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Originally posted by Mapletree

Good point

So should I withdraw my request to Leeds General Infirmary to remove the statue of Jimmy Savile holding a little girl's hand then?

There are people alive today who are directly affected so yes, get rid of it.

Slavery shapped our country and was once accepted and we learn from our past and history tells us that. Just like hanging, shall we get rid of all evidence of Victorian torture , I'm sure we all have relatives who were tortured.
Peodophiles have never been accepted. But withdraw your request, it wouldn't surprise me.

 

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Originally posted by Mapletree

Good point

So should I withdraw my request to Leeds General Infirmary to remove the statue of Jimmy Savile holding a little girl's hand then?

Saddam Hussein’s statue should go back up as it was legal, and he made his actions legal, just as Coulsdon did as sam MP.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (08 Jun 2020 12.11pm)

 


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Originally posted by Mapletree

Oh, I had in mind a likely proclivity for S&M given how you post. Homosexuality eh, I wonder why that was on your mind.

Lying comes far too easily for you.


 


'I can't stand innuendo. If I see one in a script I whip it out immediately.' (Kenneth Williams)

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Now you have completely ignored my points and instead only want to focus upon what you think you can blame Europeans for. Ok, unlike you with me, I'll address this.

Colonialism was the way of the world back then. Africa itself was a constant battlefield of states wiping out other states....All of its time.

Europeans built infrastructures and legal structures that Africa still depend upon to this day....They tried to westernise the Africa it controlled.

In some ways it was a negative and in others a positive. I can accept the sensible in both senses.

However, when it's used to justify shakedowns I'll criticise it for the holes the argument has.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jun 2020 12.09pm)

Your complete ignorance of African history and your complete arrogance of what European colonialism did in Africa I find absolutely astounding but not surprising so I think I will leave it there as you are so entrenched in your beliefs.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 08 Jun 20 12.17pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Lying comes far too easily for you.


Don't accuse me of lying.

I left open why you might be on your knees, I also had in mind you might pray to some deity or other. It's your own fault if you leap to conclusions.

Returning to the point, you previously have claimed Africa is relatively poor as on average you claim its people are of low IQ. Yet it doesn't occur to you that losing a huge proportion of its workforce for 400 years could have had an impact. And a double impact. The overseas powers that took the slaves financially benefited massively, so relatively speaking one goes up whilst the other down.

Edited by Mapletree (08 Jun 2020 12.18pm)

 

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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Saddam Hussein’s statue should go back up as it was legal, and he made his actions legal, just as Coulsdon did as sam MP.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (08 Jun 2020 12.11pm)

Where is that old Stalin statue? Must retrieve is from round the back of the cycle sheds.

 

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Originally posted by Mapletree

Don't accuse me of lying.

I left open why you might be on your knees, I also had in mind you might pray to some deity or other. It's your own fault if you leap to conclusions.

I believe that's you pushing plausible deniability in my view.

I regard my interpretation to be accurate, others may read it and draw their own conclusions.

Originally posted by Mapletree

Returning to the point, you previously have claimed Africa is relatively poor as on average you claim its people are of low IQ. Yet it doesn't occur to you that losing a huge proportion of its workforce for 400 years could have had an impact. And a double impact. The overseas powers that took the slaves financially benefited massively, so relatively speaking one goes up whilst the other down.

Edited by Mapletree (08 Jun 2020 12.18pm)

No, it's inaccurate to say I think Africa is poor just because of a lower IQ. There are other more important factors than that.

The wheel, for example, would have been invented many times. There are other factors that explain why it wasn't in use.

Africa was poor and technologically primative before the Europeans turned up and when they turned up.....They turned up vastly more technologically advanced. Your arguments are again, focused upon Europeans, when the reality is that all nations and continents have suffered invasions and slavery.

Slavery was a moral crime, however the extent upon its affect for Africa's problems is nothing but a convenient lie......Africa still has it, that's how bothered it is.

Like the death of George Floyd.....Black lives only seem to matter when whites kill them.....it's a shakedown.

Blacks will kill their own in vast numbers and do nothing about it.

All lives matter.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jun 2020 12.43pm)

 


'I can't stand innuendo. If I see one in a script I whip it out immediately.' (Kenneth Williams)

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Originally posted by Mapletree

Where is that old Stalin statue? Must retrieve is from round the back of the cycle sheds.

Surely, they're everywhere in Mother Russia. Uncle Joe looking down on the people he loved, benevolent as ever.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Africa was poor and technologically primative before the Europeans turned up and when they turned up.....They turned up vastly more technologically advanced. Your arguments are again, focused upon Europeans, when the reality is that all nations and continents have suffered invasions and slavery.

Slavery was a moral crime, however the extent upon its affect for Africa's problems is nothing but a convenient lie......Africa still has it, that's how bothered it is.

Like the death of George Floyd.....Black lives only seem to matter when whites kill them.....it's a shakedown.

Blacks will kill their own in vast numbers and do nothing about it.

All lives matter.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jun 2020 12.43pm)

Wow. You really do live on a different planet

Africa and Europe were relatively equal in their development before the 15th century.

[Link]

It is the arms trade that really fed the expatriation of slaves. The Trans-Atlantic trade was the biggest but this is not just to do with the Europeans.

