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View Sedlescombe's Profile Sedlescombe Flag Sedlescombe 11 Jan 17 2.37pm Send a Private Message to Sedlescombe Add Sedlescombe as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

I stand corrected but I am not so ignorant to realise this is not just about safety, it is a politically motivated attack on the Government

To some extent you are right but the constant running down of public services is politically motivated as well.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 11 Jan 17 2.38pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

I stand corrected but I am not so ignorant to realise this is not just about safety, it is a politically motivated attack on the Government

Your evidence for this is?

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 11 Jan 17 4.35pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

To some extent you are right but the constant running down of public services is politically motivated as well.

You don't have to tell me. I have just retired having spent 42 years in the public Sector!

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 11 Jan 17 4.36pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Your evidence for this is?

and your evidence it isn't is/

 

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View OknotOK's Profile OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 11 Jan 17 4.48pm Send a Private Message to OknotOK Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add OknotOK as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

and your evidence it isn't is/

The fact that the union say it isn't.

You can chose to believe them or not, but there is plenty of evidence it is about safety.

And if you think average working people are going to forego days and days of much-needed pay over a prolonged period, just to make a point to the government then I think you're mad*.


*If you think they are going to forego days and days of pay to try and ensure greater pay and/or job security then maybe. But no matter what the union want to achieve, most of these people are not going to give up money that their family need to try and give the Tories a bloody nose.

Edited by OknotOK (11 Jan 2017 4.52pm)

 


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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 11 Jan 17 4.54pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by OknotOK

The fact that the union say it isn't.

You can chose to believe them or not, but there is plenty of evidence it is about safety.

And if you think average working people are going to forego days and days of much-needed pay over a prolonged period, just to make a point to the government then I think you're mad.

Oh that's it the must be true!! If you read this thread drivers are in the top 10% of earners in this country so a few days strike will not break the bank. I have been a Union member for over 40 years so please don't call me mad

 

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View Helmet46's Profile Helmet46 Flag Croydon 11 Jan 17 5.51pm Send a Private Message to Helmet46 Add Helmet46 as a friend

Originally posted by OknotOK

The fact that the union say it isn't.

You can chose to believe them or not, but there is plenty of evidence it is about safety.

And if you think average working people are going to forego days and days of much-needed pay over a prolonged period, just to make a point to the government then I think you're mad*.


*If you think they are going to forego days and days of pay to try and ensure greater pay and/or job security then maybe. But no matter what the union want to achieve, most of these people are not going to give up money that their family need to try and give the Tories a bloody nose.

Edited by OknotOK (11 Jan 2017 4.52pm)

But, as I keep saying, they're not that worried about safety on strike days - when it's really dangerous. I'm surprised they don't refuse to drive trains on those days based upon their principles.


 

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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 11 Jan 17 5.59pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by Helmet46

But, as I keep saying, they're not that worried about safety on strike days - when it's really dangerous. I'm surprised they don't refuse to drive trains on those days based upon their principles.


Exactly. If they were that bothered about safety, they'd down tools and not return until the matter was resolved.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 11 Jan 17 6.06pm

The overriding reason for the strike is that they want to protect their jobs. That's fair enough, but at least admit it. The 'safety issue' is clearly an attempt to make their cause appear more justified in the public mind. But imagine if a scheme was proposed that lost jobs but increased safety, would they support that? Would they f**k.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 11 Jan 17 6.08pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

The overriding reason for the strike is that they want to protect their jobs. That's fair enough, but at least admit it. The 'safety issue' is clearly an attempt to make their cause appear more justified in the public mind. But imagine if a scheme was proposed that lost jobs but increased safety, would they support that? Would they f**k.

Protect jobs that are not going anyway?

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 11 Jan 17 6.10pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

The overriding reason for the strike is that they want to protect their jobs. That's fair enough, but at least admit it. The 'safety issue' is clearly an attempt to make their cause appear more justified in the public mind. But imagine if a scheme was proposed that lost jobs but increased safety, would they support that? Would they f**k.

But the conductors jobs are safe until 2020, in the present climate I don't think that is that bad.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 11 Jan 17 6.12pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Exactly. If they were that bothered about safety, they'd down tools and not return until the matter was resolved.

Quite agree but then they would be losing copious amounts of money, which comes before safety (whatever our HOL colleagues claim).

 

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