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 The Dolphin  29 Oct 17 6.56pm |
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With WH in goal we had 3 points in 12 games ifyou inlude the back end of last season.
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chateauferret  29 Oct 17 7.21pm |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
With WH in goal we had 3 points in 12 games ifyou inlude the back end of last season. No other variables involved in that, of course.
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| cpj Kent 29 Oct 17 8.12pm |
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Originally posted by Brentmiester_General
So he let in the same amount of goals as Hart. What’s your point? You are saying that all that matters is whether we get points - and I'd agree to that. My point was that perhaps Speroni should have saved their first goal yesterday in which case we might have got 3 points rather than 1. He has let in 4 goals in his 3 games and should have done better with at least 3 of them (we would have had a point last week if he'd been more capable). You have spent years blaming Hennessey for every goal we concede yet with Speroni there is no such recrimination. Odd.
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| The Dolphin 29 Oct 17 8.50pm |
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Of course not Edited by The Dolphin (29 Oct 2017 8.51pm)
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| MKCPFC Spain/MK 30 Oct 17 12.58am |
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Originally posted by Brentmiester_General
There’s more o a goal keepers game than just being a shot stopper though. A point that a few have made on here but you seem to ignore. Sad thing is BG is that Speroni has always been just a shot stopper and he is not doing it now . Now I will ask some questions which I know you will not answer because you never answer direct questions . Remember if you do answer you have to apply the same rules you when apportioning blame to Hennessey . 1 . Would you have blamed Hennessey for the goal we conceded against Chelsea ? 2. Would you have blamed Hennessey for the goal conceded against Newcastle ? 3. Would you have blamed Hennessey for the first goal yesterday ? 4. Has Speroni really done anything to warrant his place in the team since he has been recalled ? Try not to use lifting the crowd or any speculative stuff like that , and try not to pretend that the improvement in our form is solely down to Speroni , when it is pretty clear it is down to the improvement by Roy and Ray since they took over from the hapless dutchman.
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| chateauferret 30 Oct 17 2.01am |
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Originally posted by MKCPFC
Sad thing is BG is that Speroni has always been just a shot stopper and he is not doing it now . Now I will ask some questions which I know you will not answer because you never answer direct questions . Remember if you do answer you have to apply the same rules you when apportioning blame to Hennessey . 1 . Would you have blamed Hennessey for the goal we conceded against Chelsea ? 2. Would you have blamed Hennessey for the goal conceded against Newcastle ? 3. Would you have blamed Hennessey for the first goal yesterday ? 4. Has Speroni really done anything to warrant his place in the team since he has been recalled ? Try not to use lifting the crowd or any speculative stuff like that , and try not to pretend that the improvement in our form is solely down to Speroni , when it is pretty clear it is down to the improvement by Roy and Ray since they took over from the hapless dutchman. On question 4 Speroni started the attack which led to the equaliser. I expect Hennessey would have booted the ball upfield and tried to bounce it off Sako towards the box, which doesn't usually work. People have questioned Speroni's distribution but on that occasion it was exactly what the doctor ordered. Edited by chateauferret (30 Oct 2017 2.02am)
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| Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 30 Oct 17 2.51pm |
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Originally posted by MKCPFC
Sad thing is BG is that Speroni has always been just a shot stopper and he is not doing it now . Now I will ask some questions which I know you will not answer because you never answer direct questions . Remember if you do answer you have to apply the same rules you when apportioning blame to Hennessey . 1 . Would you have blamed Hennessey for the goal we conceded against Chelsea ? 2. Would you have blamed Hennessey for the goal conceded against Newcastle ? 3. Would you have blamed Hennessey for the first goal yesterday ? 4. Has Speroni really done anything to warrant his place in the team since he has been recalled ? Try not to use lifting the crowd or any speculative stuff like that , and try not to pretend that the improvement in our form is solely down to Speroni , when it is pretty clear it is down to the improvement by Roy and Ray since they took over from the hapless dutchman. Depends on how much Wayne moved for the goals in the hypothetical situation you speak of. A lot of the time he doesn’t move at all as the ball flies past him. That’s often on top of him doing or not doing all of the other things that myself and many have picked him up on. Anyway, I’m only answering this out of respect to you MKCPFC. I’m happy not to continue on this thread for the time being, as I’m allot more satisfied with things as they are right now.
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| MKCPFC Spain/MK 30 Oct 17 2.58pm |
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Originally posted by Brentmiester_General
Depends on how much Wayne moved for the goals in the hypothetical situation you speak of. A lot of the time he doesn’t move at all as the ball flies past him. That’s often on top of him doing or not doing all of the other things that myself and many have picked him up on. Anyway, I’m only answering this out of respect to you MKCPFC. I’m happy not to continue on this thread for the time being, as I’m allot more satisfied with things as they are right now. Fair do's , I shall stay off too.
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BarEagle  Monmouth 30 Oct 17 3.11pm |
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It's so nice to see a much loved determined legend and custodian of our goal back on the pitch. He is a great, great man and s fine goalkeeper. However... He has not done anything special since his return and save for the distribution for the equaliser had been average, at best. Hope he improves as I have no doubt WH will know he is probably at last chance saloon in his head.
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| Shifty97 Croydon 30 Oct 17 3.45pm |
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Originally posted by cpj
Hart made 7 saves from 9 shots on target; Speroni made no saves from 2 on target. You're happy with that? If WH had been in goal would you still have been happy? You say that it is not fair that Wayne get criticised for every goal we concede but it looks like you're doing the exact same thing with Speroni
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| Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 30 Oct 17 4.15pm |
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I think that WH is marginally the better goalie but JS has a bit more about him as a character. I always just feel like WH is a bit mopey, ready to sulk, and not a big talker. His body language is very meh. That said, neither would be in goal for Palace in my ideal world. We'd sign somebody from the third tier who was outrageously rated at £20m and it would turn out he was extraordinarily brilliant.
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| cpj Kent 31 Oct 17 9.01am |
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Originally posted by Shifty97
You say that it is not fair that Wayne get criticised for every goal we concede but it looks like you're doing the exact same thing with Speroni Just to reply to you - that is the whole point. Hennessey was vilified on here for virtually every goal we conceded, even when £80m strikers were left unmarked 5 yards from goal. There's a 200+ page thread on him alone plus all the individual matchday thread digs. I'm just giving a bit of stick back now that everyone's favourite is back in goal. The only difference is that I'm being more reasonable (I didn't blame JS for the second goal on Saturday ). I just want some balance on here - e.g. goals conceded are never Speroni's fault - it's always an unstoppable shot/header, or a defender was in the way or whatever - yet that latitude was never extended to WH on here, at least not by some people who had an agenda to stick to. Anyway, surely we all want Palace to win, regardless of whether players you prefer are in the team or not. Despite claims to the contrary, I don't think WH is a great keeper, just average, and I don't believe JS is up to it anymore either. Reaction shot-stopping was always his speciality and he seems to have lost that. I just despair at the bullying of some people towards WH. Let's hope we can sign an improvement in January that we can all get behind.
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