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 elgrande  bedford 01 Oct 17 3.07pm |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
More "kinder, gentler politics". [Tweet Link]
Just remember: The left disgusts me. Utterly. I want this conduct seen far and wide. Look at the contrast between the two conferences, and the behavior of those that take the opposing view. Animals. Come on gusset,are you not going to defend them,and say it's a minority.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Oct 17 3.11pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Come on gusset,are you not going to defend them,and say it's a minority. The feeling of anger against Tory party policies and their blatant disregard for ordinary people trying to scrape a living and afford a decent place to live is high. Perhaps these people are relatives of those that have died at the hands of Tory cuts. Perhaps some are doctors or nurses fed up with what is happening with the NHS.
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| elgrande bedford 01 Oct 17 3.16pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
The feeling of anger against Tory party policies and their blatant disregard for ordinary people trying to scrape a living and afford a decent place to live is high. Perhaps these people are relatives of those that have died at the hands of Tory cuts. Perhaps some are doctors or nurses fed up with what is happening with the NHS. Really prove it,so you are condoning violence then.(as long as it by momentum members).
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| Stirlingsays 01 Oct 17 3.20pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I never reply to abuse or report people I don't agree with either. ? What are you talking about?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Oct 17 3.24pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Really prove it,so you are condoning violence then.(as long as it by momentum members). It's a choir of middle aged ladies singing. Do you really think they mean what they're singing? f***ing hell, and they say the left are 'snowflakes'
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 01 Oct 17 3.31pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Anyone could write a manifesto of pipe dreams and desirable outcomes and then say....errr...the corporations will pay for it. In the reality, the next stop would be the IMF....and then you'd get another Thatcher figure and then people like you'd be ranting again. You get to a certain age and you spot the patterns. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Oct 2017 12.07pm) I don't necessarily disagree with you but think about what this says of our political system. Brexiteers' main argument, supposedly, is to win back national sovereignty. But in what way can we be sovereign? Already we have an unelected head of state, an unelected second legislative chamber, and then to compile the misery, when a major party proposes a manifesto which even slightly veers away from an austerity agenda, it is widely viewed as impossible to implement because of non-elected organisations like the ECB, IMF and World Bank. You either have to accept that we are living under tyranny or you have to fight for democracy. But the idea that we will have any more sense of sovereign empowerment because we leave the EU, I'm sorry to break it to you, is idealism divorced from reality.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 01 Oct 17 3.40pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
The feeling of anger against Tory party policies and their blatant disregard for ordinary people trying to scrape a living and afford a decent place to live is high. Perhaps these people are relatives of those that have died at the hands of Tory cuts. Perhaps some are doctors or nurses fed up with what is happening with the NHS. Absurd statement, even for you. What a strange world the inside of your head must be. Everything that is wrong is the fault of the wicked Tories. I expect the NHS would collapse without NHS workers who vote Tory.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 01 Oct 17 3.49pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
It's a choir of middle aged ladies singing. Do you really think they mean what they're singing? f***ing hell, and they say the left are 'snowflakes' That old excuse. A bit like when old people are 'racist'.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 01 Oct 17 3.50pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
The feeling of anger against Tory party policies and their blatant disregard for ordinary people trying to scrape a living and afford a decent place to live is high. Perhaps these people are relatives of those that have died at the hands of Tory cuts. Perhaps some are doctors or nurses fed up with what is happening with the NHS. What a load of bollocks.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Oct 17 3.57pm |
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Oh dear
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| Stirlingsays 01 Oct 17 3.58pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
