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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Nov 16 12.28pm
Originally posted by blackpalacefan I think those on one side who wake up in cold sweats at the fact that parliament isn't 50% female, 10% black, 1.5% used car salesman should join forces with those choking on their tea when they deem there to be one too many black faces on the nightly news, because they are essentially the same kind of person. People, more often than not come to directly reflect what they most dislike on others. The rest of us who just want the government to do their job, or who aren't matching races on tv against dulex colour charts will just get on with things as per usual . Edited by blackpalacefan (26 Nov 2016 12.20pm) You make a fair point. Interestingly, it's not seeing too many black faces that bothers me. It is the minds of people who make these things happen. I can just see them sitting behind their little desks worrying about political correctness and ratios. It is so patronising on the one hand and misguided on the other.
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Originally posted by blackpalacefan

I think those on one side who wake up in cold sweats at the fact that parliament isn't 50% female, 10% black, 1.5% used car salesman should join forces with those choking on their tea when they deem there to be one too many black faces on the nightly news, because they are essentially the same kind of person. People, more often than not come to directly reflect what they most dislike on others.

The rest of us who just want the government to do their job, or who aren't matching races on tv against dulex colour charts will just get on with things as per usual .

Edited by blackpalacefan (26 Nov 2016 12.20pm)

You make a fair point. Interestingly, it's not seeing too many black faces that bothers me. It is the minds of people who make these things happen. I can just see them sitting behind their little desks worrying about political correctness and ratios. It is so patronising on the one hand and misguided on the other.

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blackpalacefan 26 Nov 16 12.40pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You make a fair point. Interestingly, it's not seeing too many black faces that bothers me. It is the minds of people who make these things happen. I can just see them sitting behind their little desks worrying about political correctness and ratios. It is so patronising on the one hand and misguided on the other. I just fear that if seeing a couple of black newsreaders of an evening triggers such a reaction in you, then whatever truth there may be to an aspect of your thinking you more than overcompensate in an equally unfortunate direction. I can see why it happens on both sides, but it doesn't seem very helpful when anyone does it.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I just fear that if seeing a couple of black newsreaders of an evening triggers such a reaction in you, then whatever truth there may be to an aspect of your thinking you more than overcompensate in an equally unfortunate direction. I can see why it happens on both sides, but it doesn't seem very helpful when anyone does it.

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Kermit8 Hevon 26 Nov 16 12.45pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You make a fair point. Interestingly, it's not seeing too many black faces that bothers me. It is the minds of people who make these things happen. I can just see them sitting behind their little desks worrying about political correctness and ratios. It is so patronising on the one hand and misguided on the other. I think, in psychological terms, it's called transference. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You make a fair point. Interestingly, it's not seeing too many black faces that bothers me. It is the minds of people who make these things happen. I can just see them sitting behind their little desks worrying about political correctness and ratios. It is so patronising on the one hand and misguided on the other.

I think, in psychological terms, it's called transference.

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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Nov 16 1.11pm
Originally posted by blackpalacefan I just fear that if seeing a couple of black newsreaders of an evening triggers such a reaction in you, then whatever truth there may be to an aspect of your thinking you more than overcompensate in an equally unfortunate direction. I can see why it happens on both sides, but it doesn't seem very helpful when anyone does it. I think that is a little simplistic but I take your point. Preoccupation is unhealthy. It this case, it is reaction to the times, or more accurately the experiences of a lifetime in Britain. Things have changed dramatically and not always for the better for someone born in 1964. We must all accept that we all have a different perspective and sometimes the best we can do is respect each others. You have probably guessed that In my life experience, I have gained a particular dislike for the middle class liberal who wants to tell us all how to think and ruling class who think they can brainwash us all for their own benefit.
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26 Nov 16 1.11pm

Originally posted by blackpalacefan

I just fear that if seeing a couple of black newsreaders of an evening triggers such a reaction in you, then whatever truth there may be to an aspect of your thinking you more than overcompensate in an equally unfortunate direction. I can see why it happens on both sides, but it doesn't seem very helpful when anyone does it.

