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 Part Time James  17 Aug 16 2.07pm |
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Originally posted by TheFish
I have made a suggestion, but I'll reiterate. Apply pressure on your owner to make a change. This can be done with protests, chants, boycotts* or public appeals for change.
My personal opinion though is that protests, after one league game of the season (and possibly further into the season) are probably going to make things worse on the pitch. We've had a pretty decent and positive atmosphere at Selhurst for a while now and I am not entirely convinced us boycotting Palace, chanting Pardew out or painting protest signs are actually going to make things better. Innocent question, but did you feel those things at Newcastle resolved anything when that kind of thing was going on? I'm not trying to point score, you might actually say yes.
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| Part Time James 17 Aug 16 2.09pm |
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I should add, that I don't think firing Pardew is something I want right now anyway. I have some serious doubts, but I have bigger doubts about what would happen if we booted him out now. I also have some doubts as to whether, as fans, we know all the facts about the stalled transfer deals.
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| Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 17 Aug 16 2.09pm |
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Originally posted by TheFish
I'm honestly interested in hearing people's defence of the man, but I've seen none. All I've seen is 1 or 2 Newcastle fans, and a number of Palace fans criticizing Alan Pardew's ability and being met with little more than a stream of abuse. Firstly I simply don't believe you are somehow interested in our views in a mutual exchange of bonhomie. You have too much history with Pardew. You are getting the same response as we would get on your forums if we came on telling you what was wrong at your club. Thirdly there is more of a tendency to keep our criticism of club or personalities in house rather than have dozens and dozens phoning in to 606 every week like your fans. Not saying it doesn't happen just that we don't have the same culture of victimhood are you have.
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| Southampton_Eagle At the after party 17 Aug 16 2.11pm |
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Originally posted by Sedlescombe
Firstly I simply don't believe you are somehow interested in our views in a mutual exchange of bonhomie. You have too much history with Pardew. You are getting the same response as we would get on your forums if we came on telling you what was wrong at your club. Thirdly there is more of a tendency to keep our criticism of club or personalities in house rather than have dozens and dozens phoning in to 606 every week like your fans. Not saying it doesn't happen just that we don't have the same culture of victimhood are you have.
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| Part Time James 17 Aug 16 2.13pm |
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Originally posted by Sedlescombe
Firstly I simply don't believe you are somehow interested in our views in a mutual exchange of bonhomie. You have too much history with Pardew. You are getting the same response as we would get on your forums if we came on telling you what was wrong at your club. Thirdly there is more of a tendency to keep our criticism of club or personalities in house rather than have dozens and dozens phoning in to 606 every week like your fans. Not saying it doesn't happen just that we don't have the same culture of victimhood are you have.
I agree. If he had been on here looking for a sensible football chat, after the first couple of people gave him some abuse he probably would've gone "these people are morons, I won't get any decent football chit chat on here". But in actual fact, he's still here isn't he? He's just said he's not getting what he claims he came here for and yet he is still here. Delwboy, is that you? You rascal!!
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| Alexi_the_Eagle Newton-le-Willows 17 Aug 16 2.16pm |
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I find it quite sad that the online Newcastle fanzine the Mag seems to enjoy posting various opinions knocking Pardew. Even I question his dire tactics from time to time, but the Mag seems to do it in a near obsessive manner that could warrant a restraining order. We get it that Geordies don't like Pardew. But I bet that if he does get the sack (a question of when rather than if), then maybe, just maybe, they'd ditch the whole self-righteous twaddle and constant need for sniping opinions on Pardew while worrying about their own season in the Champinoship. Just my two cents.
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| TheFish 17 Aug 16 2.17pm |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
My personal opinion though is that protests, after one league game of the season (and possibly further into the season) are probably going to make things worse on the pitch. We've had a pretty decent and positive atmosphere at Selhurst for a while now and I am not entirely convinced us boycotting Palace, chanting Pardew out or painting protest signs are actually going to make things better. Innocent question, but did you feel those things at Newcastle resolved anything when that kind of thing was going on? I'm not trying to point score, you might actually say yes. I think without the protests Pardew would have stayed. I think that had Pardew stayed we would have failed to escape the inevitable pull of relegation. I think that had Pardew stayed we would still operate under the buy-to-sell manifesto which ultimately rendered my club a zombie; listlessly stumbling through the season existing for no reason more worthy than advertising the owner's shop. I wish that it hadn't needed to get that far but our owner wasn't going to push and Pardew wouldn't have jumped. We forced their hands with our action and while we didn't get what we wanted immediately (a quality replacement for Pardew), we have that now and so yes, I think that justifies our actions. re: Crystal Palace fans actions... It probably is too early for boycotts and marches, but I think a message that this isn't good enough should be made to your owner. Benitez failed to turn round the mess McClaren left despite the former being much, much better tactician than the latter.
