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jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Feb 17 5.09pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger This is a question of numbers. There will be no end to the strife in that region and in fact things will only get worse as population increases. That is an unavoidable conclusion. We will always have an ever increasing queue of refugees along side all the other migrants and they will all use resources and have loads of children. What you classify them as will have no bearing on that. Well the UK never has had a single year in which refugees accepted into the UK, has exceed the number of UK citizens leaving the UK permanently. So I don't see a problem there. In fact its only once ever exceeded 10% of the UK emigration figure. So in questions of numbers, the UK could in fact take in its usual refugee quota, and not increase its population. The migration that's damaging the country is about money, notably people being brought here to work, to keep wages down and profit up. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This is a question of numbers. There will be no end to the strife in that region and in fact things will only get worse as population increases. That is an unavoidable conclusion. We will always have an ever increasing queue of refugees along side all the other migrants and they will all use resources and have loads of children.
What you classify them as will have no bearing on that.

Well the UK never has had a single year in which refugees accepted into the UK, has exceed the number of UK citizens leaving the UK permanently. So I don't see a problem there. In fact its only once ever exceeded 10% of the UK emigration figure.

So in questions of numbers, the UK could in fact take in its usual refugee quota, and not increase its population.

The migration that's damaging the country is about money, notably people being brought here to work, to keep wages down and profit up.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Feb 17 5.28pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Well the UK never has had a single year in which refugees accepted into the UK, has exceed the number of UK citizens leaving the UK permanently. So I don't see a problem there. In fact its only once ever exceeded 10% of the UK emigration figure. So in questions of numbers, the UK could in fact take in its usual refugee quota, and not increase its population. The migration that's damaging the country is about money, notably people being brought here to work, to keep wages down and profit up. That is a bit of spin. The UK population is increasing rapidly, so any people arriving here are contributing to that. They all count in the net figure and they and their offspring will all ultimately drain resources. There is of course the separate issue with freedom of movement and it's effect on our economy but that does not alter the fact that we cannot make decisions on refugees based on emotion. One can sympathise with their plight and still make a logical decision. The fact is that there will always be a virtually endless queue of people wishing to come here for any number of apparent reasons and what we do today will have a profound effect on the future of this country. Any amount of emotive writing will not change that. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Feb 2017 5.46pm)
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

So in questions of numbers, the UK could in fact take in its usual refugee quota, and not increase its population.

The migration that's damaging the country is about money, notably people being brought here to work, to keep wages down and profit up.

That is a bit of spin.

The UK population is increasing rapidly, so any people arriving here are contributing to that. They all count in the net figure and they and their offspring will all ultimately drain resources.
There is of course the separate issue with freedom of movement and it's effect on our economy but that does not alter the fact that we cannot make decisions on refugees based on emotion.
One can sympathise with their plight and still make a logical decision.
The fact is that there will always be a virtually endless queue of people wishing to come here for any number of apparent reasons and what we do today will have a profound effect on the future of this country. Any amount of emotive writing will not change that.

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DanH Online SW2 09 Feb 17 5.50pm
Originally posted by Jamesey Eureka (or “you don’t smella so good yourself” as Chico Marx once said), there was I, in my pleasant reverie, thinking I had been involved in helping compile and write for a football supporters’ site for 16 years. Foolishly I thought the most important thing in my limited universe here was that I am being chucked out of my much-loved season ticket seat in the Arthur to make way for more disadvantaged supporters in August. Within the context of HOL, that is the most important matter for me at present so, earnest and well-intentioned though you might be, dear debaters, forgive me please for not giving a monkeys about Syrian refugee children. Worst analogy of 2017 or any other year. Congratulations.
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Originally posted by Jamesey

Eureka (or “you don’t smella so good yourself” as Chico Marx once said), there was I, in my pleasant reverie, thinking I had been involved in helping compile and write for a football supporters’ site for 16 years.

Foolishly I thought the most important thing in my limited universe here was that I am being chucked out of my much-loved season ticket seat in the Arthur to make way for more disadvantaged supporters in August.

Within the context of HOL, that is the most important matter for me at present so, earnest and well-intentioned though you might be, dear debaters, forgive me please for not giving a monkeys about Syrian refugee children.

Worst analogy of 2017 or any other year.

Congratulations.

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Jamesey Wandsworth 09 Feb 17 7.26pm
Originally posted by DanH Worst analogy of 2017 or any other year. Congratulations. Thanks so much for that...gratefully accepted. Wondered if the humourless brigade would respond. Nothing is fool-proof - fools are too ingenious
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Wandsworth 09 Feb 17 7.26pm

Originally posted by DanH

Worst analogy of 2017 or any other year.

Congratulations.

Thanks so much for that...gratefully accepted. Wondered if the humourless brigade would respond.