I don't necessarily disagree with you but think about what this says of our political system. Brexiteers' main argument, supposedly, is to win back national sovereignty. But in what way can we be sovereign? Already we have an unelected head of state, an unelected second legislative chamber, and then to compile the misery, when a major party proposes a manifesto which even slightly veers away from an austerity agenda, it is widely viewed as impossible to implement because of non-elected organisations like the ECB, IMF and World Bank. You either have to accept that we are living under tyranny or you have to fight for democracy. But the idea that we will have any more sense of sovereign empowerment because we leave the EU, I'm sorry to break it to you, is idealism divorced from reality. This country borrows now.....it's national debt increases every day...we have just had our credit rating lowered and you produce a statement like, 'then to compile the misery, when a major party proposes a manifesto which even slightly veers away from an austerity agenda, it is widely viewed as impossible to implement because of non-elected organisations like the ECB, IMF and World Bank.' I think like the Labour front bench....you'd see the the wealth flow out of this country quicker than water out of your hot tap. As for your view on the EU. I put it to you that the use of the word tyranny to describe the British system is a misuse of the word tyranny. If you were to say, 'do we have the best system?'. Well, we would agree, though I'd imagine our points of difference on what a better system would be would differ. We have an unelected head of state with no political nor legislative power.....though they have privileges. We have an unelected second chamber, who have no ability to propose legislation......I would change some aspects but I wouldn't have an elected second chamber in a month of Sundays...terrible idea....The second chamber is far too political as it is. Our first chamber that proposes legislation is entirely elected. If you disagree, you have a tiny say in voting someone in or out. The EU's legislation proposing arm is unelected. For you to even talk about what is and isn't sovereign when you would have been happy to continue with this state of affairs makes your viewpoint moot to me. I think you should look at what the EU is doing in centralizing power....what it's doing supporting Spain's crackdown on democracy today and ask yourself if you actually truly care about these matters.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 01 Oct 17 4.19pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
This country borrows now.....it's national debt increases every day...we have just had our credit rating lowered and you produce a statement like, 'then to compile the misery, when a major party proposes a manifesto which even slightly veers away from an austerity agenda, it is widely viewed as impossible to implement because of non-elected organisations like the ECB, IMF and World Bank.' I think like the Labour front bench....you'd see the the wealth flow out of this country quicker than water out of your hot tap. As for your view on the EU. I put it to you that the use of the word tyranny to describe the British system is a misuse of the word tyranny. If you were to say, 'do we have the best system?'. Well, we would agree, though I'd imagine our points of difference on what a better system would be would differ. We have an unelected head of state with no political nor legislative power.....though they have privileges. We have an unelected second chamber, who have no ability to propose legislation......I would change some aspects but I wouldn't have an elected second chamber in a month of Sundays...terrible idea....The second chamber is far too political as it is. Our first chamber that proposes legislation is entirely elected. If you disagree, you have a tiny say in voting someone in or out. The EU's legislation proposing arm is unelected. For you to even talk about what is and isn't sovereign when you would have been happy to continue with this state of affairs makes your viewpoint moot to me. I think you should look at what the EU is doing in centralizing power....what it's doing supporting Spain's crackdown on democracy today and ask yourself if you actually truly care about these matters. I'm not pro-EU Stirling by any means. I'm just pointing out that arguing for sovereignty against the EU and refusing to see how un-democratic our political system is ridiculous. You say that the second chamber shouldn't be elected as it would make it more political. Well how can passing laws not be a political act? How could you have a non-political legislator, when the whole point of politics in a liberal democracy is to propose and enact laws? As for our national debt. Before 2008, it stood at around half a trillion. Already an eyewatering figure, but since then it's up to over £1.8 trillion. So what has our government been spending these loans on? Well it evidently isn't the public, as welfare, schools, hospitals and local authority has seen crippling, devastating cuts to their budgets. So where did the money go? Well, £500 billion went on our initial bailout of the banks, which now continue to receive government subsidies whilst paying little or no tax. Other private companies are also reaping in huge government subsidies, from rail to energy, despite their services often being shoddy at best. Whilst 99% of the country are experiencing the effects of austerity, of a shrinking of the public economy, the elites are being bankrolled despite causing one of the biggest economic crashes in modern times. The EU are one of the biggest culprits of this kind of cronyist reverse-Robin Hood policy, but our own government is more than happy to follow along.
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