British Values?
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 Herts_CPFC  14 Feb 17 8.36am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I do believe that there is a perception of what British Values are. My point was that many, if not all of the values would resonate with people around the world. Or are you suggesting we possess particular values exclusively? I love the way you attribute a thought to me, then go on to slag my position off based on your perception of what my position may or may not be. Good work. Edited by nickgusset (13 Feb 2017 11.43pm) I just thought your post seemed very contradictory and you've confused whatever point you're trying to make. "So much for British values" implied an action that contravened these values, but you then go onto say these values don't actually exist. I'm sure everyone has got an opinion on British values but also I'm sure most would agree that faciliting uncontrolled and limitless immigration wouldnt be one of them, so again, I'm not really sure what your point is here.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 14 Feb 17 9.15am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I do believe that there is a perception of what British Values are. My point was that many, if not all of the values would resonate with people around the world. Or are you suggesting we possess particular values exclusively? I love the way you attribute a thought to me, then go on to slag my position off based on your perception of what my position may or may not be. Good work. Edited by nickgusset (13 Feb 2017 11.43pm) It is easy to predict what your position will be on most political issues.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Feb 17 10.26am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Which people are they there to represent and not rule - although of course they do rule. Their constituent, whether they voted for them or not.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Feb 17 10.27am |
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Originally posted by Painter
Precisely I am glad you agree, people are being paid to much in benefits. So there is no incentive to improve themselves and work for a living. Actually benefits aren't too high, the minimum wage is too low.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Feb 17 10.29am |
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Originally posted by Herts_CPFC
In which case why title this thread "so much for British values"? Either you believe in them or you don't. Or did you mean "so much for world values"? :-/ There are a series of competing discourses about what are and are not British values, constructed through social interactions, that are made and remade on a continual basis.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 14 Feb 17 11.06am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Their constituent, whether they voted for them or not. In that case they would have to abstain on every vote as they couldn't represent the views of all their constituents at the same time.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 14 Feb 17 11.21am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Their constituent, whether they voted for them or not. Is this Dunny-in-the-Wold?
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Feb 17 11.58am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
In that case they would have to abstain on every vote as they couldn't represent the views of all their constituents at the same time. So why do they have surgeries and constituent engagement - Obviously, they cannot represent or claim to know each and every individuals view. However they are supposed to represent constituent views and issues as well as party policy and manifesto pledges, including their own points of view and policy. In my experience, there are MPs who are good at this, and then there are career politicians who really work to the party line, and basically only represent those who agree with them.
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| Herts_CPFC 14 Feb 17 12.17pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
There are a series of competing discourses about what are and are not British values, constructed through social interactions, that are made and remade on a continual basis. Indeed. There are also very few, if any, "values" that are exclusive to Great Britain, or indeed any other nation. That does not mean there aren't a set of values that can be described as what being British stands for, although those on the left who who find anything remotely positive about our country distasteful and embarrassing, would of course disagree.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Feb 17 12.52pm |
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Originally posted by Herts_CPFC
Indeed. There are also very few, if any, "values" that are exclusive to Great Britain, or indeed any other nation. That does not mean there aren't a set of values that can be described as what being British stands for, although those on the left who who find anything remotely positive about our country distasteful and embarrassing, would of course disagree. Well yes, and no. There are ideas about what British values are, but there isn't a real consensus. For example, you probably have a very different idea of British Values than I do, but neither are actually true. They're just ideas. We establish ourselves, in line with discourses to which we subscribe, and negate others without engagement, by dismissal, such as you did in your paragraph with the idea of left wing criticism of what you may consider British values. Truth generally lies between the idealology and the critical analysis of the ideal (if it can be said to exist at all).
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 14 Feb 17 1.47pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Well yes, and no. There are ideas about what British values are, but there isn't a real consensus. For example, you probably have a very different idea of British Values than I do, but neither are actually true. They're just ideas. We establish ourselves, in line with discourses to which we subscribe, and negate others without engagement, by dismissal, such as you did in your paragraph with the idea of left wing criticism of what you may consider British values. Truth generally lies between the idealology and the critical analysis of the ideal (if it can be said to exist at all). Yeah, but generally speaking, most left-wing ideas are tosh.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Feb 17 1.56pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Yeah, but generally speaking, most left-wing ideas are tosh. Peter?
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