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I heard an old clip on the radio this morning in which he said (I paraphrase) that he only gave up terrorism because it wasn't achieving the desired result - otherwise he would have carried on. I wish he'd stayed alive for another twenty years in terrible pain.

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 21 Mar 17 9.37am

Norman Tebbit, the former Tory Cabinet minister, said he hopes McGuinness is "parked in a particularly hot and unpleasant corner of hell for the rest of eternity".

"I'm just pleased that the world is a sweeter and cleaner place now," he said. "He was not only a multi-murderer, he was a coward."

"He knew that the IRA were defeated because British intelligence had penetrated right the way up to the Army Council and that the end was coming."

"He then sought to save his own skin and he knew that it was likely he would be charged before long with several murders which he had personally committed and he decided that the only thing to do was to opt for peace."

Tebbit's wife was paralysed when the IRA bombed a Brighton hotel during a Conservative Party conference,

Edited by hedgehog50 (21 Mar 2017 9.38am)

 


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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 21 Mar 17 9.51am Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by bexleydave


Perhaps it depends on what you're listening to? Radio 4 have just been discussing his reputation as the 'Butcher of Bogside'.

Fair enough, I was listening to 5Live


Edit: I have just been told that later on they had a relative of the Birmingham bombing victims on

Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (21 Mar 2017 9.52am)

 


the dignified don't even enter in the game

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 21 Mar 17 9.56am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

what surprised me about the bbc thins morning, is that there was no other news this morning, except for the Mcguiness death.
has nothing else of note happenned today?!

Usual form from BBC News channel and breakfast news. 1 story for 36-72 hours.

 


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View palace777's Profile palace777 Flag belfast 21 Mar 17 10.01am Send a Private Message to palace777 Add palace777 as a friend

True Republican who accepted the bullet wasn't the way forward.
Worked with all shades of green and orange to bring an acceptable agreed Peace.
Nothing in life is black and white.

RIP

 

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View OknotOK's Profile OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 21 Mar 17 10.33am Send a Private Message to OknotOK Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add OknotOK as a friend

I don't think anyone should forget (or forgive) his actions in the 60s/70s (and probably 80s no matter what he said publicly), but there does also have to be a recognition that he played a vital role in moving the dialogue forward - in moving people away from violence and guns.

 


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View collier row eagle's Profile collier row eagle Flag romford essex via another galaxy 21 Mar 17 10.39am Send a Private Message to collier row eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add collier row eagle as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

what surprised me about the bbc thins morning, is that there was no other news this morning, except for the Mcguiness death.
has nothing else of note happenned today?!

Very true, I had to take my cat to the vet today, no mention on BBC or sky news ffs

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 21 Mar 17 10.47am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Wasn't peace helped with the situation with informants? I can't remember how but isn't that what damaged the IRA's strength?

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 21 Mar 17 11.00am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Pikester

the other day I was reading something on Wikipedia and it eventually linked to Bobby Sands - the IRA Hunger Striker. When you read about his upbringing - getting bottles thrown at him walking to school and whole families attacked for being Catholics in Northern Ireland it did give me a new perspective as to why these people did hate the Protestants and the English so much.

I lived in Surrey / Sussex for the first 35 years of my life and religion was something that never really affected us which is why it was so difficult for us to understand what was going on in Northern Ireland.

I actually worked alongside someone for two years before finding out that he was Jewish as a person's religion seemed to be so irrelevant to our everyday lives.

I moved from Sussex to Newcastle in the mid eighties and quite a few people there asked me what religion I was which I found very unusual and none of them seemed happy with my answer of atheist.

25 years ago we went for a drink with one of my wife's friends and her new boyfriend who came from Belfast. We were only halfway through the first pint before he let us know his opinion of Catholics which he appeared to think were a sub species of humanity but with all the better features missing.

It's difficult to reason with people who have ingrained beliefs like that so I didn't even try but it did give me a first hand indication of why peace would be difficult to attain

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 21 Mar 17 11.06am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

I've met a few people from Belfast. One late teenager years ago joked he was only scared of people wearing balaclavas. I think there was some seriousness in there.

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 21 Mar 17 11.19am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

i got friends of all faiths and all nationalities and agree that we should all try to get along and respect each other. If ulster wishes to remain british , that is fine by me. If it chooses to peacefully join the south...fine also. Peace, love and respect are pretty important. But that is my story.

The story of my grandfather....woke up one quiet morning in a sleepy village in 1920 West Cork with the Black & Tans bursting into every cottage and kicking the sh1t out of the locals. So him and his mates picked up a gun. As an elderly man, he didnt like the provisional ira in the North and their methods.

Bloody Sunday was the turning point for the North. The subsequent cover-up kept the fires burning.

wrong has been committed on both sides. Peace is fragile but worth working for. Blood begets blood. Everybody loses out in War - even the victors. Those who forget the lessons of history are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

now living in a Catholic-Protestant hybrid family, i wish others could forget the poison from Churches and Governments and just try to get along. Religion, Empire, ethnic strife are some dangerous chemicals. to be handled with care.

RiP everybody who died in the troubles - from all sides.

Lets be optimistic for the twenty first century....going forwards in peace and rugby ;-)

Edited by PalazioVecchio (21 Mar 2017 11.21am)

 


Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 21 Mar 17 11.31am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I've met a few people from Belfast. One late teenager years ago joked he was only scared of people wearing balaclavas. I think there was some seriousness in there.

I worked with an Northern Irish guy, who never looked up when he was outside, because 'of the helicopters' taking photos.

 


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