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PaddyMcPaddy Flag 23 Jun 17 9.37am Send a Private Message to PaddyMcPaddy Add PaddyMcPaddy as a friend

Again feel that is really harsh on Zaha, done nothing for 18 months yet in that time frame got a move to Utd. Although I think we can agree to disagree on that.

You are completely correct about the time it will take to turn the academy into a future star producing academy. Yet we have to start somewhere and have someone who understands how to set an academy on a path to success.
Also some of the players may not be ready yet but it just needs a brave (or desperate) enough manager to risk playing them. He might be brave enough.

For example - Rashford wasn't anywhere near the Utd first team, through desperation he found himself in the team and now is playing for England. Had things gone to plan he probably would now be on his way to Wigan for free. Similar with Ashley Cole.

Although to believe FdB will turn the academy around and see value in his time at Palace is very unlikely.


Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I was just using stats to make the point. For 18 months Zaha didn't really do anything. Then for 6 months in a cr@p side under Pardew after MacArthur and Yala got injured he stood out. Then for a full season he was exceptional.

If we got to the prem without him and he came through now he wouldn't play and would have to go out on loan for about 4 years. Would he have the mental strength that requires and temperament to get through that?

We aren't suddenly going to attract the best of south London's youth talent. The ones we do currently have aren't suddenly going to become better than those Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs have scooped up (I think there is an opportunity if we get them instead of them. Keiron Gibbs, Robinsonson etc).

Even the press have said the strategy might rather be buying early 20s European talent or players that haven't made it at big clubs, whether they were bought for millions or academy graduates who've played but haven't held down a place. Again this is what I was referring to in that the big clubs attract the best youth and then they fail because the development at first team stage is underrated. It does require perseverance and the pressure to finish top 4 or whatever is too risky financially.

De Boer changing our academy round in his tenure is a pipe dream and some would do well to realise it. He can set it in motion though. The best way we can turn it round is so the best around choose us over Arsenal or Chelsea. So for us to have success with that 10 year old is 10 years away + the time it takes to get the academy to the level a boy would choose us over them. Us being a stable prem club would help, Chelsea etc paying bribes doesn't.

Anyone who thinks within Frank's stay he's going to change the academy around, he can't. It'll take a long time to get prem graduates who'll make it in prem football.

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 23 Jun 17 9.40am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Goldfiinger

Got to love the positivity on HOL....

Frank de Boer and possibly Bergkamp in toe.

Is absolutely going to help ramp up our academy. It will be a vast lure to young talent to come a play for us, knowing the manager wants to teach and promote youth.

No way it's not a huge positive and a blinding appointment by Parish and co.

How how how can I still be reading negative posts.

You people must be really miserable.

I'm so excited by this impinge how the kids will feel if Bergkamp forms part of the coaching staff as well.

Huge tentacles in to the Dutch leagues, massive global appeal. This appointment has absolutely helped every aspect of our club moving forward.

Anyone who wants to bang on about nothing will be instant.. ofcourse it won't but come on Frank de Boer or Dyche.... ?

I'm dancing in my living room the more I think about ALL of the upsides.

COYP

It can be good. But don't you think it's going to take quite a while?

Currently there is no grade 1 academy. Just a pitch. To have success you need to get that 10 year old choose us. That's 10 years for him to become a pro plus the years it'll take for us to get the academy operating to a high standard. Those things might matter more than de Boer being manager who the kid may barely ever speak to, and even his dad may not have known as a player. And how long will De Boer stick around for anyway?

Yes it can be improved massively but it's a generation away from attracting the best kids who'll then become professional prem players. But we could buy them in in their later teens.

 


COYP

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alaneagle1 Flag Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 23 Jun 17 9.40am Send a Private Message to alaneagle1 Add alaneagle1 as a friend

Originally posted by YT

I remember it very clearly. I even have a recollection that the ball the Argyle nutters dribbled upfield was punctured and a bit on the small side. I guess that enabled them to smuggle it in. By co-incidence I went to two Plymouth away games in two weeks, because the week after the division 3 game at Selhurst, they played in the 1st round of the FA Cup at my then local team Dartford FC, where they nicked it 3-2 with 2 very late goals. THEN I saw them again three weeks later in Plymouth when sadly they beat us in the 2nd round of the cup. I finally got my revenge in the division 3 away game in February when Dave Swindlehurst gave us an unexpected 1-0 win. I wasn't in the away section, so (aged 15) I thought it best not to celebrate!!

Anyway...Frank de Boer - bring it on!!

YT was that Cup game the one Venables missed a last minute penalty ?

 


Palace 13th 2017/18.

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alaneagle1 Flag Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 23 Jun 17 9.43am Send a Private Message to alaneagle1 Add alaneagle1 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Plymouth finished 2nd last season - marvellous achievement particularly as many players from the previous season left and manager Derek Adams had to re-build his squad.Terrific stuff.

