The President of the United States is also the Commander in Chief of its military forces. It's an official military title because - as a country - we prefer to have civilian leadership of the military. This is so that elected officials are responsible for the actions of the military.

Obama is a cautious man, you can tell this from his often infuriating speech patterns as he pauses in search of the exact right phrasing. It is natural that he would be this way in decision-making over the use in action of armed forces; lives are at stake. I have no doubt that it frustrated military commanders, but it is set up this way on purpose, not by accident.

Obama was chosen by the country to be President and therefore run the military. That's who we wanted in charge. Now it's Trump. That's how democracy works.

As to whether Obama or Trump deserves credit, as I said in my original post, the generals and the troops deserve the credit. Bush gave up (very quickly) looking for bin Laden, but he was found anyway and Obama gave the order to have him taken out. It was the intelligence services and the Seals that got him, but Obama "pulled the trigger" on the mission.

ISIS was already in full retreat under Obama's leadership. They were already mostly out of Mosul and Raqqa was already next on the docket as their last stronghold. You can think what you like, but facts are facts.

Edited by Ray in Houston (24 Oct 2017 5.36pm)

You have called me things equally as bad, so don't play the innocent.
You can dish it out but you can't take it. That's what it boils down to.

Ray is right on this thread, major deflection from you onto circumcision just because that's where you think your most heavy hitting morally argument is.

You encourage people to look back at threads and let them judge. Not a wise move, as you don't half make a doughnut of yerself at times, but you can't see it.

I most activity encourage people to take a look at that discussion on male circumcision and see who said what about it.

Snopes cites their sources, including a statement by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (to which they link directly).

Please go ahead and post your evidence to the contrary.

You might think it immoral, doesn't mean that everyone else agrees with you.

Apart from Bin Laden's death happening on his watch, bringing the thousands of troops from Iraq and Afghanistan was the best thing achieved by Obama. I don't think there was anything else!

Many people believe his strategy for fighting ISIS was one of containment, not obliteration. This has now pretty much happened.

Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Oct 2017 11.39pm)