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View Dweeb's Profile Dweeb Flag East London 21 Apr 16 9.27am Send a Private Message to Dweeb Add Dweeb as a friend

Originally posted by Pete53

Still on the topic of stadium re-development, but on a slightly different theme, I was wondering about the old issue of what capacity a re-developed stadium should be.

Should we read anything into the fact that a week before the FA Cup semi we still hadn't sold all of 32,000 allocation? Perhaps that is because a number of fans can't be bothered with the Cup, or don't like the idea of the Semi-Final being played at Wembley.

But it has got me thinking as to how likely it would be that we would fill a 35,000 seater stadium, let alone a 40,000 seater. Yes, possibly for the visits of the big names, but what about games against Stoke or Swansea ( and that's assuming we are still in the Premier).

I'd be interested to know at the moment, with our 25,000 limit, how many matches are completely sold out, and how many more tickets could have been sold if the stadium was larger.

I appreciate that their needs to be room for ambition and the possibility that on-going success might bring greater demand. But, in the short to medium term, I really cannot see how we are going to regularly fill a 35,000 to 40,000 seater ground.

Anyone like to re-assure me that we could?

Good questions. The reality of our club is that we have a core of about 12,000 - 15,000 supporters as indicated by the first half of our promotion season. The rest are plastics, once we get relegated they will be gone faster than when a cockroach sees the light. That means the present stadium's capacity is probably about right for us, but we need it in a more modern context with possible somme temporary capcity for our forays into the Premiership.

I hear that current proposals are to start with and build over the top of the existing main stand during a closed season. So logically once done those of us who reside tehre will be booted upstairs and then they will do the work on the lower level during the next one. But I have not seen any planning applications around the club so I can't see it being done this closed season.

Edited by Dweeb (21 Apr 2016 9.29am)

 


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It's been mentioned before, but another site, albeit with problems there, would be part of the Croydon Airport site, off Purley Way opposite the football pitches (with good road/bus links, but Purley and Waddon being the closest stations).

Problems? Two Councils involved - Sutton and Croydon. But if those two can build an large controversial incinerator on Council borders, then a stadium for CP would be a minor build.

 

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The residents in the area of CPP are not interested, in the slightest, in the welfare of the park. They are opposed to any development that results in thousands of people turning up on a regular basis, taking up parking spaces, leaving litter and pissing in their gardens. Looked at from their angle, they do have a point. NIMBYs they may be, but I'm not sure I'd want it in my back yard either.

The residents surrounding SP are on weaker ground as there was a football stadium there when they moved in (rather like the residents who complain about Heathrow when they knew they were moving next to an airport).

 


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View kenbarr's Profile kenbarr Flag Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 21 Apr 16 9.38am Send a Private Message to kenbarr Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add kenbarr as a friend

Originally posted by Pete53

Still on the topic of stadium re-development, but on a slightly different theme, I was wondering about the old issue of what capacity a re-developed stadium should be.

Should we read anything into the fact that a week before the FA Cup semi we still hadn't sold all of 32,000 allocation? Perhaps that is because a number of fans can't be bothered with the Cup, or don't like the idea of the Semi-Final being played at Wembley.

But it has got me thinking as to how likely it would be that we would fill a 35,000 seater stadium, let alone a 40,000 seater. Yes, possibly for the visits of the big names, but what about games against Stoke or Swansea ( and that's assuming we are still in the Premier).

I'd be interested to know at the moment, with our 25,000 limit, how many matches are completely sold out, and how many more tickets could have been sold if the stadium was larger.

I appreciate that their needs to be room for ambition and the possibility that on-going success might bring greater demand. But, in the short to medium term, I really cannot see how we are going to regularly fill a 35,000 to 40,000 seater ground.

Anyone like to re-assure me that we could?

I just checked the Palace online ticket office and the only available are in blocks 519, 520 and 521 costing stlg 32.50/22.50 with concessions. Perhaps supporters don't want to sit in nosebleed country.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 21 Apr 16 10.23am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by rikz

No I get that completely, it's called paying someone to do a job.
You don't seem to understand that we have a big supermarket on our stadium who own a great big car park. For any redevelopment to happen, we would need to work with sainsburys. Therefore they will dig their feet in untill they get the best deal possible for them, they couldn't care about the club.

No it is not. It is not like a simple case of paying a tradesman to turn up and give a quote. It takes a lot of time and SP is no doubt being very meticulous. For a number or reasons. Whenever anyone submits planning applications it's presented to those surrounding it. A neighbour puts in a new window and they have to apply for it if it's on the side of the house. So don't try and claim this or those around SP are any different.

And nah, can't say I've noticed the supermarket and car park, flats behind the WH end and row of houses built across from The Clifton Arms in the decades I've been going to Selhurst since before you were soiling your training pants in juniors. Do me a favour.

On the subject of the car park. The Sainsbury's car park starts on WH Lane and ends where the main stand ends. The CPFC car park starts there.