One of the players who remained from the previous season was Graham Carey and he was playing at a level below his qualities.Very good left-foot and scores goals.
Adams who signed him on a 'Free' from Ross Co also managed him at the Scottish club.

Edited by Willo (23 Jun 2017 9.25am)

Is this the same Derek you nominated as Manager ?
Many pages back.?

 


Palace 13th 2017/18.

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 23 Jun 17 9.50am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by PaddyMcPaddy

Again feel that is really harsh on Zaha, done nothing for 18 months yet in that time frame got a move to Utd. Although I think we can agree to disagree on that.

You are completely correct about the time it will take to turn the academy into a future star producing academy. Yet we have to start somewhere and have someone who understands how to set an academy on a path to success.
Also some of the players may not be ready yet but it just needs a brave (or desperate) enough manager to risk playing them. He might be brave enough.

For example - Rashford wasn't anywhere near the Utd first team, through desperation he found himself in the team and now is playing for England. Had things gone to plan he probably would now be on his way to Wigan for free. Similar with Ashley Cole.

Although to believe FdB will turn the academy around and see value in his time at Palace is very unlikely.


How do you manage to reply above my posts?

The didn't do much in 18 months was after a season at man Utd and Cardiff. You may have forgotten the repetitive threads about no end product, not even a cross all game and very little service to our strikers or people in the box. Funny how history is erased from memory.

We agree on it taking years and yes we do have to start. Never starting is inexcusable. But with the here and now youth, none of them have performed on loan anyway. Most players have to go out on loan, even if it's briefly. Cole (both), Kane, Alli, and all the rest. The odd one might float if you throw him in at the deep end but it's a risk not just to results but destroying player as well.

Another problem in the system is £1.9 mil per prem place. Clubs used to play youngsters from April. Not now.

 


COYP

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chateauferret Flag 23 Jun 17 9.54am

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Originally posted by Goldfiinger

Got to love the positivity on HOL....

Frank de Boer and possibly Bergkamp in toe.

The only thing in my toe is gout.

 


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Goldfiinger Flag Just down the road 23 Jun 17 9.55am Send a Private Message to Goldfiinger Add Goldfiinger as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

It can be good. But don't you think it's going to take quite a while?

Currently there is no grade 1 academy. Just a pitch. To have success you need to get that 10 year old choose us. That's 10 years for him to become a pro plus the years it'll take for us to get the academy operating to a high standard. Those things might matter more than de Boer being manager who the kid may barely ever speak to, and even his dad may not have known as a player. And how long will De Boer stick around for anyway?

Yes it can be improved massively but it's a generation away from attracting the best kids who'll then become professional prem players. But we could buy them in in their later teens.

We are a generation away from producing a Prem player... ok if you think so.

I'm gonna sit here happy with the potential appointment and how that might speed things up.

You by all means can sit there and bemoan how we are going to wait a generation to produce a player.

Enjoy your day.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Jun 17 9.56am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by chateauferret

M

The only thing in my toe is gout.

And I am in the midst of an 'Attack' at the present time although it is getting better on the back of taking a load of 'Indometacin' tablets.Affected my right ankle and it has been darned painful.

 

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Goldfiinger Flag Just down the road 23 Jun 17 10.04am Send a Private Message to Goldfiinger Add Goldfiinger as a friend

Originally posted by chateauferret

M

The only thing in my toe is gout.

HOL gives me gout!

So many people see the glass half empty.

Painful on here, painful...

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 23 Jun 17 10.07am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Goldfiinger

We are a generation away from producing a Prem player... ok if you think so.

I'm gonna sit here happy with the potential appointment and how that might speed things up.

You by all means can sit there and bemoan how we are going to wait a generation to produce a player.

Enjoy your day.

Zaha was 7 years ago. And that was in the championship. Not looking likely is it? If it was I think Parish would've hurried up with an academy and busted a gut to get Category 1 status.

 


COYP

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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 23 Jun 17 10.15am

Originally posted by Goldfiinger

HOL gives me gout!

So many people see the glass half empty.

Painful on here, painful...

Agreed. I've always maintained that it's this type of Palace fans mentality that helps hold the club back. A victim mentality.

 


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se25 rudy Flag se25 23 Jun 17 10.17am Send a Private Message to se25 rudy Add se25 rudy as a friend

Originally posted by Goldfiinger

HOL gives me gout!

So many people see the glass half empty.

Painful on here, painful...

Totally agree.......

Dowie, Taylor, Holloway, Warnock, Pulis, Pardew - not a single trophy as either player or manager between them....

De Boer - 6 league titles, 1 UEFA Cup & 1 Champions League as a player - 4 league titles as a manager.

Of course that doesn't mean it's a shoe-in that he'll be successful here but FFS have a bit of positivity about this appointment, surely it's a step in the right direction............

Edited by se25 rudy (23 Jun 2017 10.20am)

 

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