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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 11 Jun 17 10.28am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Woodman in goal for the under 20s. Said before we should have brought him in.

 

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View Joe Bloggs's Profile Joe Bloggs Flag Nr Norwich 11 Jun 17 11.00am Send a Private Message to Joe Bloggs Add Joe Bloggs as a friend

If you put a defender on the line you will create a situation where the opponents will put their players behind the wall because they cannot be offside in that situation.

If you are faced with a free kick taker with the ability to go over the wall, although not ideal a keeper needs to adjust his position closer to the centre of his goal line.

A keeper with greater agility than Hart such as Butland is the future, why and how we continue with Hart who has been poor for about three is beyond me.

 

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View MKCPFC's Profile MKCPFC Flag Spain/MK 11 Jun 17 11.31am Send a Private Message to MKCPFC Add MKCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Woodman in goal for the under 20s. Said before we should have brought him in.


Just beaten all ends up by a 40 yard free kick.
Saved by the post.

 

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View Stuart Shave's Profile Stuart Shave Flag Hampshire 11 Jun 17 12.36pm Send a Private Message to Stuart Shave Add Stuart Shave as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Woodman in goal for the under 20s. Said before we should have brought him in.

Agreed. Sell Hennessey and Mandanda, bring Woodman in as a number 2 (Speroni 3rd choice) and Joe Hart as number 1.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 11 Jun 17 12.39pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Goalkeepers will tell you that they need to stand in a position where they can see the ball when it is kicked so if the wall is to one side they won't necessarily be standing in the middle of the goal.If the free kick is central then different factors come into play.At the end of the day it's all about sight lines for a keeper.You also have to rely on the wall as well to do their jobs ie jumping, not splitting etc and I accept it is the responsibility of the keeper not only to decide how many should be in the wall but the positioning of the wall as well.

My argument stands, if he was in the middle of the goal he would have saved at least one of those kicks if not both. Kicking it over the wall is exactly what they are trying to do because they know keepers leave more room on that side. If anything, with the modern ball you may be better off without a wall so that you can see exactly where the player is trying to kick it. Let's put it this way, if you were given a penalty from 5 yards outside the box, how often do you think you would score and would it be more or less often than with a wall in place?

 

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chateauferret Flag 11 Jun 17 3.04pm

Originally posted by MKCPFC


Just beaten all ends up by a 40 yard free kick.
Saved by the post.

Fabulous penalty save though.

 


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View m/k mick's Profile m/k mick Flag milton keynes 11 Jun 17 3.19pm Send a Private Message to m/k mick Add m/k mick as a friend

Bear with me on this one, but why does the wall always cover the near post, the shortest distance the ball has to travel, and the goalkeeper the far post, why not have the wall covering the far post, the longest distance, the goal keeper then can be more central, or nearer to the near post, he may even have a better view

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Jun 17 3.23pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by m/k mick

Bear with me on this one, but why does the wall always cover the near post, the shortest distance the ball has to travel, and the goalkeeper the far post, why not have the wall covering the far post, the longest distance, the goal keeper then can be more central, or nearer to the near post, he may even have a better view

Someone I have just spoken to directed me to this link :

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View m/k mick's Profile m/k mick Flag milton keynes 11 Jun 17 3.39pm Send a Private Message to m/k mick Add m/k mick as a friend

The link just reiterates the way they cover the near post, my thoughts are why, it seems as though its because " we always do this way" , but is it the best way

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Jun 17 3.56pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by m/k mick

The link just reiterates the way they cover the near post, my thoughts are why, it seems as though its because " we always do this way" , but is it the best way

Well we have top qualified coaches all around the world who adopt this tactic so clearly defending the near post with the 'Wall' nearest the ball is the best way and I can understand this.I'm sure if placing the wall at the far post was more advantageous it would have been done by now !

 

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View m/k mick's Profile m/k mick Flag milton keynes 11 Jun 17 4.06pm Send a Private Message to m/k mick Add m/k mick as a friend

I grant you that willo, but we once had all the main institutions saying the world was flat, till one guy said its not, its round, i dont disagree that it may be best, but so far you seem to be saying its only best because thats how its always been

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Jun 17 4.19pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by m/k mick

I grant you that willo, but we once had all the main institutions saying the world was flat, till one guy said its not, its round, i dont disagree that it may be best, but so far you seem to be saying its only best because thats how its always been

What I am saying is that top qualified coaches around the world have decided that this is best and I totally understand their position on account of the protection given to the side of the goal nearest the ball when a 'wall' is positioned at the near post.

Edited by Willo (11 Jun 2017 4.33pm)

 

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