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Hrolf The Ganger 13 Jun 17 1.59pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 That would make sense if only those pesky facts didn't keep undermining your propositions on the constant basis that they do: 1961-1971 Birth rate 962,000 Death Rate 538,000 year average 1971-1981 - 736,000 and 666,000 1981 -1991 757,000 and 655,000 You clearly don't understand population. If you look at the world population now you would think that it will rise endlessly, but a fall in world birthrates now will see a leveling out and eventual decline in a few hundred years. It is about the makeup of population and those who are at a furtile age. If the population has more old people than young then you will have less children being born and that will eventually lead to a decline.
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Originally posted by Kermit8

That would make sense if only those pesky facts didn't keep undermining your propositions on the constant basis that they do:

1961-1971 Birth rate 962,000 Death Rate 538,000 year average

1971-1981 - 736,000 and 666,000

1981 -1991 757,000 and 655,000

You clearly don't understand population.
If you look at the world population now you would think that it will rise endlessly, but a fall in world birthrates now will see a leveling out and eventual decline in a few hundred years. It is about the makeup of population and those who are at a furtile age. If the population has more old people than young then you will have less children being born and that will eventually lead to a decline.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 13 Jun 17 2.03pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The problem should have been headed off long ago. In the 60's the pill and scare stories about over population effectively reduced our birthrate at a time when we should have been encouraging big families. Historically, family size was vastly bigger in the 19th century despite a high mortality rate and tapered off throughout the 20th. The warning signs were there for years. The quick fix was immigration but now we have enough people to sustain the population. Immigration has to be curtailed now or we face problem that will make the old age issue look like a picnic. Better management and accountability of services has to occur and a realism about what the state can do while keeping taxation below a damaging level. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Jun 2017 1.53pm) So you would have: * in the 40s stopped the Windrush, * in the 50s stopped immigration from the Empire to the UK, * made the pill illegal for women in the 60s. Now with the issues we have you now? For example, take a person's assets to keep taxation low? "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 13 Jun 17 2.03pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The problem should have been headed off long ago. In the 60's the pill and scare stories about over population effectively reduced our birthrate at a time when we should have been encouraging big families.
Historically, family size was vastly bigger in the 19th century despite a high mortality rate and tapered off throughout the 20th. The warning signs were there for years.
The quick fix was immigration but now we have enough people to sustain the population. Immigration has to be curtailed now or we face problem that will make the old age issue look like a picnic.
Better management and accountability of services has to occur and a realism about what the state can do while keeping taxation below a damaging level.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Jun 2017 1.53pm)

So you would have:
* in the 40s stopped the Windrush,
* in the 50s stopped immigration from the Empire to the UK,
* made the pill illegal for women in the 60s.

Now with the issues we have you now? For example, take a person's assets to keep taxation low?

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Kermit8 Hevon 13 Jun 17 2.04pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You clearly don't understand population. If you look at the world population now you would think that it will rise endlessly, but a fall in world birthrates now will see a leveling out and eventual decline in a few hundred years. It is about the makeup of population and those who are at a furtile age. If the population has more old people than young then you will have less children being born and that will eventually lead to a decline. Well that means we need more young immigrants to balance out how many oldies we have got now, doesn't it, so we can achieve stability? The economy will run a lot sounder too with tax receipts up to help pay for the pensions and NHS, etc. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 13 Jun 17 2.04pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well that means we need more young immigrants to balance out how many oldies we have got now, doesn't it, so we can achieve stability? The economy will run a lot sounder too with tax receipts up to help pay for the pensions and NHS, etc.

Big chest and massive boobs

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 13 Jun 17 2.12pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Well that means we need more young immigrants to balance out how many oldies we have got now, doesn't it, so we can achieve stability? The economy will run a lot sounder too with tax receipts up to help pay for the pensions and NHS, etc. I think he is talking about "limits to Growth" to stop something similar to a Malthusian catastrophe. I believe some right wingers believe in the forced injection of chlamydia, or gonorrhoea to enforce sterilisation in certain sections of to quote "those being born of foreign origin". Edited by pefwin (13 Jun 2017 2.13pm) "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 13 Jun 17 2.12pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

I think he is talking about "limits to Growth" to stop something similar to a Malthusian catastrophe. I believe some right wingers believe in the forced injection of chlamydia, or gonorrhoea to enforce sterilisation in certain sections of to quote "those being born of foreign origin".

Edited by pefwin (13 Jun 2017 2.13pm)

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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gambler Kent 13 Jun 17 2.14pm
What kind of cheese was that?
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Kent 13 Jun 17 2.14pm

What kind of cheese was that?