Parish is not being meticulous because Sainsbury's are being obstinate or will be driving hard bargains. He could be going about things carefully so that they or residents do not have the opportunity to object to the plans or one of the plans we're going to submit to the council. It is not all black and white.

Again, SP has said before about the significant costs of the professional plans and progressing the plans before even an agreement has been reached and a spade is dug. It costs several million before you get plans agreed.

I hear SP has some drawings of what he'd like to do with the main stand but isn't releasing anything until he's confident it's going to get the go ahead. Again, that project I wouldn't be surprised if it's been altered since knowing we'd have 50million plus of cash to spend on it rather than a 20 year mortgage and at a cost to our abilities in surviving Prem football or gaining promotion from Champ football.

Of course there's planning issues, there is everywhere, but what you were trying to imply was that finances were not an issue, or more specifically, what the real reason was for the delay as there was a plan, which was incidentally a 'concept' idea 6 years ago. If you don't think the delay since 6 years ago has anything to do with Parish/CPFC not having the money and needing a 20 year mortgage in a business that was losing 5mil a year in the Champ and struggling in each season after promotion for a significant time then each to their own.

With the US investment that all changes. No debt from before or with ground building, no interest from previous debt or ground building and the opportunity to maximise the corporate revenue which gives you the revenue you're allowed to increase wages. It is a completely different opportunity and that changed when the US investment was signed off, only 4 months ago.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (21 Apr 2016 11.21am)

 


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Here we go again, about the lack of support not encouraging a bigger stadium. Ok then, lets go back to the Nest, 15,000 capacity that was rarely filled. The only reason the capacity hasn't been filled recently is is many-fold. Firstly, Palace have to put aside a section for visitors and if that isn't filled the police will not allow the tickets to be put on general sale. Secondly, because there is a chance you will never get a ticket going up to Selhurst on the day means many don't take that chance. Then there's the price. We all know that one.
The simple answer is for Palace to get busy and
get a bigger stadium. Do that or go nowhere. Not interested, then give up on any ambition fort Palace becoming one of the big clubs, or even the equivalent of a WBA, Brum or even Brighton. Imagine, there are some on here who would accept that. Not me pal.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 21 Apr 16 10.35am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by adrian b


Here we go again, about the lack of support not encouraging a bigger stadium. Ok then, lets go back to the Nest, 15,000 capacity that was rarely filled. The only reason the capacity hasn't been filled recently is is many-fold. Firstly, Palace have to put aside a section for visitors and if that isn't filled the police will not allow the tickets to be put on general sale. Secondly, because there is a chance you will never get a ticket going up to Selhurst on the day means many don't take that chance. Then there's the price. We all know that one.
The simple answer is for Palace to get busy and
get a bigger stadium. Do that or go nowhere. Not interested, then give up on any ambition fort Palace becoming one of the big clubs, or even the equivalent of a WBA, Brum or even Brighton. Imagine, there are some on here who would accept that. Not me pal.

Every club builds a shiny new impressive stadium and people flock to it like moths to a light bulb. There's only 2 clubs where that's failed. Coventry and someone else right down near the bottom of the football league. Everywhere else the overhauls have held attendances higher than before. Where we're in a healthy situation is:

No debt. No repayments. No interest.

Where we will benefit is charging the suit and ties and London companies buying boxes and corporate seats inflated prices whereas we below or to the side of them get on with being real fans.

It's the sign of the times. People are materialistic. As long as people get their affordable little home comforts with mass production it stops them doing things like voting for a different party that might change futile governments.

 


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Doesn't the Premier League have a minimum stadium capacity requirement? If so, what is it? How long does a club have to increase capacity to meet that requirement?

 


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Originally posted by kenbarr

Doesn't the Premier League have a minimum stadium capacity requirement? If so, what is it? How long does a club have to increase capacity to meet that requirement?

Can't be that high or strict. Wigan?

 


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Originally posted by Penge Eagle

The plan is to build a second tier behind the current Main Stand like they are doing at Anfield right now as it won't affect the current stand. Then reconfigure the concourse of the lower tier afterwards.

I think the delay has been down to negotiations with Sainsbury's who are the freeholders of the land.

As I've just ploughed through pages of unnecessary private arguments,I don't know if you expanded on this.Are you saying that the land under the main stand,or the concourse on the car park side,are owned by Sainsburys?
just where does Sainburys ownership end?

 

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Originally posted by kenbarr

Doesn't the Premier League have a minimum stadium capacity requirement? If so, what is it? How long does a club have to increase capacity to meet that requirement?

Ken

I've not heard of an Minimum capacity regulations for the PL.Bournemouth have a capacity of just under 12,000.My understanding is that there has to be a % of stadium capacity which must be allocated to away supporters but I don't have the specific details.

 

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View kenbarr's Profile kenbarr Flag Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 21 Apr 16 11.39am Send a Private Message to kenbarr Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add kenbarr as a friend

Thanks, Willo.

 


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