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thai-eagle chiang mai 13 Dec 16 5.10am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman I dont give a sh1t about any of the above and statistically whatever whenever. That man is not, I REPEAT NOT GETTING anywhere near the best out of the players available and playing. That is what matters, not whether we accept being losers or just about equalling or improving on someone from 20-30 years ago. I, we, have licence to moan now. The man's football, approach, ideas, preparation, influence and long term handling of a squad are damn right risky and playing with our future. I care about being a soft touch right now. Not being able to hold a lead for 3 minutes. Not being able to defend a corner. Conceding from our own corners. Letting second rate players walk past us at will. Players not covering others, no communication, not enough defensive training, players wanting more defensive training week after the extra defensive training that failed at Swansea. Those are the things I care about right now, not the loser, settle what will be will be attitude of some our fans. I remember when some of us weren't happy with Freedman. 'Relegation? So be it' was the stance of the maturer and wiser amongst our fans. Soon after when DF was told to start using Zaha and bought Bolasie because it was about to probably be Zaha's last year we started brushing aside anyone who came in our way. We really do have some white flag wavers in our ranks. well I will be singing loud these next 2 games and I'd do anything to keep us up but that bloke is not a good thing to hang onto that you think. Edited by Rudi Hedman (12 Dec 2016 11.23pm) Admire the way still some fans defend Pardew. By the end of 2016 we might end up with 6(?) wins out of 40 PL games. That is 1 win in every 6,5 half game (2 wins in 13 games). And he's still here running probably one of the most talented teams ever to grace Selhurst Park in Eagles shirts. The time for leaving should have been weeks ago - after 8 or 10 in the net behind Wayne H the next 2 games the board must surely react. I still vote for Sam Allardyce...
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thai-eagle

chiang mai 13 Dec 16 5.10am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I dont give a sh1t about any of the above and statistically whatever whenever. That man is not, I REPEAT NOT GETTING anywhere near the best out of the players available and playing. That is what matters, not whether we accept being losers or just about equalling or improving on someone from 20-30 years ago.

I, we, have licence to moan now. The man's football, approach, ideas, preparation, influence and long term handling of a squad are damn right risky and playing with our future.

I care about being a soft touch right now. Not being able to hold a lead for 3 minutes. Not being able to defend a corner. Conceding from our own corners. Letting second rate players walk past us at will. Players not covering others, no communication, not enough defensive training, players wanting more defensive training week after the extra defensive training that failed at Swansea. Those are the things I care about right now, not the loser, settle what will be will be attitude of some our fans.

I remember when some of us weren't happy with Freedman. 'Relegation? So be it' was the stance of the maturer and wiser amongst our fans. Soon after when DF was told to start using Zaha and bought Bolasie because it was about to probably be Zaha's last year we started brushing aside anyone who came in our way. We really do have some white flag wavers in our ranks. well I will be singing loud these next 2 games and I'd do anything to keep us up but that bloke is not a good thing to hang onto that you think.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (12 Dec 2016 11.23pm)

Admire the way still some fans defend Pardew. By the end of 2016 we might end up with 6(?) wins out of 40 PL games. That is 1 win in every 6,5 half game (2 wins in 13 games). And he's still here running probably one of the most talented teams ever to grace Selhurst Park in Eagles shirts. The time for leaving should have been weeks ago - after 8 or 10 in the net behind Wayne H the next 2 games the board must surely react. I still vote for Sam Allardyce...

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The Dolphin Online 13 Dec 16 7.04am
Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 When we are in the bottom three, you will have license to moan. But he is statically one of the best managers that we have ever had. Steve Coppell, Alan Smith and Dave Bassett being better over a period of more than one season, in most peoples lifetime, were the only ones with a better win percentage. Sadly that is being diluted by the week - his first 11 months were great - the last 12 months have been worse than bad - bar the FA Cup - which sadly masks everything else but statistically despite the fun that we had WE LOST THAT AS WELL! Edited by The Dolphin (13 Dec 2016 7.05am)
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13 Dec 16 7.04am

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

When we are in the bottom three, you will have license to moan. But he is statically one of the best managers that we have ever had. Steve Coppell, Alan Smith and Dave Bassett being better over a period of more than one season, in most peoples lifetime, were the only ones with a better win percentage.

Sadly that is being diluted by the week - his first 11 months were great - the last 12 months have been worse than bad - bar the FA Cup - which sadly masks everything else but statistically despite the fun that we had WE LOST THAT AS WELL!

