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hedgehog50 Croydon 10 Oct 17 9.25pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I totally disagree with the first sentence of your second paragraph. There are statistics that show that the traditional model has better outcomes compared to any other known model. __________________________________ Source please. Tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of years of history. Edited by hedgehog50 (10 Oct 2017 9.49pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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hedgehog50

Croydon 10 Oct 17 9.25pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I totally disagree with the first sentence of your second paragraph. There are statistics that show that the traditional model has better outcomes compared to any other known model.
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Source please.

Tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of years of history.

Edited by hedgehog50 (10 Oct 2017 9.49pm)

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coulsdoneagle London 10 Oct 17 9.47pm
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Stirlingsays 10 Oct 17 10.47pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Source please. You can't be serious. I'm a school teacher. I been working with children for years. Once again, you ask me to go looking for the bleeding obvious. Children from one parent families commit more crimes and so on and so on. I've sat with many a family over the years discussing the reasons for their child's behaviour. Next you will be asking me to prove that more successful people come from wealthier family backgrounds. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Oct 2017 10.56pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Oct 17 10.47pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Source please.

You can't be serious.

I'm a school teacher. I been working with children for years. Once again, you ask me to go looking for the bleeding obvious.

Children from one parent families commit more crimes and so on and so on. I've sat with many a family over the years discussing the reasons for their child's behaviour.

Next you will be asking me to prove that more successful people come from wealthier family backgrounds.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Oct 2017 10.56pm)

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Mapletree Croydon 10 Oct 17 10.51pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You can't be serious. I'm a school teacher. I been working with children for years. Once again, you ask me to go looking for the bleeding obvious. Children from one parent families commit more crimes and so on and so on. Next you will be asking me to prove that more successful people come from wealthier family backgrounds. I am serious I used to be a teacher You said any other model not single parents. So give us some proof no other model works better Please include the Trobriand Islanders in your analysis and show your workings.
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Mapletree

Croydon 10 Oct 17 10.51pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You can't be serious.

I'm a school teacher. I been working with children for years. Once again, you ask me to go looking for the bleeding obvious.

Children from one parent families commit more crimes and so on and so on.

Next you will be asking me to prove that more successful people come from wealthier family backgrounds.

I am serious

I used to be a teacher

You said any other model not single parents. So give us some proof no other model works better

Please include the Trobriand Islanders in your analysis and show your workings.

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Stirlingsays 10 Oct 17 10.59pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I am serious I used to be a teacher You said any other model not single parents. So give us some proof no other model works better Please include the Trobriand Islanders in your analysis and show your workings. I don't believe you. You show me proof I'm wrong. I don't go around researching the obvious because you believe in your little cultural Marxist fantasies. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

10 Oct 17 10.59pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I am serious

I used to be a teacher

You said any other model not single parents. So give us some proof no other model works better

Please include the Trobriand Islanders in your analysis and show your workings.

I don't believe you.

You show me proof I'm wrong. I don't go around researching the obvious because you believe in your little cultural Marxist fantasies.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Mapletree Croydon 10 Oct 17 11.01pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I don't believe you. You show me proof I'm wrong. I don't go around researching the obvious because you believe in your little cultural Marxist fantasies. I don’t have to. You made the assertion. But you could try reading the link above from Coulsdon Eagle.
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Mapletree

Croydon 10 Oct 17 11.01pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't believe you.

You show me proof I'm wrong. I don't go around researching the obvious because you believe in your little cultural Marxist fantasies.

I don’t have to. You made the assertion. But you could try reading the link above from Coulsdon Eagle.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 10 Oct 17 11.01pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I don't believe you. You show me proof I'm wrong. I don't go around researching the obvious because you believe in your little cultural Marxist fantasies. Marxist is now a term of endearment in 2017 Stirling.
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nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 10 Oct 17 11.01pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't believe you.

You show me proof I'm wrong. I don't go around researching the obvious because you believe in your little cultural Marxist fantasies.

Marxist is now a term of endearment in 2017 Stirling.