Between 1400 and 1900, the African continent experienced four simultaneous slave trades. The largest and most well-known is the trans-Atlantic slave trade where, beginning in the fifteenth century, slaves were shipped from West Africa, West-Central Africa, and Eastern Africa to the European colonies in the New World. The three other slave trades—the trans-Saharan, Red Sea, and Indian Ocean slave trades pre-dated the trans-Atlantic slave trade. During the trans-Saharan slave trade, slaves were taken from south of the Saharan desert to Northern Africa. In the Red Sea slave trade, slaves were taken from inland of the Red Sea and shipped to the Middle East and India. In the Indian Ocean slave trade, slaves were taken from Eastern Africa and shipped either to the Middle East and India
or to plantation islands in the Indian Ocean.

A number of characteristics of Africa’s slave trades make them distinct from previous slave trades. First, the total volume of slaves traded was unprecedented. During the trans-Atlantic slave trade alone, approximately 12 million slaves were exported from Africa. Another 6 million were exported in the other three slave trades. These figures do not include those who were killed during the raids or those who died on their journey to the coast.

The total effect of the slave trades, according to calculations by Patrick Manning was that by 1850 Africa’s population was only half of what it would have been had the slave trades not taken place.

 

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Originally posted by ASCPFC

Surely, they're everywhere in Mother Russia. Uncle Joe looking down on the people he loved, benevolent as ever.

In Moscow there is a park where all the old stature are kept most of the other major cities have an equivalent. They have become tourist attractions.

 


One more point

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Originally posted by Mapletree

Wow. You really do live on a different planet

Africa and Europe were relatively equal in their development before the 15th century.

[Link]

It is the arms trade that really fed the expatriation of slaves. The Trans-Atlantic trade was the biggest but this is not just to do with the Europeans.

Between 1400 and 1900, the African continent experienced four simultaneous slave trades. The largest and most well-known is the trans-Atlantic slave trade where, beginning in the fifteenth century, slaves were shipped from West Africa, West-Central Africa, and Eastern Africa to the European colonies in the New World. The three other slave trades—the trans-Saharan, Red Sea, and Indian Ocean slave trades pre-dated the trans-Atlantic slave trade. During the trans-Saharan slave trade, slaves were taken from south of the Saharan desert to Northern Africa. In the Red Sea slave trade, slaves were taken from inland of the Red Sea and shipped to the Middle East and India. In the Indian Ocean slave trade, slaves were taken from Eastern Africa and shipped either to the Middle East and India
or to plantation islands in the Indian Ocean.

A number of characteristics of Africa’s slave trades make them distinct from previous slave trades. First, the total volume of slaves traded was unprecedented. During the trans-Atlantic slave trade alone, approximately 12 million slaves were exported from Africa. Another 6 million were exported in the other three slave trades. These figures do not include those who were killed during the raids or those who died on their journey to the coast.

The total effect of the slave trades, according to calculations by Patrick Manning was that by 1850 Africa’s population was only half of what it would have been had the slave trades not taken place.

Oh look you plagiarized from this document without linking to it or stating it.

[Link]

Wow, how honest, I'm so surprised.

Let's hear your plausible deniability on that one.

Addressing the point taken from an attempt to blame Europeans for Africa's woes:

I find the claim 'Africa and Europe were relatively equal in their development before the 15th century' to be nothing but invented fantasy.

Lies.

Europeans were using the wheel all throughout Europe thousands of years ago. We had castles, thriving towns, canal systems, road systems, multiple advanced industries, high levels of engineering of all types and legal institutions.....Hell the Magna Carta was written in 1215! Europe had written documentation pasted down within regional institutions for thousands of years before we entered Africa in any numbers.

For much of central and southern Africa where is the evidence for this equality? Please provide evidence for this.

As for removal of slaves affecting economic development to an extent I'd agree. However, Europeans weren't in all of Africa and those countries they weren't in were still were still far less developed than Europe....Plus, Europeans during colonization introdured modern infrastructure and educational institutions previously non existent....and indeed, since they left Africa and the continent was left to its own rule....It's status, in relative terms, lowered both economically and in life expectancy.


Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jun 2020 1.35pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Oh look you plagiarized from this document without linking to it or stating it.

[Link]

Wow, how honest, I'm so surprised.

Let's hear your plausible deniability on that one.

Addressing the point taken from an attempt to blame Europeans for Africa's woes:

I find the claim 'Africa and Europe were relatively equal in their development before the 15th century' to be nothing but invented fantasy.

Lies.

Europeans were using the wheel all throughout Europe thousands of years ago. We had castles, thriving towns, canal systems and legal institutions.....Hell the Magna Carta was written in 1215! Europe had written documentation pasted down within regional institutions for thousands of years before we entered Africa in any numbers.

For much of central and southern Africa where is the evidence for this equality? Please provide evidence for this.

As for removal of slaves affecting economic development to an extent I'd agree. However, Europeans weren't in all of Africa and those countries they weren't in fared no better....Plus, Europeans during colonization introdured modern infrastructure and educational institutions previously non existent....and indeed, since they left Africa and the continent was left to its own rule....It's status, in relative terms, lowered both economically and in life expectancy.

WTF? Did you think it was from my Thesis?

I took it from the original source, not the one to which you link. Got a problem with it?

 

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