I think that is a little simplistic but I take your point. Preoccupation is unhealthy. It this case, it is reaction to the times, or more accurately the experiences of a lifetime in Britain. Things have changed dramatically and not always for the better for someone born in 1964.
We must all accept that we all have a different perspective and sometimes the best we can do is respect each others.
You have probably guessed that In my life experience, I have gained a particular dislike for the middle class liberal who wants to tell us all how to think and ruling class who think they can brainwash us all for their own benefit.

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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Nov 16 1.13pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 I think, in psychological terms, it's called transference. Nah, that was in Star Trek.
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26 Nov 16 1.13pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

I think, in psychological terms, it's called transference.

Nah, that was in Star Trek.

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legaleagle 26 Nov 16 1.49pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I think that is a little simplistic but I take your point. Preoccupation is unhealthy. It this case, it is reaction to the times, or more accurately the experiences of a lifetime in Britain. Things have changed dramatically and not always for the better for someone born in 1964. We must all accept that we all have a different perspective and sometimes the best we can do is respect each others. You have probably guessed that In my life experience, I have gained a particular dislike for the middle class liberal who wants to tell us all how to think and ruling class who think they can brainwash us all for their own benefit. Would that include those who could brainwash us into thinking multiculturalism and the presence of ethnic minorities in this country (though in fact black people have been here since Roman times) is not a negative thing?
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26 Nov 16 1.49pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Would that include those who could brainwash us into thinking multiculturalism and the presence of ethnic minorities in this country (though in fact black people have been here since Roman times) is not a negative thing?

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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Nov 16 2.07pm
Originally posted by legaleagle Would that include those who could brainwash us into thinking multiculturalism and the presence of ethnic minorities in this country (though in fact black people have been here since Roman times) is not a negative thing? I love it when people quote stuff like that. Like a trickle of visitors since 43AD has any relevance to the 300,000 plus immigrants coming here every year now. To answer. Allowing so many people to come here in a short time must have, and has had a serious effect on the country. Now I really can't be bothered to list the pros and cons but anyone who says there are no negatives are either deluding themselves or trying to delude others. The latter has helped create Brexit Britain. When people are told one thing and see another, they get angry. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Nov 2016 2.08pm)
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26 Nov 16 2.07pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Would that include those who could brainwash us into thinking multiculturalism and the presence of ethnic minorities in this country (though in fact black people have been here since Roman times) is not a negative thing?

I love it when people quote stuff like that. Like a trickle of visitors since 43AD has any relevance to the 300,000 plus immigrants coming here every year now.

To answer. Allowing so many people to come here in a short time must have, and has had a serious effect on the country. Now I really can't be bothered to list the pros and cons but anyone who says there are no negatives are either deluding themselves or trying to delude others. The latter has helped create Brexit Britain. When people are told one thing and see another, they get angry.

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legaleagle 26 Nov 16 2.12pm
It means nothing more or less than that we have always been an evolving multi ethnic society for centuries...benefiting rather than harming us... Re,my question,you dodged the point,no? Off for lunch now followed by Swansea match!
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26 Nov 16 2.12pm

It means nothing more or less than that we have always been an evolving multi ethnic society for centuries...benefiting rather than harming us...

Re,my question,you dodged the point,no?

Off for lunch now followed by Swansea match!

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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Nov 16 3.02pm
Originally posted by legaleagle It means nothing more or less than that we have always been an evolving multi ethnic society for centuries...benefiting rather than harming us... Re,my question,you dodged the point,no? Off for lunch now followed by Swansea match! You can use that term all you like but it won't alter facts about numbers. Multi ethnic societies do not have a good historical record. It has divided nations during war time and caused endless conflict world wide. The benefits seem to be rather unequally divided.
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26 Nov 16 3.02pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

It means nothing more or less than that we have always been an evolving multi ethnic society for centuries...benefiting rather than harming us...

Re,my question,you dodged the point,no?