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Hrolf The Ganger 13 Jun 17 2.26pm
Originally posted by pefwin If they black send 'em back? I'm highlighting the fact that many children born are a direct result of immigration and that is significant because the birthrate would not have sustained the population previously.
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Hrolf The Ganger

13 Jun 17 2.26pm

Originally posted by pefwin

If they black send 'em back?

I'm highlighting the fact that many children born are a direct result of immigration and that is significant because the birthrate would not have sustained the population previously.

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Hrolf The Ganger 13 Jun 17 2.28pm
Originally posted by pefwin I think he is talking about "limits to Growth" to stop something similar to a Malthusian catastrophe. I believe some right wingers believe in the forced injection of chlamydia, or gonorrhoea to enforce sterilisation in certain sections of to quote "those being born of foreign origin". Edited by pefwin (13 Jun 2017 2.13pm) I think you have been reading too many Dan Brown Novels.
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Hrolf The Ganger

13 Jun 17 2.28pm

Originally posted by pefwin

I think he is talking about "limits to Growth" to stop something similar to a Malthusian catastrophe. I believe some right wingers believe in the forced injection of chlamydia, or gonorrhoea to enforce sterilisation in certain sections of to quote "those being born of foreign origin".

Edited by pefwin (13 Jun 2017 2.13pm)

I think you have been reading too many Dan Brown Novels.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 13 Jun 17 2.28pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I'm highlighting the fact that many children born are a direct result of immigration and that is significant because the birthrate would not have sustained the population previously. so what are you going to do with these children now they are here to solve the problem? "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 13 Jun 17 2.28pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm highlighting the fact that many children born are a direct result of immigration and that is significant because the birthrate would not have sustained the population previously.

so what are you going to do with these children now they are here to solve the problem?

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Hrolf The Ganger 13 Jun 17 2.31pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Well that means we need more young immigrants to balance out how many oldies we have got now, doesn't it, so we can achieve stability? The economy will run a lot sounder too with tax receipts up to help pay for the pensions and NHS, etc. The trick is to curtail immigration to the right level. World population trends mean that many more people will be coming here and that has to be limited to a manageable level. There cannot be an endless open door policy just to facilitate the profits of big business.
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13 Jun 17 2.31pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

The trick is to curtail immigration to the right level.
World population trends mean that many more people will be coming here and that has to be limited to a manageable level.
There cannot be an endless open door policy just to facilitate the profits of big business.

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Hrolf The Ganger 13 Jun 17 2.35pm
Originally posted by pefwin so what are you going to do with these children now they are here to solve the problem? What problem? In terms of population size, the problem will begin if we don't put adequate limits on immigration. There is no argument that can justify a continuous influx of 300k people per year net.
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13 Jun 17 2.35pm

Originally posted by pefwin

so what are you going to do with these children now they are here to solve the problem?

What problem?

In terms of population size, the problem will begin if we don't put adequate limits on immigration. There is no argument that can justify a continuous influx of 300k people per year net.

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Kermit8 Hevon 13 Jun 17 2.35pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I'm highlighting the fact that many children born are a direct result of immigration and that is significant because the birthrate would not have sustained the population previously. Yet the official figures every decade since WW2 say the opposite. Our population numbers have been on an upward curve since then immigration or no immigration. And the birth rate in 2015 was nearly 25% less than it was in the sixties. You have your views which have not been formed by factual stuff but more a feeling it appears. Edited by Kermit8 (13 Jun 2017 2.37pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 13 Jun 17 2.35pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm highlighting the fact that many children born are a direct result of immigration and that is significant because the birthrate would not have sustained the population previously.

Yet the official figures every decade since WW2 say the opposite. Our population numbers have been on an upward curve since then immigration or no immigration.

And the birth rate in 2015 was nearly 25% less than it was in the sixties.

You have your views which have not been formed by factual stuff but more a feeling it appears.

Edited by Kermit8 (13 Jun 2017 2.37pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 13 Jun 17 2.38pm
Originally posted by pefwin So you would have: * in the 40s stopped the Windrush, * in the 50s stopped immigration from the Empire to the UK, * made the pill illegal for women in the 60s. Now with the issues we have you now? For example, take a person's assets to keep taxation low? You have a financial argument and a social one. I ain't doing the latter on this thread.
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13 Jun 17 2.38pm

Originally posted by pefwin

So you would have:
* in the 40s stopped the Windrush,
* in the 50s stopped immigration from the Empire to the UK,
* made the pill illegal for women in the 60s.

Now with the issues we have you now? For example, take a person's assets to keep taxation low?

You have a financial argument and a social one.

I ain't doing the latter on this thread.

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