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Mapletree Croydon 10 Oct 17 11.04pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I don't believe you. You show me proof I'm wrong. I don't go around researching the obvious because you believe in your little cultural Marxist fantasies. Actually your assertion was no other model works as well rather than no other model works better. So you have a mountain to climb to prove that.
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Mapletree

Croydon 10 Oct 17 11.04pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't believe you.

You show me proof I'm wrong. I don't go around researching the obvious because you believe in your little cultural Marxist fantasies.

Actually your assertion was no other model works as well rather than no other model works better. So you have a mountain to climb to prove that.

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Stirlingsays 10 Oct 17 11.10pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Actually your assertion was no other model works as well rather than no other model works better. So you have a mountain to climb to prove that. [Link] I don't believe any other model is as successful no. Good people, independent of circumstance, usually raise children well, given a reasonable environment and reasonable luck. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Oct 2017 11.12pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

10 Oct 17 11.10pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Actually your assertion was no other model works as well rather than no other model works better. So you have a mountain to climb to prove that.

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I don't believe any other model is as successful no.

Good people, independent of circumstance, usually raise children well, given a reasonable environment and reasonable luck.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Oct 2017 11.12pm)

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Mapletree Croydon 10 Oct 17 11.15pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays [Link] I don't believe any other model is as successful no. Good people, independent of circumstance, usually raise children well, given a reasonable environment and reasonable luck. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Oct 2017 11.12pm) Is this really the best you can do? Did you look at the 75 studies in Coulsdon’s link? See Simon Cheng’s rebuttal These studies included children who started in broken opposite sex relationship homes. Edited by Mapletree (10 Oct 2017 11.21pm)
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Mapletree

Croydon 10 Oct 17 11.15pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

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I don't believe any other model is as successful no.

Good people, independent of circumstance, usually raise children well, given a reasonable environment and reasonable luck.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Oct 2017 11.12pm)

Is this really the best you can do? Did you look at the 75 studies in Coulsdon’s link? See Simon Cheng’s rebuttal

These studies included children who started in broken opposite sex relationship homes.

Edited by Mapletree (10 Oct 2017 11.21pm)

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Mapletree Croydon 10 Oct 17 11.23pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Is this really the best you can do? Did you look at the 75 studies in Coulsdon’s link? See Simon Cheng’s rebuttal These studies included children who started in broken opposite sex relationship homes. By the way, what did Marx have to say about same sex parenting? I wasn’t aware I was following his approach until helpfully you pointed that out to me.
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Stirlingsays 10 Oct 17 11.25pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Is this really the best you can do? Did you look at the 75 studies in Coulsdon’s link? Did you see who funded one of the two studies in your link? Yeah guess what....most studies don't focus upon the bleeding obvious. You asked me to back an assertion and rather predictably when I do it I get this.....Stop asking me for sources....You go do the work next time....Teacher my foot...much too lazy. Many studies are done for agendas...You can find studies backing different sides on many subjective questions like this..lots of lefty research groups out there ..all about how your frame what you are looking for...I don't even know if what I found is accurate....I don't know if Coulsdon's are either and neither do you. The traditional model works...I can say that from primary sources...But it's about the people involved and what resources they have access to... that's what is more important. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Oct 2017 11.33pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Oct 17 11.25pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Is this really the best you can do? Did you look at the 75 studies in Coulsdon’s link? Did you see who funded one of the two studies in your link?

Yeah guess what....most studies don't focus upon the bleeding obvious. You asked me to back an assertion and rather predictably when I do it I get this.....Stop asking me for sources....You go do the work next time....Teacher my foot...much too lazy.

Many studies are done for agendas...You can find studies backing different sides on many subjective questions like this..lots of lefty research groups out there ..all about how your frame what you are looking for...I don't even know if what I found is accurate....I don't know if Coulsdon's are either and neither do you.

The traditional model works...I can say that from primary sources...But it's about the people involved and what resources they have access to... that's what is more important.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Oct 2017 11.33pm)

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