Nothing is fool-proof - fools are too ingenious

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Kermit8 Hevon 09 Feb 17 7.31pm
Originally posted by Jamesey Thanks so much for that...gratefully accepted. Wondered if the humourless brigade would respond. And 'yes' you did Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Originally posted by Jamesey

Thanks so much for that...gratefully accepted. Wondered if the humourless brigade would respond.

And 'yes' you did

Big chest and massive boobs

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martin2412 Living The Dream 09 Feb 17 9.03pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Well the UK never has had a single year in which refugees accepted into the UK, has exceed the number of UK citizens leaving the UK permanently. So I don't see a problem there. In fact its only once ever exceeded 10% of the UK emigration figure. So in questions of numbers, the UK could in fact take in its usual refugee quota, and not increase its population. The migration that's damaging the country is about money, notably people being brought here to work, to keep wages down and profit up. And to supplement their low wages we pay them benefits, whereas usually the Brits leaving are taking their money with them. It's a lose lose situation for the country.i I'd also query your figures as according to migration watch, the net migration figure into the U.K. For the year to June 2016 is 330,000.
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Living The Dream 09 Feb 17 9.03pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

So in questions of numbers, the UK could in fact take in its usual refugee quota, and not increase its population.

The migration that's damaging the country is about money, notably people being brought here to work, to keep wages down and profit up.

And to supplement their low wages we pay them benefits, whereas usually the Brits leaving are taking their money with them. It's a lose lose situation for the country.i

I'd also query your figures as according to migration watch, the net migration figure into the U.K. For the year to June 2016 is 330,000.

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Painter Croydon 09 Feb 17 9.55pm
Could somebody explain a simple question. As we are sending millions in aid to these countries, why are we then also taking their people in as refugees?
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Croydon 09 Feb 17 9.55pm

Could somebody explain a simple question.

As we are sending millions in aid to these countries, why are we then also taking their people in as refugees?

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SeagullHunter Reading 10 Feb 17 12.10am
Originally posted by Painter Could somebody explain a simple question. As we are sending millions in aid to these countries, why are we then also taking their people in as refugees? Do some research. We suck more money OUT of developing nations than we 'send' in 'aid'. Dont let Cabaye go
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Reading 10 Feb 17 12.10am

Originally posted by Painter

Could somebody explain a simple question.

As we are sending millions in aid to these countries, why are we then also taking their people in as refugees?

Do some research. We suck more money OUT of developing nations than we 'send' in 'aid'.

Dont let Cabaye go

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 10 Feb 17 12.19pm
Im worried about the hard working bankers in the city, if they go bust again will the refugee aid be able to be channelled into there million pound bonus at xmas? I hope so, they work very hard
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Any european country i fancy! 10 Feb 17 12.19pm

Im worried about the hard working bankers in the city, if they go bust again will the refugee aid be able to be channelled into there million pound bonus at xmas? I hope so, they work very hard

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jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Feb 17 1.23pm
Originally posted by martin2412 And to supplement their low wages we pay them benefits, whereas usually the Brits leaving are taking their money with them. It's a lose lose situation for the country.i I'd also query your figures as according to migration watch, the net migration figure into the U.K. For the year to June 2016 is 330,000. Refugees status is granted to between 18-28,000 people per year. Refugees are not migrants. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 10 Feb 17 1.23pm

Originally posted by martin2412

And to supplement their low wages we pay them benefits, whereas usually the Brits leaving are taking their money with them. It's a lose lose situation for the country.i

I'd also query your figures as according to migration watch, the net migration figure into the U.K. For the year to June 2016 is 330,000.

Refugees status is granted to between 18-28,000 people per year. Refugees are not migrants.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Feb 17 1.28pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger This is a question of numbers. There will be no end to the strife in that region and in fact things will only get worse as population increases. That is an unavoidable conclusion. We will always have an ever increasing queue of refugees along side all the other migrants and they will all use resources and have loads of children. What you classify them as will have no bearing on that. No, we have to cut migration that's used by corporations and business to keep wages low, such as by leaving the EU and ending the freedom of movement. That doesn't mean we should prevent humanitarian migration. And why are they ending up in the UK, because the neighbouring countries have a refugee crisis and unsurprisingly people don't want to live in crime ridden, camps, in which criminal gangs and terrorist groups are becoming major players. A refugee camp is no where for a family to live for years at a time. All those camps end up becoming is recruitment grounds for the next generation of extremists "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 10 Feb 17 1.28pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No, we have to cut migration that's used by corporations and business to keep wages low, such as by leaving the EU and ending the freedom of movement.

That doesn't mean we should prevent humanitarian migration.

And why are they ending up in the UK, because the neighbouring countries have a refugee crisis and unsurprisingly people don't want to live in crime ridden, camps, in which criminal gangs and terrorist groups are becoming major players. A refugee camp is no where for a family to live for years at a time.

All those camps end up becoming is recruitment grounds for the next generation of extremists

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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