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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Nope. I cannot be bothered as it would take time I haven't got. As the details are all available why on earth should I do something that you can do, if you are really genuinely interested to find out?

If you truly believe that what I said isn't true then you can try to disprove it by producing your own evidence. Don't though just quote Trump's own claims, or anything from the comic books masquerading as news outlets, like Fox, Breitbart et al. They are no more than propaganda worthy of Goebbels.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (10 Feb 2019 4.04pm)

You haven't got time, but you keep replying back!

 

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Originally posted by Penge Eagle

You haven't got time, but you keep replying back!

Typing a few words takes only a moment. In any case there is a principal here. I am not your research assistant. I have stated things confirmation for which can easily be found if you really want to find them.

If you want to try to prove that the US recovery did not start in the Obama era or that all the other Trump claims are true then carry on.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Typing a few words takes only a moment. In any case there is a principal here. I am not your research assistant. I have stated things confirmation for which can easily be found if you really want to find them.

If you want to try to prove that the US recovery did not start in the Obama era or that all the other Trump claims are true then carry on.

It also take a few moments to post up a bit of evidence to back up your claims against the points I made. They all exist on this thread. But you can't.

The time taken in the last three posts could have equalled a post full of factually sourced information which I could then discuss with you. But you still can't.

You know that any argument you have will be ripped to shreds with facts. You're just an empty vessel.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 10 Feb 19 6.35pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

It also take a few moments to post up a bit of evidence to back up your claims against the points I made. They all exist on this thread. But you can't.

The time taken in the last three posts could have equalled a post full of factually sourced information which I could then discuss with you. But you still can't.

You know that any argument you have will be ripped to shreds with facts. You're just an empty vessel.

This thread should be 'bias for Trump', not against.

Trump was simply not in office from 2009 until 2017, Obama was, so he can not be credited in any way with the USA's post-crash recovery.


 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

This thread should be 'bias for Trump', not against.

Trump was simply not in office from 2009 until 2017, Obama was, so he can not be credited in any way with the USA's post-crash recovery.

I think the difference between Obama and Trump can be seen in growth rate.

Obama did little other than allow the FED to decide what to do......He just bent the knee to his financial bosses......How many bankers went to jail exactly....though it's hidden that a lot of those bad loans were regulated for back in Clinton's era....they don't tell you that.

I'm not saying that Trump would have been any better in that aspect but if we are going to support Obama rather than Trump.....I'm not exactly seeing it.....Obama could tell a joke and look presidential.....if that rings your bell then I get it.

But economically Trump has shown Obama up as being the community organiser and waffle merchant he was......What did Obama actually positively achieve in office other than creating a more polarised country.....he even managed to make their healthcare worse for the average American.


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View ChrisGC's Profile ChrisGC Flag Wantage 10 Feb 19 7.03pm Send a Private Message to ChrisGC Add ChrisGC as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Translation: "I am unable to debate you, so I'm going to smear you as stupid and walk away".

Usually a remainer tactic:

"You were lied to!" (I think you're stupid)
"You're a racist!" (I've lost the arguement)
"Do your own research" (I've got f*** all to back up my guess work)

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think the difference between Obama and Trump can be seen in growth rate.

Obama did little other than allow the FED to decide what to do......He just bent the knee to his financial bosses......How many bankers went to jail exactly....though it's hidden that a lot of those bad loans were regulated for back in Clinton's era....they don't tell you that.

I'm not saying that Trump would have been any better in that aspect but if we are going to support Obama rather than Trump.....I'm not exactly seeing it.....Obama could tell a joke and look presidential.....if that rings your bell then I get it.

But economically Trump has shown Obama up as being the community organiser and waffle merchant he was......What did Obama actually positively achieve in office other than creating a more polarised country.....he even managed to make their healthcare worse for the average American.


Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Feb 2019 7.09pm)

Obama succeeded, Trump was not there and we can only speculate.

It is simply the facts, not 'whataboutery'

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Obama succeeded, Trump was not there and we can only speculate.

It is simply the facts, not 'whataboutery'


Mmmm....Obama walked into a crises that's for sure....but he did nothing special, the FED used invented money and the 'never never' from the taxpayer...and even then his growth rates were sluggish.

Whereas Trump....that alpha you hate so much created far more jobs for poor people than Obama could......Yet the Democrats sell these people lies about what's best for them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Feb 2019 7.18pm)

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Cebu, Philippines & Wisbech, Cambr... 10 Feb 19 7.21pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

It also take a few moments to post up a bit of evidence to back up your claims against the points I made. They all exist on this thread. But you can't.

The time taken in the last three posts could have equalled a post full of factually sourced information which I could then discuss with you. But you still can't.

You know that any argument you have will be ripped to shreds with facts. You're just an empty vessel.

I cannot be bothered to read back through the "points" you have made. It was you who responded to my statement about Trump, so it is for you to provide the evidence to support your dismissal of that statement rather than just using insult as a tactic. Good luck with that.

It is beyond dispute that the recovery curve now being seen follows a trend started in the last years of the Obama administration. I trust that you aren't seeking to dispute that.

As you seem determined to not believe me on what most economists believe about trickle down economics, although it continuing to be politically attractive to those on the right, perhaps you might read this link, which you could have quickly found if you really wanted to. It uses publicly available statistics as it's source:-

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My remarks about Trump are all based on my personal observations and through reading his tweets. I follow him and read both him and many of the responses, some from supporters, some not. Try it. You would learn a lot. No need to read or listen to any other kind of media.

 

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Originally posted by ChuFukka

Neo Nazis, famous for their hatred of white people.

Anti-white racists (lol) have caused approximately no deaths in the United States LTM. That isnít true of far-right extremists. Letís deal with the actual threat first, shall we, rather than some people on Twitter?

I dont beleive neeson killed a black guy either but he is labelled as head kkk leader in some eyes.
Glass houses springs to mind.!

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As you seem determined to not believe me on what most economists believe about trickle down economics, although it continuing to be politically attractive to those on the right, perhaps you might read this link, which you could have quickly found if you really wanted to. It uses publicly available statistics as it's source:-


I remember the predictions about what effect Trump would have on the economy by the Democrats......All of them were wrong....go figure.

Now he's got it booming.....And now what do we hear....Well, it was going to happen anyway with Obama.

Na...it wasn't, it would have continued at the lower rates.

As for the moans about tickle down.....Well I have some time for that....but I'm not sure what else any capitalist government can do.....A capitalist government's job is to create the right business environment for investment and the best education system to take advantage of better jobs....(though the education system takes much longer than anyone president).

A government that interferes with the business environment and places too many restrictions onto it....kills investment.


Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Feb 2019 9.27pm)

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I remember the predictions about what effect Trump would have on the economy by the Democrats......All of them were wrong....go figure.

Now he's got it booming.....And now what do we hear....Well, it was going to happen anyway with Obama.

Na...it wasn't, it would have continued at the lower rates.

As for the moans about tickle down.....Well I have some time for that....but I'm not sure what else any capitalist government can do.....A capitalist government's job is to create the right business environment for investment and the best education system to take advantage of better jobs....(though the education system takes much longer than anyone president).

A government that interferes with the business environment and places too many restrictions onto it....kills investment.


Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Feb 2019 9.27pm)

No he hasn't! Economies take years to respond and therefore a judgement cannot be made until a lot of time has passed. The Dems predictions were never going to be seen immediately but there are many straws in the wind which support them now.

I welcome your agreement about trickle down economics and I agree about the need to stimulate capitalism. The question is about how you do that and to my mind starting trade wars and breaking international agreements doesn't help.

 

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