Off for lunch now followed by Swansea match!

You can use that term all you like but it won't alter facts about numbers.
Multi ethnic societies do not have a good historical record. It has divided nations during war time and caused endless conflict world wide.
The benefits seem to be rather unequally divided.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 26 Nov 16 6.34pm
Originally posted by OknotOK People only know the political angle of newspapers because they are either apparently "common knowledge" or because they are able to differentiate themselves. Which they are completely able to do with the broadcast news as well. And if you don't think Sky has a right-wing bias then you're watching a completely different channel. Sky News absolutely does have a right wing bias. I'll have to watch ITV news to make my own judgement about it's political stance which seems so obvious to some. Surveys (admittedly a bit out of date but can't find any contemporary ones) suggest that the prevailing opinion is that Sky is the most biased of all organisations and towards the right ( [Link] ), and recent review of the sources used show that the BBC has been pushed towards the right in its bias ( [Link] - although you could make an argument that they have been pushed to the right from a left-leaning start point) Edited by OknotOK (25 Nov 2016 12.02pm) Irrespective of that, what's more galling for me in this important political year is that ALL the broadcasters have been shown to be pro remain and continue to promote the scare stories of leaving the EU, even now. As a snapshot, just look at the broadcasters' YouTube channels and count the stories yourself. The same goes for the negative stories on Trump but hardly a bad word on Hillary. So much for journalism (sic). You have liberal/left leaning broadcast 'journalists' following their own agendas. Edited by Penge Eagle (26 Nov 2016 6.37pm)
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Originally posted by OknotOK

People only know the political angle of newspapers because they are either apparently "common knowledge" or because they are able to differentiate themselves. Which they are completely able to do with the broadcast news as well.

And if you don't think Sky has a right-wing bias then you're watching a completely different channel. Sky News absolutely does have a right wing bias.

I'll have to watch ITV news to make my own judgement about it's political stance which seems so obvious to some.

Surveys (admittedly a bit out of date but can't find any contemporary ones) suggest that the prevailing opinion is that Sky is *the most* biased of all organisations and towards the right ( [Link] ), and recent review of the sources used show that the BBC has been pushed towards the right in its bias ( [Link] - although you could make an argument that they have been pushed to the right from a left-leaning start point)

Edited by OknotOK (25 Nov 2016 12.02pm)

Irrespective of that, what's more galling for me in this important political year is that ALL the broadcasters have been shown to be pro remain and continue to promote the scare stories of leaving the EU, even now.

As a snapshot, just look at the broadcasters' YouTube channels and count the stories yourself.

The same goes for the negative stories on Trump but hardly a bad word on Hillary. So much for journalism (sic). You have liberal/left leaning broadcast 'journalists' following their own agendas.

Edited by Penge Eagle (26 Nov 2016 6.37pm)

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blackpalacefan 27 Nov 16 1.03am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I think that is a little simplistic but I take your point. Preoccupation is unhealthy. It this case, it is reaction to the times, or more accurately the experiences of a lifetime in Britain. Things have changed dramatically and not always for the better for someone born in 1964. We must all accept that we all have a different perspective and sometimes the best we can do is respect each others. You have probably guessed that In my life experience, I have gained a particular dislike for the middle class liberal who wants to tell us all how to think and ruling class who think they can brainwash us all for their own benefit. I think like everyone with entrenched views, you have a good understanding of half of the story.
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27 Nov 16 1.03am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I think like everyone with entrenched views, you have a good understanding of half of the story.

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legaleagle 27 Nov 16 8.26am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You can use that term all you like but it won't alter facts about numbers. Multi ethnic societies do not have a good historical record. It has divided nations during war time and caused endless conflict world wide. The benefits seem to be rather unequally divided. You simply don't like a multi-ethnic society here,no? That's what I thought was the underpinning of your underlying approach.I respect your honesty.
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27 Nov 16 8.26am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You simply don't like a multi-ethnic society here,no? That's what I thought was the underpinning of your underlying approach.I respect your honesty.

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