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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 12 Jul 17 5.43pm

Originally posted by phillanth

This article suggests that a new racist street movement led by the far right is developing involving football firms. What do Palace fans think we should do to stop it?

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Don't join, and don't make excuses for people who are in gang violence.

Lets stop calling them Football Firms, and call them what they are 'Muggy Little C**ts' to borrow from a movie.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 12 Jul 17 5.58pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well....I'd agree that most people who get called 'Islamophobic' dislike rather than fear the religion. Also, I think it's totally sensible to dislike its socially conservative form (which is a large chunk) and absolutely loathe its extremist ones.

Still, technically the word 'Phobia' is Latin and has been around far longer than the Oxford dictionary. It means an 'extreme fear or dislike' of something.

It's not inaccurate to say, 'I have a phobia against spiders' for example. Sure you really dislike them but it can also mean you fear them.

But I take your point about the word being a poor one for many of its uses.


Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jul 2017 4.11pm)

Phobias aren't fears, they're irrational fears. People have an irrational fear of Muslims. Its rational to be afraid of spiders and snakes.

Someone who has a phobia however reacts disproportionally to the threat posed. My cousins used to block up all the plugs and sinks before they could sleep because of a phobia of spiders (and that's a mild fear).

Someone who is phobic doesn't need to see their trigger - its ever present. The trigger just causes the very hysterical reactions - But someone with a phobia will slowly end up defining their lives by their fears.

Phobias are irrational, disproportionally and distorting fears.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Phobias aren't fears, they're irrational fears. People have an irrational fear of Muslims. Its rational to be afraid of spiders and snakes.

Someone who has a phobia however reacts disproportionally to the threat posed. My cousins used to block up all the plugs and sinks before they could sleep because of a phobia of spiders (and that's a mild fear).

Someone who is phobic doesn't need to see their trigger - its ever present. The trigger just causes the very hysterical reactions - But someone with a phobia will slowly end up defining their lives by their fears.

Phobias are irrational, disproportionally and distorting fears.

I think this isn't quite correct, phobias don't have to be irrational, they can be both rational or irrational.

It might be irrational, in most cases, to be fearful of a Muslim, but it's definitely not irrational to be wary of Islam. As I said, phobia is a poor word in most instances anyway.

Just looking across the world at pretty much every single Islamic majority country in the world proves that not to be wary is complacency.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jul 2017 6.38pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think this isn't quite correct, phobias don't have to be irrational, they can be both rational or irrational.

It might be irrational, in most cases, to be fearful of a Muslim, but it's definitely not irrational to be wary of Islam. As I said, phobia is a poor word in most instances anyway.

Just looking across the world at pretty much every single Islamic majority country in the world proves that not to be wary is complacency.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jul 2017 6.38pm)

I think you're actually agreeing with Jamie?. 'Islamophobia' is the irrational, hysterical fear. The sort of person who believes in 'no go zones' in London for example.

The rational fear/wariness you're talking about, for example having an opinion on Saudi funding of extremism is not islamophobia, it's an informed reaction to global politics. It's the same as being slightly wary/mistrusting of the Catholic church as an organisation because of the various child abuse scandals? It doesn't mean you immediately distrust and fear every single Catholic you meet.

Using the spiders example again, arachnophobia is the fear of what might happen with spiders, but if you woke up covered in tarantulas and freaked out, I wouldn't say you were necessarily arachnophobic, because in that instance that's a pretty normal reaction...

 


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phillanth Flag London 27 Jul 17 2.06pm

More on the "United Against Extremism" event:

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