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View Part Time James's Profile Part Time James Flag 18 Apr 17 2.51pm Send a Private Message to Part Time James Add Part Time James as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So this charade of the far left taking over the Labour party is soon to end.

If nothing else, the rabid support for this exercise in cloud cuckoo land', has shown just how little the activists on the far left actually care about the British working class.

All they have done is ensure more years of Tory rule.

I have mixed feelings....I'm a Ukipper and would actually like them to become a 'working class' party with certain right wing values....which I know is the direction Nuttall is going in.

But give me the Tories every time over the CND idealogs who want to give up our nuclear option, beg that America protects us or throw themselves to the whims of Russia and China.

Never has anyone said anything that resonated so much with my political thoughts on one of these threads.

 




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Was a member of the Conservatives before rescinding it over Cameron and Osborne's conduct in the run-up to the referendum, plus I think they've been nowhere near radical enough so far. Hammond's budget was a shambles and was basically more of the same centre-left, Gordon Brown-esque tax and spend nonsense.

However, they're also the least incompetent bunch around by far and unfortunately I'll have to vote for them. F*ckers got me again.

 


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Originally posted by We are goin up!

Was a member of the Conservatives before rescinding it over Cameron and Osborne's conduct in the run-up to the referendum, plus I think they've been nowhere near radical enough so far. Hammond's budget was a shambles and was basically more of the same centre-left, Gordon Brown-esque tax and spend nonsense.

However, they're also the least incompetent bunch around by far and unfortunately I'll have to vote for them. F*ckers got me again.

Every single western country runs a deficit and probably has done for hundreds of years.

What kind of economy do you think we need?

Personally I think it will be increasing automation not politicians that will solve this particular problem.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Apr 2017 3.08pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah, maybe any party you support are an abhorrent bunch of w*nkers.


Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Apr 2017 2.50pm)

Just my opinion. I detest the casual racism and scape goating of "immigrants" like they were some collective mass, as opposed to people, most of whom are net contributors to public finances and society. Nuttall though was one of the pilots at the Battle of Britain and scored the other goal in the 1966 world cup final I think, so he's clearly a great bloke.

I don't particularly support any one party, but I will probably vote Lib Dems this time as I would align most closely with their policies or Labour, but Labour are rudderless and in need of a radical shakeup.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Every single western country runs a deficit and probably has done for hundreds of years.

What kind of economy do you think we need?

Personally I think it will be increasing automation not politicians that will solve this particular problem.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Apr 2017 3.08pm)


Germany's most recent 3 fiscal years ran at a surplus I believe.

They also tend to run significant trade surpluses.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Apr 17 3.47pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Just my opinion. I detest the casual racism and scape goating of "immigrants" like they were some collective mass, as opposed to people, most of whom are net contributors to public finances and society. Nuttall though was one of the pilots at the Battle of Britain and scored the other goal in the 1966 world cup final I think, so he's clearly a great bloke.

I don't particularly support any one party, but I will probably vote Lib Dems this time as I would align most closely with their policies or Labour, but Labour are rudderless and in need of a radical shakeup.

No point in reading any more of your posts then.

 

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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Just my opinion. I detest the casual racism and scape goating of "immigrants" like they were some collective mass, as opposed to people, most of whom are net contributors to public finances and society. Nuttall though was one of the pilots at the Battle of Britain and scored the other goal in the 1966 world cup final I think, so he's clearly a great bloke.

I don't particularly support any one party, but I will probably vote Lib Dems this time as I would align most closely with their policies or Labour, but Labour are rudderless and in need of a radical shakeup.

Well you are obviously entitled to your opinion.

Just like I am entitled to detest people who accuse others of 'casual racism' and 'scape goating' as they ignore the damaging affects of immigration on social cohesion and infrastructure.

Essentially I blame people like you for what happened to my town. Where do you live Cambridge? Oh the cosmic irony.

Please don't invoke the 'Battle of Britain', that would have been piloted by many people that you would of accused of 'casual racism'....as that generation are often disgustingly disparaged by the oh so heavily sanctimonious and self righteous.

