 

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View Bill E Pilgrim's Profile Bill E Pilgrim Flag New Addington 12 Nov 19 1.28am Send a Private Message to Bill E Pilgrim Add Bill E Pilgrim as a friend

Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE

Nice one Nigel!

A bad day for Labour, LibDems and Remainers.

A good day for the Tories, Brexiteers and democracy.

Brexit incoming soon. Real soon.

A great day. We can see the enemy.

Vote Tories and we'll be subject of the USA super state without a voice (with Nigel and Boris kissing Trumps arse or should I say ass)

or vote for a second referendum and we vote after free years of informed debate.

THE NHS IS NOT FOR SALE DANGERCLOSE!

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 12 Nov 19 6.00am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Bill E Pilgrim

Receiving a pension he has paid into. Hate or love doesn't come into it.

Only you BREXIT extremist add a patriotism qualification into it.



Only once he has paid his full qualifying years though.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Online Flag 12 Nov 19 7.03am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Bill E Pilgrim

A great day. We can see the enemy.

Vote Tories and we'll be subject of the USA super state without a voice (with Nigel and Boris kissing Trumps arse or should I say ass)

or vote for a second referendum and we vote after free years of informed debate.

THE NHS IS NOT FOR SALE DANGERCLOSE!

Project Fear is alive and well.

Knowing what we all know now the results of the December General Election will show everyone what the majority now want

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Online Flag 12 Nov 19 7.11am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

An isolated country like the UK, whatever will be left of it, is hardly in a position of strength in negotiations with the EU bloc or the USA.

The Canada negotiation took 7 years and was in doubt right to the last, the UK would be far more complex.

Canada hardly comes top of most countries' wish lists to sign trade deals with whereas the UK are greedy consumers of a whole range of goods that the main EU countries want to sell not to mention wanting us to spend our hard earned sterling on holiday there.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 12 Nov 19 8.07am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Bill E Pilgrim

If you think the Tories will stick with a restriction on free movement when it keeps labour cheap, you do not understand the Tory party and the paper you (owned by a Billionaire)read that has convinced you to vote against your interest.

Also that trade agreement you are clinging to become null and void when are are no longer members especially if it is aggressively Boris style ended.

Then we became eg little cock Engerlaaand - with the Scots, Ireland and even Wales wanting out. Thatcher f***ed the industrial based and the bankers wont stick around so I hope there is a world market for Kent Ales and the reconditioned Escorts Mexicos from Essex.

Edited by Bill E Pilgrim (12 Nov 2019 1.17am)

Of course it becomes null and void when we leave however it is a starting point for a negotiation the main criteria of which is that both sides need to show good faith.

The EU wants money, access to our market and probably freedom of movement for their people. The UK wants tariff free access to the EU and freedom to make its own deals with other nations.

There is plenty of wiggle room for both side, for instance I am not bothered about freedom of movement so if a EU workers wants to take a high paying job here without needing a visa that's fine by me. However I would denying them benefits and welfare for say 5 years. This would stop them competing for low paid jobs with our own people. That is one example and not necessarily the right answer but all things are possible if both sides show willing.

Have a little faith and if post Brexit Boris hasn't leaved up to expectations well then at the next after after this the public will vote for Corbyn's successor.

Edited by Badger11 (12 Nov 2019 8.08am)

 


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Originally posted by steeleye20

An isolated country like the UK, whatever will be left of it, is hardly in a position of strength in negotiations with the EU bloc or the USA.

The Canada negotiation took 7 years and was in doubt right to the last, the UK would be far more complex.

The american president has already said no to Johnsons deal.

UK is like a man on a window ledge, seemingly unable to see what is in front of its eyes.

But the world and his wife want to live here! Must be a very large window ledge. Presumably you will want to be at the front to throw yourself off, as you do nothing but slate this country. Of course I agree it has many faults, no more so than in Parliament but to continually "slag" it off is becoming tedious

 

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