Yeah here's one. Those who talk about it all the time never get it!

Statement from our Proud and Palace fans today says it all.

Parrot

Could argue that you're born gay the same way you are born a paedophile and both are a sexual leaning which can't be cured. As unpalatable as that may be. Differences being that another homosexual can be a willing participant whereas a child can't but you get my argument here .

This statement is agenda-driven, aggressive, threatening and bullying activist PC propaganda BS and I for one will not bow to it. Fans say all sorts of sh1t about all sorts of diverse groups but at heart they are generally accepting and non-phobic about anyone, and you can shove your demands for conformity to your 'correct' language right up your ARSE.

I definitely agree that the two scenarios you have mentioned are very different, and that one offence is worse than the other. However, it's not quite the point I was trying to make. What I was trying to say is, that just because chanting at football games may not be directed at gay people, or that people aren't violent towards gay people, it doesn't make the chanting in itself less homophobic. I hope you can see the distinction that I'm trying to make here.

I see your point about not getting worked up about it, and that it's just two hours of people being daft and silly. Whilst I agree that the majority are probably not chanting with any particular malice, I think to reduce it to just 'two hours of sillyness' is slightly naive. What if these sort of chants make a person feel uncomfortable at a match, meaning they choose not to return in future? Or a fan struggling with his/her sexuality hears these chants, making it even harder for them to come out or feel happy and comfortable with who they are? What if a young fan picks up on this chanting/abuse and goes into school the next day and directs it at someone else, thinking that this sort of view/ behaviour is acceptable. Yes I can see that I am probably labouring the point here, but I do think that it is valid.

Yes there are worse things in the world, and in football, than a fan calling someone else a 'bender' or accusing them of taking it up the bum. But I just think as a club it's time we moved on, it's outdated, it's offensive and it's just not necessary.

I hope this doesn't come across as an attack on you Kermit, I can see where you're coming from but I hope you understand my point of view as well.

Edited by CPFCTOM2 (21 Apr 2017 2.28pm)