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| Part Time James 17 Aug 16 2.22pm |
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Originally posted by TheFish
I think without the protests Pardew would have stayed. I think that had Pardew stayed we would have failed to escape the inevitable pull of relegation. I think that had Pardew stayed we would still operate under the buy-to-sell manifesto which ultimately rendered my club a zombie; listlessly stumbling through the season existing for no reason more worthy than advertising the owner's shop. I wish that it hadn't needed to get that far but our owner wasn't going to push and Pardew wouldn't have jumped. We forced their hands with our action and while we didn't get what we wanted immediately (a quality replacement for Pardew), we have that now and so yes, I think that justifies our actions. re: Crystal Palace fans actions... It probably is too early for boycotts and marches, but I think a message that this isn't good enough should be made to your owner. Benitez failed to turn round the mess McClaren left despite the former being much, much better tactician than the latter. Fair comments. As somebody posted earlier on, I do feel our owners are a bit different to Ashley and actually I don't think Pardew's form in 2016 has gone unnoticed. I wouldn't be surprised if they had already told him to buck his ideas up. One thing that may keep him in his job is IF (and I am not in the know at all here) the owners felt at all responsible for our lack of attacking signings. After all, they sign the cheques and play a part in negotiations. I think given that a lot of people who support this club have some degree of trust in our owners (some less than others I know) that actually we probably don't feel that as fans we need to do anything in particular to force out an under performing manager when the time comes. I might be alone in this opinion, but I trust the board to reach the conclusion at the right time. I think they will. I think they know now is not the right time, but pressure will be increasing I'm sure.
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| Ian Winner London 17 Aug 16 2.24pm |
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Not really interested in hearing from the Geordies about Pardew. We know our manager better than anyone. Think he'll turn it around soon. Calling for his head after one game is pathetic given the summer we've had and the injuries we struggled with last year and the lack of options up front. Give him 10 games at least! Or until Christmas, and if he hasn't shown signs of progress - then there's a transfer window available for any new replacement. Chopping and changing now would destabilise the club and make us unattractive to other managers/players. Don't think it will come to that though as I'm confident we only need a piece of magic from Zaha, or Cabaye to rediscover his form when he first moved here and we'll be a fret to most teams in the league. We can't compete with the top half sides, but maybe with a bit more backing from the board we could. We need the fans on-side again. No one has taken us closer to a trophy in my lifetime, I'm behind Alan.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Aug 16 2.24pm |
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Originally posted by TheFish
I think without the protests Pardew would have stayed. I think that had Pardew stayed we would have failed to escape the inevitable pull of relegation. I think that had Pardew stayed we would still operate under the buy-to-sell manifesto which ultimately rendered my club a zombie; listlessly stumbling through the season existing for no reason more worthy than advertising the owner's shop. I wish that it hadn't needed to get that far but our owner wasn't going to push and Pardew wouldn't have jumped. We forced their hands with our action and while we didn't get what we wanted immediately (a quality replacement for Pardew), we have that now and so yes, I think that justifies our actions. re: Crystal Palace fans actions... It probably is too early for boycotts and marches, but I think a message that this isn't good enough should be made to your owner. Benitez failed to turn round the mess McClaren left despite the former being much, much better tactician than the latter. Seems like a rational argument. However, when you delve into it, it doesn't really hold water. The Pardew out stuff seemed a bit inexplicable really - you don't seem to be able to acknowledge that you weren't doing that badly with him as your manager. you still have plenty of players left that he signed and they have done worse without him.
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| Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 17 Aug 16 2.24pm |
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Originally posted by TheFish
I think without the protests Pardew would have stayed. I think that had Pardew stayed we would have failed to escape the inevitable pull of relegation. I think that had Pardew stayed we would still operate under the buy-to-sell manifesto which ultimately rendered my club a zombie; listlessly stumbling through the season existing for no reason more worthy than advertising the owner's shop. I wish that it hadn't needed to get that far but our owner wasn't going to push and Pardew wouldn't have jumped. We forced their hands with our action and while we didn't get what we wanted immediately (a quality replacement for Pardew), we have that now and so yes, I think that justifies our actions. re: Crystal Palace fans actions... It probably is too early for boycotts and marches, but I think a message that this isn't good enough should be made to your owner. Benitez failed to turn round the mess McClaren left despite the former being much, much better tactician than the latter. OK you have provoked me into one more response. Which part of "f*** of we don't need you to tell us how to support our club" are you having difficulty with here.
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| TheFish 17 Aug 16 2.24pm |
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Originally posted by Sedlescombe
Firstly I simply don't believe you are somehow interested in our views in a mutual exchange of bonhomie. You have too much history with Pardew. I'm not controlled by my bias. I can have reasoned and reasonable discussions with Palace fans, Villa fans and yes, even mackems. Aren't you able to shelve bias for the sake of a conversation? You are getting the same response as we would get on your forums if we came on telling you what was wrong at your club.
Talkradio exists to court controversy, if there's a valid considered point to be heard, you won't get it from stations who deliberately employ people that divide their own audience. Bye See ya.
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