Oh and before you mention that many pilots in that battle were immigrants/refugees don't forget that Ukip...or in your opinion that 'bunch of w***ers' has never supported no immigration....It's about rate and numbers and the argument should never be misrepresented by those with agendas.

So useful skilled immigration is welcome when and where we need it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Apr 2017 3.51pm)

 


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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle


Germany's most recent 3 fiscal years ran at a surplus I believe.

They also tend to run significant trade surpluses.

I accept that correction.

Germany of course are that rare exception as they effectively slave own southern Europe.

It is a rare exception for any western country to run at an overall surplus....I'll go with that.

Slavery was very profitable financially when you completely take away the ethics of it.

Something remainers were content enough to remain apart of.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Apr 2017 3.56pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Every single western country runs a deficit and probably has done for hundreds of years.

What kind of economy do you think we need?

Personally I think it will be increasing automation not politicians that will solve this particular problem.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Apr 2017 3.08pm)


One where our debt-to-GDP ratio isn't over 90%. It isn't practical.

Germany's done OK because it has a devalued currency that gives it booming exports. And people moan about the pound falling...

 


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Originally posted by We are goin up!


One where our debt-to-GDP ratio isn't over 90%. It isn't practical.

Germany's done OK because it has a devalued currency that gives it booming exports. And people moan about the pound falling...

Japan and America have worse situations and...I don't know about America but Japan has a better standard of living than us.

It has had a large debt-to-GDP ratio for decades and many predictions of doom.....But this has never happened.

Investment will always go into stable skilled economies....That's where the rich want to live and it's where they know their money is safer...Automation should lessen the debt problem to some extent in the future though it has its own problems....I think there is some 'kool aid' drinking going on here when it comes to debt.

It isn't the family budget, economies work on different realities.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Apr 2017 4.08pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well you are obviously entitled to your opinion.

Just like I am entitled to detest people who accuse others of 'casual racism' and 'scape goating' as they ignore the damaging affects of immigration on social cohesion and infrastructure.

Essentially I blame people like you for what happened to my town. Where do you live Cambridge? Oh the cosmic irony.

Please don't invoke the 'Battle of Britain', that would have been piloted by many people that you would of accused of 'casual racism'....as that generation are often disgustingly disparaged by the oh so heavily sanctimonious and self righteous.

Oh and before you mention that many pilots in that battle were immigrants/refugees don't forget that Ukip...or in your opinion that 'bunch of w***ers' has never supported no immigration....It's about rate and numbers and the argument should never be misrepresented by those with agendas.

So useful skilled immigration is welcome when and where we need it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Apr 2017 3.51pm)

I now live in Lewisham. Used to live in Cambridge and did so when I joined HOL hence the name. If you're from Stirling I have no idea what it's like so can't comment. Lewisham however I like and feel has benefited from immigration and from inward immigration into London in general, like the majority of places where immigrants have settled in the UK in numbers. The places most tolerant of immigration are those most directly impacted by it. Public accounts also show that immigration has been a significant net benefit to the economy, not to mention public services. The issues of under-funding and overcrowding, and unemployment and national policy issues created and exacerbated by consecutive governments' failure to invest in education, services and infrastructure and made significantly worse by poorly handled monetary policy (QE) and fiscal policy (austerity).

My point about Nuttall was his use of casual lies in public about himself. My comment was only meant to reflect on him and his party.

They used fear and lies about immigration to win votes. See insert.

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 18 Apr 17 4.11pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I accept that correction.

Germany of course are that rare exception as they effectively slave own southern Europe.

It is a rare exception for any western country to run at an overall surplus....I'll go with that.

Slavery was very profitable financially when you completely take away the ethics of it.

Something remainers were content enough to remain apart of.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Apr 2017 3.56pm)

Only really with agricultural economies, slavery hasn't really been very effective, cost wise, when it comes to an industrialised work force. Turns out, providing housing, food and education for workers is an expensive business. Plus you've also got to be wary of revolts, which means the more you educate them, the better life you have to offer.

Even when it comes to fairly middling management work - You actually have a situation now where the state and the individual pick up the cost of educating workers for you.

Its arguable that a lot of people working in low income work would technically be better off as slave owned workers in previous times - Certainly when you look at the era of the industrial revolution.

 


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