Edited by The Dolphin (13 Dec 2016 7.05am)

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The Dolphin Online 13 Dec 16 7.06am
Originally posted by thai-eagle Admire the way still some fans defend Pardew. By the end of 2016 we might end up with 6(?) wins out of 40 PL games. That is 1 win in every 6,5 half game (2 wins in 13 games). And he's still here running probably one of the most talented teams ever to grace Selhurst Park in Eagles shirts. The time for leaving should have been weeks ago - after 8 or 10 in the net behind Wayne H the next 2 games the board must surely react. I still vote for Sam Allardyce... I don't like the idea of Sam but by Xmas we will need a saviour and likely he is best equipped to do that job. The other alternative is to get relegated and rebuild which is what we will be doing if we sleepwalk onwards the way we are now.
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13 Dec 16 7.06am

Originally posted by thai-eagle

I don't like the idea of Sam but by Xmas we will need a saviour and likely he is best equipped to do that job.
The other alternative is to get relegated and rebuild which is what we will be doing if we sleepwalk onwards the way we are now.

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Bill Glazier Mitcham 13 Dec 16 8.51am
Originally posted by thai-eagle Admire the way still some fans defend Pardew. By the end of 2016 we might end up with 6(?) wins out of 40 PL games. That is 1 win in every 6,5 half game (2 wins in 13 games). And he's still here running probably one of the most talented teams ever to grace Selhurst Park in Eagles shirts. The time for leaving should have been weeks ago - after 8 or 10 in the net behind Wayne H the next 2 games the board must surely react. I still vote for Sam Allardyce... Me&Mrs Negative, Together as one. And all you come up with is Big Fat Sam. Marvellous. I'll Love it Love it if we beat Man U. Now who said that ? PS you two will still find fault.!! COYP.
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Bill Glazier

Mitcham 13 Dec 16 8.51am

Originally posted by thai-eagle

Me&Mrs Negative,
Together as one.
And all you come up with is Big Fat Sam.
Marvellous.

I'll Love it Love it if we beat Man U.
Now who said that ?

PS you two will still find fault.!!

COYP.

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The Dolphin Online 13 Dec 16 9.05am
Bill - you defend Pardew as much as I don't - debate is great and differing views make for an interesting debate. We have a difference of opinion but I hope more than anything that we win tomorrow night and again on Saturday and that Alan Pardew proves that he is a better Manager than I think he is. My probem is that I just don't see it - long term and bigger picture. also - I do not want Sam allardyce as our Manager but if we find ourselves in deeper doo doo by Xmas what choice will we have? That's all I meant.
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13 Dec 16 9.05am

Bill - you defend Pardew as much as I don't - debate is great and differing views make for an interesting debate.
We have a difference of opinion but I hope more than anything that we win tomorrow night and again on Saturday and that Alan Pardew proves that he is a better Manager than I think he is.
My probem is that I just don't see it - long term and bigger picture.
also - I do not want Sam allardyce as our Manager but if we find ourselves in deeper doo doo by Xmas what choice will we have?
That's all I meant.

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bubble wrap Carparks in South East London 13 Dec 16 9.45am
Originally posted by Inapickle ..when he loses the players he has to go, at the moment the players cannot try harder for him, Gary Monk was the best up and coming manager in the Premiership, how they gave up on him during his first dodgy spell is quite unbelievable, he has got Leeds into the play offs already, a place that seemed a million miles away when he joined them. The unity and diehard attitude the players had has slowly slipped away. Its quite clear that the players are not intune with Pardew. You say they cannot try harder i totally disagree, they have let teams walk the ball into the net.
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Carparks in South East London 13 Dec 16 9.45am

Originally posted by Inapickle

..when he loses the players he has to go, at the moment the players cannot try harder for him, Gary Monk was the best up and coming manager in the Premiership, how they gave up on him during his first dodgy spell is quite unbelievable, he has got Leeds into the play offs already, a place that seemed a million miles away when he joined them.

The unity and diehard attitude the players had has slowly slipped away. Its quite clear that the players are not intune with Pardew. You say they cannot try harder i totally disagree, they have let teams walk the ball into the net.

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Mapletree Croydon 13 Dec 16 9.46am
Originally posted by Painter We haven't achieved either since our inception, so nothing to regret. How can you forget so easily our massive Zenith Data Systems Cup win?
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Mapletree

Croydon 13 Dec 16 9.46am

Originally posted by Painter

We haven't achieved either since our inception, so nothing to regret.

How can you forget so easily our massive Zenith Data Systems Cup win?

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sxp55 South Norwood 13 Dec 16 9.54am
Do you not get bored? @sxp55555
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sxp55

South Norwood 13 Dec 16 9.54am

Do you not get bored?

