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View Direwolf's Profile Direwolf Flag Lincoln 31 Jul 17 3.32pm Send a Private Message to Direwolf Add Direwolf as a friend

Originally posted by eddiqc

What a load of bollocks.. If I was gay, I wouldn't care if people called me queer or a bender, etc.. because being offended by those "insults" would mean that I'm ashamed of it.
Bloody leftist idiots need to grow some balls, insults are both part of life and sports.

Presumably you are not gay so how can you know whether you would care or not?

 

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View eddiqc's Profile eddiqc Flag Tunbridge wells 31 Jul 17 5.25pm Send a Private Message to eddiqc Add eddiqc as a friend

Are you saying that I don't know my own personality?

 

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View Direwolf's Profile Direwolf Flag Lincoln 31 Jul 17 5.39pm Send a Private Message to Direwolf Add Direwolf as a friend

Originally posted by eddiqc

Are you saying that I don't know my own personality?

Not at all - I'm sure you know your own personality very well. My question is how can you know that you would react in exactly the same way whether you were gay or not? Surely your current reaction is based on your current situation?

 

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View eddiqc's Profile eddiqc Flag Tunbridge wells 31 Jul 17 7.52pm Send a Private Message to eddiqc Add eddiqc as a friend

I see what you mean, but I have received the same level abuse for other things and I don't let it bother me. Water off a ducks back my friend.

Edited by eddiqc (31 Jul 2017 7.53pm)

 

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View Podyonkers's Profile Podyonkers Flag Atlanta, Georgia 31 Jul 17 7.54pm Send a Private Message to Podyonkers Add Podyonkers as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

What is 'toss'? Do you mean Yids? Never heard of 'toss'. Well, plenty of Spurs fans themselves refer to 'The Yid Army' so I don't think they are being anti-semitic.

Intent is everything. If Palace chanting was intent on targeting the gay community then 'yes' it is homophobia. But i don't think the chanting is. It's directed at Brighton fans.

I wouldn't miss it if it stopped and have never indulged myself in the chanting but I see this as too accusatory.

Just to address this particular point, I would disagree that "intent is everything."

One way to look at this is through the eyes of the gay community. Seems only fair, since the OP is asking us to do just that. It's up to us all to decide whether he has a fair point. And one way to make that determination is to ask, "What if it were me?"

So, I think it's worth extrapolating; finding a different cause, for example - one that hits closer to home. What if you lost a member of your family to suicide? What if your little sister has Downs Syndrome? What if your brother is transgender? What if your family has had to deal with the tragedy of losing a family member to Alzheimers disease recently? There are lots of what-ifs, and lots of people in this world who are marginalized or dealing with disadvantage.

Now, imagine that just after you lost your family member to suicide there was a chant aimed at, say, Leeds United because Gary Speed killed himself? The justification might be, "Well, it's not aimed at Gary Speed. It's just a wind-up. Besides, intent is everything." Imagine how you would feel as the crowd around you made a joke about something that your family just experienced. I would imagine you'd be fairly upset, and unwilling to sing along.

That's how the gay community feels when they hear homophobic chants.

 


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View Direwolf's Profile Direwolf Flag Lincoln 31 Jul 17 8.58pm Send a Private Message to Direwolf Add Direwolf as a friend

Originally posted by eddiqc

I see what you mean, but I have received the same level abuse for other things and I don't let it bother me. Water off a ducks back my friend.

Edited by eddiqc (31 Jul 2017 7.53pm)

You have an admirable level of tolerance for abuse sir. I'm not sure I would be as tolerant of abuse that was directed at some facet of myself, be it sexual orientation or some other characteristic.

 

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View adrian b's Profile adrian b Flag Landrindod, Wales 31 Jul 17 10.28pm Send a Private Message to adrian b Add adrian b as a friend


This is very much like the concern shown when black players came onto the scene. There were ranks of Liverpool fans barracking Vince Hillaire for being whatever, but their best and most loved player was John Barnes. There is a sort of humour here. There have been some suspected gays in Palace teams over the years and rumour has it one was transferred out as he caused problems in the dressing room. A good player too. But what reason do you give to the buying team as a reason to ofr-load the player? He went on to better things.
A player at Reading almost gave the game up because of the remarks concerning his ginger hair. Another good player. Quite a handy tool to have is an element that can make a player not want to perform on the other side. According to Ian Wright Jim Cannon made his life hell on the training ground with racist banter. The toughening-up process. Did John Terry really hate Fernandez? Believe that and be gullible.

 

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View Dan1994's Profile Dan1994 Flag Wallington 01 Aug 17 12.59am Send a Private Message to Dan1994 Add Dan1994 as a friend

We'll just shout "Eagles eat seagull" to the tune of the "Hes just too good for you," and then proceed to watch Wilf tear them apart again.

 


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View Nevada Eagle's Profile Nevada Eagle Flag Carson City, Nevada 01 Aug 17 5.46am Send a Private Message to Nevada Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Nevada Eagle as a friend

BHA abuse? ABUSE THEM ALL YOU CAN!

 


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View eddiqc's Profile eddiqc Flag Tunbridge wells 01 Aug 17 8.31am Send a Private Message to eddiqc Add eddiqc as a friend

Originally posted by Direwolf

You have an admirable level of tolerance for abuse sir. I'm not sure I would be as tolerant of abuse that was directed at some facet of myself, be it sexual orientation or some other characteristic.

I wouldnt call it tolerance for abuse, I just don't care what some random person thinks of me. The only people in my life that matter are my friends and family.

 

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View adrian b's Profile adrian b Flag Landrindod, Wales 01 Aug 17 10.12am Send a Private Message to adrian b Add adrian b as a friend

Originally posted by eddiqc

I wouldnt call it tolerance for abuse, I just don't care what some random person thinks of me. The only people in my life that matter are my friends and family.

Its admirable that you are able to ignore personal jibes and realise the opinions of your loved ones are far more important. But we need to draw the line somewhere on this. Imagine you are passing a person in the street who is being roundly verbally abused on a personal level by another, causing that person to wilt. Would you really just ignore it and say its nothing to do with me as i can take that kind of abuse anyway?
I'm no brave hero but I would find it hard to one intervene. So when I'm sitting next to someone at a football match who is behaving in that abusive manner at the club I love and have supported for a long time, should I not feel responsible for taking some kind of control?

 

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View eddiqc's Profile eddiqc Flag Tunbridge wells 01 Aug 17 11.14am Send a Private Message to eddiqc Add eddiqc as a friend

Well, I never said I don't care if other people are being verbally abused. I was merely saying that *I* wouldn't be affected if the abuse was directed at me.
I always protect people on the street when I see any kind of abuse being directed at them, but that's a different kettle of fish in my opinion. I honestly don't think that anyone at a football match should take the banter / jeers seriously. There is no right or wrong answer here, it's all a matter of opinion.

 

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