@sxp55555

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Dec 16 9.55am
Originally posted by The Dolphin Bill - you defend Pardew as much as I don't - debate is great and differing views make for an interesting debate. We have a difference of opinion but I hope more than anything that we win tomorrow night and again on Saturday and that Alan Pardew proves that he is a better Manager than I think he is. My probem is that I just don't see it - long term and bigger picture. also - I do not want Sam allardyce as our Manager but if we find ourselves in deeper doo doo by Xmas what choice will we have? That's all I meant. Don't be surprised if he goes to another club before the January 'Transfer Window'.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Dec 16 9.55am

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Bill - you defend Pardew as much as I don't - debate is great and differing views make for an interesting debate.
We have a difference of opinion but I hope more than anything that we win tomorrow night and again on Saturday and that Alan Pardew proves that he is a better Manager than I think he is.
My probem is that I just don't see it - long term and bigger picture.
also - I do not want Sam allardyce as our Manager but if we find ourselves in deeper doo doo by Xmas what choice will we have?
That's all I meant.

Don't be surprised if he goes to another club before the January 'Transfer Window'.

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thai-eagle chiang mai 13 Dec 16 10.07am
Originally posted by Bill Glazier Me&Mrs Negative, Together as one. And all you come up with is Big Fat Sam. Marvellous. I'll Love it Love it if we beat Man U. Now who said that ? PS you two will still find fault.!! COYP. ALL Palace-fans would love to nick a point or three from MU, Chelsea and Arsenal! And in true Palace-style we might do it, but there's no way we longer can ignore the facts. 11 goals in own net from Burnley, Swansea & Hull - how can we march into pre-Xmas games with confidence in a manager who says smt like: "My teams don't do defensive training!" Alan P. also told us that the (American) owners know little about football. He should applaud that because if they had more knowledge he would have been out of the door several weeks ago.
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thai-eagle

chiang mai 13 Dec 16 10.07am

Originally posted by Bill Glazier

Me&Mrs Negative,
Together as one.
And all you come up with is Big Fat Sam.
Marvellous.

I'll Love it Love it if we beat Man U.
Now who said that ?

PS you two will still find fault.!!

COYP.

ALL Palace-fans would love to nick a point or three from MU, Chelsea and Arsenal! And in true Palace-style we might do it, but there's no way we longer can ignore the facts. 11 goals in own net from Burnley, Swansea & Hull - how can we march into pre-Xmas games with confidence in a manager who says smt like: "My teams don't do defensive training!" Alan P. also told us that the (American) owners know little about football. He should applaud that because if they had more knowledge he would have been out of the door several weeks ago.

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ParchmoreEagle Belair 13 Dec 16 10.15am
Here's something to think about: if Pulis replaced Pardew today, would our defence be much better next match? I think it would. The Hull game was absolute crap. How many goals had Hull scored all season before that match? How many goals had they conceded before that match? That match was bollocks. Pardew can't do it and we could well be going down if we don't buy big time in January. Look at Gayle in the championship... or Murray... Pardew got the best out of them didn't he? not. And how was Townsend last season? Pardew is a joke. He'll get the owners to buy him players to get his cover his vain arse. [Link]
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Belair 13 Dec 16 10.15am

Here's something to think about: if Pulis replaced Pardew today, would our defence be much better next match? I think it would. The Hull game was absolute crap. How many goals had Hull scored all season before that match? How many goals had they conceded before that match? That match was bollocks. Pardew can't do it and we could well be going down if we don't buy big time in January. Look at Gayle in the championship... or Murray... Pardew got the best out of them didn't he? not. And how was Townsend last season? Pardew is a joke. He'll get the owners to buy him players to get his cover his vain arse.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Dec 16 10.16am
Originally posted by thai-eagle ALL Palace-fans would love to nick a point or three from MU, Chelsea and Arsenal! And in true Palace-style we might do it, but there's no way we longer can ignore the facts. 11 goals in own net from Burnley, Swansea & Hull - how can we march into pre-Xmas games with confidence in a manager who says smt like: "My teams don't do defensive training!" Alan P. also told us that the (American) owners know little about football. He should applaud that because if they had more knowledge he would have been out of the door several weeks ago. According to Mr Parish, Pardew wasn't referring to messrs Harris and Blitzer but some of the smaller investors, in fact he said that Blitzer had lived in this country for 10 years.Parish said it was a "Non-story". Some of course will believe him whilst others will conclude that he went beyond the facts !
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Dec 16 10.16am

Originally posted by thai-eagle

ALL Palace-fans would love to nick a point or three from MU, Chelsea and Arsenal! And in true Palace-style we might do it, but there's no way we longer can ignore the facts. 11 goals in own net from Burnley, Swansea & Hull - how can we march into pre-Xmas games with confidence in a manager who says smt like: "My teams don't do defensive training!" Alan P. also told us that the (American) owners know little about football. He should applaud that because if they had more knowledge he would have been out of the door several weeks ago.

According to Mr Parish, Pardew wasn't referring to messrs Harris and Blitzer but some of the smaller investors, in fact he said that Blitzer had lived in this country for 10 years.Parish said it was a "Non-story".

Some of course will believe him whilst others will conclude that he went beyond the facts !

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